Why does the EU allow the Running of the Bulls?

Hitchens · 12-07-2013 02:28PM #1

This happened during this morning's run!

Hare coursing greyhounds must have muzzles in Ireland, but in Spain bulls don't have horns cut.............why?

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 12-07-2013 02:29PM

We should do that here, but use selected politicans and ex bankers to run in front of the bulls!

SEPT 23 1989 · 12-07-2013 02:31PM

I would like to release a bull on the boardwalk

**Vai** · 12-07-2013 02:33PM

Hitchens wrote: »

Hare coursing greyhounds must have muzzles in Ireland, but in Spain bulls don't have horns cut.............why?

Hares don't have a choice in the matter, we do.

wretcheddomain · 12-07-2013 02:34PM

We do have a running of the bulls, it happens everyday when the TD's leave the Dáil after already inflicting some damage to innocent civilians.

Hitchens · 12-07-2013 02:36PM

**Vai** wrote: »

Hares don't have a choice in the matter, we do.

that's a fair point

MickFleetwood · 12-07-2013 02:39PM

They're adults making a conscious decision, well aware of the possible dangers of participating. It's a part of their culture, they should be allowed to do it.

mikom · 12-07-2013 02:40PM

MickFleetwood wrote: »

They're adults making a conscious decision, well aware of the possible dangers of participating. It's a part of their culture, they should be allowed to do it.

Turf.

Mr Freeze · 12-07-2013 02:43PM

Old and grey wrote: »

We should do that here, but use selected politicans and ex bankers to run in front of the bulls!

In a high walled cul de sac.

Hitchens · 12-07-2013 02:43PM

MickFleetwood wrote: »

They're adults making a conscious decision, well aware of the possible dangers of participating. It's a part of their culture, they should be allowed to do it.

Just wondering about the health and safety aspect, cruelty to the animals, how does the insurance liability work, etc?

For Forks Sake · 12-07-2013 02:44PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

We do have a running of the bulls, it happens everyday when the TD's leave the Dáil after already inflicting some damage to innocent civilians.

Ugh. Every thread. Get some new material.

**Vai** · 12-07-2013 02:45PM

MickFleetwood wrote: »

They're adults making a conscious decision, well aware of the possible dangers of participating. It's a part of their culture, they should be allowed to do it.

Exactly. The Spanish have a knack for "crazy" cultural traditions. People get hurt running with the bulls and my favourite, the human pyramid, which also hurts many people each year.

http://youtu.be/BS674X9phH8

FatherLen · 12-07-2013 02:48PM

leaving out the animal cruelty aspect, if they were to ban that then they would have to ban the other things that are far more dangerous.
the isle of man tt is first to come to mind.

And nobody wants to see the tt banned.

Hitchens · 12-07-2013 02:54PM

FatherLen wrote: »

leaving out the animal cruelty aspect, if they were to ban that then they would have to ban the other things that are far more dangerous.
the isle of man tt is first to come to mind.

And nobody wants to see the tt banned.

but the TT riders are experts on their bikes.............any (drunk) idiot can run with the bulls

FatherLen · 12-07-2013 02:55PM

Hitchens wrote: »

but the TT riders are experts on their bikes.............any (drunk) idiot can run with the bulls

I am talking more about the aspect of danger in both events.

Experts or not, the TT is still the most dangerous racing event on the planet.

Conmaicne Mara · 12-07-2013 02:55PM

They shouldn't ban it, if I hadn't fúcked up my knee I'd have liked to do it. The Spanish, not telling them their business, should also tell the EU to fúck off if they do attempt to ban it. The EU is often subverted by interest groups.

Ush1 · 12-07-2013 02:58PM

Should ban bull fighting.

BillJ · 12-07-2013 03:05PM

Anyone that gets gored deserves it, it's a f**king barbaric event. Tradition or no tradition I think it should be banned, for the bulls welfare not humans.

juice1304 · 12-07-2013 03:09PM

Serves him right. Play with fire and your gonna get burned.
Animal cruelty for entertainment is simply wrong. And the fools saying it's their culture etc.. Well in some parts of the world it is their "culture" to punish women who are raped etc..., dose it negate the fact it is wrong because it is their culture? No it doesn't wrong is wrong.

floggg · 12-07-2013 03:09PM

The bull was a bit of a perv, no? Taking off the poor chaps trousers like that!

**Vai** · 12-07-2013 03:16PM

Ush1 wrote: »

Should ban bull fighting.

Different thing entirely to be fair.

BillJ wrote: »

Anyone that gets gored deserves it, it's a f**king barbaric event. Tradition or no tradition I think it should be banned, for the bulls welfare not humans.

The bulls run through a street...I dont get the outraged animal cruelty aspect here. Also, the hope that people will get gored in the same post is a little out of whack if you really are outraged about cruelty.

juice1304 wrote: »

And the fools saying it's their culture etc.. Well in some parts of the world it is their "culture" to punish women who are raped etc..., dose it negate the fact it is wrong because it is their culture? No it doesn't wrong is wrong.

Buh?

BillJ · 12-07-2013 03:19PM

**Vai** wrote: »

The bulls run through a street...I dont get the outraged animal cruelty aspect here. Also, the hope that people will get gored in the same post is a little out of whack if you really are outraged.

Incase you didn't know these bulls run through the streets and straight into the arena where a bull fighting tournament takes places, they are all then brutally killed for the enjoyment of thousands of people watching and cheering.

Don't think it's out of whack at all to be honest, i think anyone supporting such a 'sport' deserves it.

Never said I hoped it would happen, just that I don't feel sorry for them.

Seaneh · 12-07-2013 03:21PM

Hitchens wrote: »

but the TT riders are experts on their bikes.............any (drunk) idiot can run with the bulls

You've obviously never been to san fermin. There are thousands of police in the city clearing the course every morning and making sure nobody who is intoxicated, too young, too small or with video cameras us on the course.

1ZRed · 12-07-2013 03:21PM

Don't care if they get hurt, they're only people and they choose to do it, it'd say differently if there were animals thrown in front of the bull just for "sport" because that's completely cruel.

People who choose to do it though? Couldn't give a f*ck about them.

**Vai** · 12-07-2013 03:24PM

BillJ wrote: »

Incase you didn't know these bulls run through the streets and straight into the arena where a bull fighting tournament takes places, they are all then brutally killed for the enjoyment of thousands of people watching and cheering.

Don't think it's out of whack at all to be honest, i think anyone supporting such a 'sport' deserves it.

I did not know that part. Always thought it was a nice run out for them! Ah well, consider that they will be murdered anyway, as livestock.

Ush1 · 12-07-2013 03:26PM

**Vai** wrote: »

I did not know that part. Always thought it was a nice run out for them! Ah well, consider that they will be murdered anyway, as livestock.

Killing something humanely to eat is not the same as torturing it to death for amusement.

johnayo · 12-07-2013 03:27PM

This is bullsh1t.:p

twinytwo · 12-07-2013 03:28PM

Hitchens wrote: »

This happened during this morning's run!

Hare coursing greyhounds must have muzzles in Ireland, but in Spain bulls don't have horns cut.............why?

we have a choice to go out in front of a bull, a hare has little choice against getting put in front of the greyhounds....

**Vai** · 12-07-2013 03:28PM

Ush1 wrote: »

Killing something humanely to eat is not the same as torturing it to death for amusement.

I didn't say it was the same, just that it will happen.

1ZRed · 12-07-2013 03:28PM

**Vai** wrote: »

I did not know that part. Always thought it was a nice run out for them! Ah well, consider that they will be murdered anyway, as livestock.

There are animal protection laws in place to kill livestock as painlessly and humanly as possible. I'd hardly think driving dozens of swords through the bull until it eventually dies in complete agony is comparable to them being "murdered anyway as livestock" because the way they die couldn't be more different.

Ush1 · 12-07-2013 03:29PM

**Vai** wrote: »

I didn't say it was the same, just that it will happen.

What will happen? It will die? You're gonna die at some stage as well, should we torture you?

Seaneh · 12-07-2013 03:30PM

BillJ wrote: »

Incase you didn't know these bulls run through the streets and straight into the arena where a bull fighting tournament takes places, they are all then brutally killed for the enjoyment of thousands of people watching and cheering.

Don't think it's out of whack at all to be honest, i think anyone supporting such a 'sport' deserves it.

Never said I hoped it would happen, just that I don't feel sorry for them.

The bull fights happen several hours after the run (the run is 8am, the fights start after 6pm). The vast major of people in the city for san fermin don't attend the fights or even go to the stadium at all.

The bulls run a mile and s bit from a pen, through the streets and into the stadium into another pen and then let out one by one for 3-5 mind each to run around for a bit while there are a hundred or so people in the ring trying not to get in the way.

If bullfighting was banned in the morning people would go to san fermin in their hundreds of thousands every year just fir the fiesta.

Best festival in the world.

ted1 · 12-07-2013 03:31PM

I have friends from there and they explained what happens.

Basically the Locals take it serious and go to bed early, the tourists stay out late drinkign in the bars and are genreally hung over or drunk durin the bull running and its only the tourists that get hurt.

the locals would prefer if the tourists didn't go.

1ZRed · 12-07-2013 03:31PM

**Vai** wrote: »

I didn't say it was the same, just that it will happen.

That doesn't justify it. That's like me going out and torturing an animal every single day of it's life just for my own amusement because it's going to die eventually anyway, so I shouldn't worry about it.

It's a terrible justification for what they do. Hiding behind tradition is a complete cop out.

**Vai** · 12-07-2013 03:31PM

Oh please, they get a bolt in the forehead which does not always work. Its hardly a walk in the park either way. Least they get a run at some humans first in Pamplona.

Lapin · 12-07-2013 03:32PM

Fúck it I'd love to do the bull run.

Next year definitely.

I wonder do you just turn up and go for it, or do you have to apply in advance ?

Hitchens · 12-07-2013 03:33PM

Seaneh wrote: »

You've obviously never been to san fermin. There are thousands of police in the city clearing the course every morning and making sure nobody who is intoxicated, too young, too small or with video cameras us on the course.

An American, 20, was gored in the stomach - he is in a serious condition.

A 42-year-old Spaniard was left with arm injuries.

Most bloody attack was 31-year-old twice in the groin and once in the leg.

Another three people, including a 48-year-old American, injured in run.

A couple of fairly old geezers in the injured list

BillJ · 12-07-2013 03:35PM

Seaneh wrote: »

The bull fights happen several hours after the run (the run is 8am, the fights start after 6pm). The vast major of people in the city for san fermin don't attend the fights or even go to the stadium at all.

The bulls run a mile and s bit from a pen, through the streets and into the stadium into another pen and then let out one by one for 3-5 mind each to run around for a bit while there are a hundred or so people in the ring trying not to get in the way.

If bullfighting was banned in the morning people would go to san fermin in their hundreds of thousands every year just fir the fiesta.

Best festival in the world.

It may be a few hours after the run but supporting the run is still supporting the fighting element to it.

I don't disagree that people would still go if it was banned, infact that's even better! Ban the bull fighting and still have a great festival, win win. I've several friends who have been and said it was a brilliant festival.

**Vai** · 12-07-2013 03:36PM

1ZRed wrote: »

That doesn't justify it. That's like me going out and torturing an animal every single day of it's life just for my own amusement because it's going to die eventually anyway, so I shouldn't worry about it.

Im not trying to justify it.

Your metaphor doesn't really work. Little too dramatic.

Seaneh · 12-07-2013 03:38PM

Lapin wrote: »

Fúck it I'd love to do the bull run.

Next year definitely.

I wonder do you just turn up and go for it, or do you have to apply in advance ?

Book your hotel/hostel well in advance (like January) and get to the town hall at around 8am when the close off the streets and allow people to enter the course from the one opening. Gate closes at 8am. Anyone in the streets before the the streets are closed is forced off the course by the cops.

About 10 minutes before the bulls are released people are allowed to move along the course to the part they want to run (you can't run the whole course, its impossible).

1ZRed · 12-07-2013 03:40PM

Lapin wrote: »

Fúck it I'd love to do the bull run.

Next year definitely.

I wonder do you just turn up and go for it, or do you have to apply in advance ?

See I'd love to do it too, and if I got hurt it'd be me my own damn fault, but I wouldn't have much interest in watching it die.

1ZRed · 12-07-2013 03:43PM

**Vai** wrote: »

Im not trying to justify it.

Your metaphor doesn't really work. Little too dramatic.

Same thing. You obviously don't see the difference in how both types of animals are killed, you just see it as means to an end.

Seaneh · 12-07-2013 03:43PM

1ZRed wrote: »

See I'd love to do it too, and if I got hurt it'd be me my own damn fault, but I wouldn't have much interest in watching it die.

This.

I have no interest in the bullfighting, I wouldn't care I'd it was banned. I didn't go to the stadium even though I was offered free tickets.

But doing the run was one of the best memories of my life. I'm definitely going back next year. I was there 5 summers ago.

**Vai** · 12-07-2013 03:46PM

1ZRed wrote: »

Same thing. You obviously don't see the difference in how both types of animals are killed, you just see it as means to an end.

Course I see the difference, I look at things as they are and try extract some amount of positivity. I just dislike this whole ban-everything kick that people are on. I agree with you in that I would have no interest in the fighting part of the event but the bull run would be great.

1ZRed · 12-07-2013 03:49PM

Seaneh wrote: »

This.

I have no interest in the bullfighting, I wouldn't care I'd it was banned. I didn't go to the stadium even though I was offered free tickets.

But doing the run was one of the best memories of my life. I'm definitely going back next year. I was there 5 summers ago.

I'd agree, I've always had an interest in doing it, it'd be a massive thrill! If the bull got he's day out on the town mauling everyone and got to go back to his pen again I'd see nothing wrong with it. I really dislike the bullfighting though and would prefer it banned.

Potatoeman · 12-07-2013 04:03PM

Ush1 wrote: »

Killing something humanely to eat is not the same as torturing it to death for amusement.

The bull has more chance surviving a bullfight than an abattoir.

I remember when the antifur campaign destroyed the mink trade in the UK. The farmers killed all the mink as they could no longer make money from them. I believe that the breed is now on the endangered species list.

DellyBelly · 12-07-2013 04:06PM

We should do this in the dail. Let the bulls run around after the tds...ha ha ha ha

Ush1 · 12-07-2013 04:07PM

Potatoeman wrote: »

The bull has more chance surviving a bullfight than an abattoir.

I remember when the antifur campaign destroyed the mink trade in the UK. The farmers killed all the mink as they could no longer make money from them. I believe that the breed is now on the endangered species list.

The bull has no chance of surviving the bull fight. In fact, calling it a bull "fight" is a bit of a joke as it implies a competitive element.

The clue is the name of the bulls opponent, el matador.

BillJ · 12-07-2013 04:10PM

Potatoeman wrote: »

The bull has more chance surviving a bullfight than an abattoir.

I remember when the antifur campaign destroyed the mink trade in the UK. The farmers killed all the mink as they could no longer make money from them. I believe that the breed is now on the endangered species list.

Fair enough the numbers have dropped since the mink fur trade finished but having healthy mink numbers but still having them in cages ready to be killed for fur doesn't seem much better than the situation now.

And I don't think the bull population would suffer in the same way if the bull fighting industry was banned :P

DEFTLEFTHAND · 12-07-2013 04:11PM

That was kinda funny. Big fcuking eejit.

Radharc na Sleibhte · 12-07-2013 04:14PM

Seaneh wrote: »

you can't run the whole course, its impossible).

Challenge accepted

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