Geordie bouncer bodyslams man, caught on camera

bumper234 · 14-10-2013 01:29PM

Dempsey wrote: »

He should have called the cops, not slammed him head first into the pavement

Have you ever been attacked? How did you find the time to call the police in the middle of it?

Crooked Jack · 14-10-2013 01:30PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Have you ever been attacked? How did you find the time to call the police in the middle of it?

I suppose his bouncer buddy who was enjoying the show could have helped him restrain the tool.

Oranage2 · 14-10-2013 01:32PM

Well he had time to do it just before he ran out and started kicking the guy, I find it worrying that you're a bouncer and you don't see what's wrong.

bumper234 · 14-10-2013 01:33PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

I suppose his bouncer buddy who was enjoying the show could have helped him restrain the tool.

Exactly what i said i blame the guy watching more than the bouncer fighting. What he did was overboard but at that stage we don't know how many times this guy had already attacked him and he may at this stage be thinking h has to do something drastic to stop this guy.

Tombi! · 14-10-2013 01:33PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

This is not a general statement on all bouncers, but thus far in my life I have never met a bouncer who wasn't a complete and utter arsehole. Perhaps I have just been unlucky.

Depends on where you go.
I know that sounds a bit of common sense but in places there are known to be rough you won't really get the nicest bouncers.

Some of the places I've gone to had bouncers come over and give a quick "lads, you're getting a bit rowdy, mind calming it down a bit?" as opposed to in some other places were the quick thing is "oi you, get out you're not staying here">

bumper234 · 14-10-2013 01:36PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Well he had time to do it just before he ran out and started kicking the guy, I find it worrying that you're a bouncer and you don't see what's wrong.

Really? You know this how? At the start of the video the guy is walking towards the doorman so please tell me how he has time to call 999 and explain how he is being attacked? If someone is approaching you (someone who has already attacked you) would you wait for him to corner you in the door and start punching you before you defend yourself or would you come out on the offensive?

Tombi! · 14-10-2013 01:37PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Really? You know this how? At the start of the video the guy is walking towards the doorman so please tell me how he has time to call 999 and explain how he is being attacked? If someone is approaching you (someone who has already attacked you) would you wait for him to corner you in the door and start punching you before you defend yourself or would you come out on the offensive?

You're getting ahead of yourself.
The video didn't show the fella being attacked.

Sorry mate, I misread the article. Someone pointed out the bouncer was attacked first.

FTA69 · 14-10-2013 01:37PM

Duck Soup wrote: »

Barrow's friends and associates say the incident was out of character and that he was attacked repeatedly by the man he briefly left unconscious on the floor.

I'd have a bit of sympathy if that's the case; people can only be pushed so far and doorstaff shouldn't be expected to put up with repeated attacks any more than anyone else should have to.

bumper234 · 14-10-2013 01:39PM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

You're getting ahead of yourself.
The video didn't show the fella being attacked.

The reports are that he had been attacked several times previously by the guy

Barrow's friends and associates say the incident was out of character and that he was attacked repeatedly by the man he briefly left unconscious on the floor.

Tombi! · 14-10-2013 01:39PM

bumper234 wrote: »

The reports are that he had been attacked several times previously by the guy

Yup, I know. I misread. I corrected it above.

sdanseo · 14-10-2013 01:44PM

I have no sympathy at all for the drunken twat, but it looks like the bouncer got stuck in before he needed to, and overreacted. Bear in mind we don't know what happened before that clip starts though.

Crooked Jack · 14-10-2013 01:45PM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Depends on where you go.
I know that sounds a bit of common sense but in places there are known to be rough you won't really get the nicest bouncers.

Some of the places I've gone to had bouncers come over and give a quick "lads, you're getting a bit rowdy, mind calming it down a bit?" as opposed to in some other places were the quick thing is "oi you, get out you're not staying here">

Id say a lot of situations in clubs and pubs could be nipped in the bud if more bouncers acted like this first.

Oranage2 · 14-10-2013 01:46PM

Liveleaks and what the bouncer friends say is now a report?

I'm just commenting on what I saw

the_syco · 14-10-2013 01:47PM

In the clip, a young man in a blue shirt is seen to approach the doorman, who is stood by the Newgate Street entrance to Idols.

The young man lifts his hands and walks towards the doorman before someone is heard to say: "Come on, clever c***," and the doorman kicks out at the man's leading foot.

The man in a blue shirt swings a big right handed punch which appears to hit the doorman on the top of his head, before the pair close and grapple.

Was he expecting free drinks? I also wonder why he hasn't pressed charges against the bouncer.

MarkR · 14-10-2013 01:49PM

Bouncer stepped over the line. You'd get banned from Rugby for pulling that move. Went from security to thug. We keep hearing of people being paralysed or killed on nights out from a single punch, or landing badly. That guy belongs in prison, not standing outside a pub.

ronan45 · 14-10-2013 02:03PM

A stone cold Stunner would of been better :mad:

arybvtcw0eolkf · 14-10-2013 02:07PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Martial Arts have always been rooted in philosophy and self-discipline, and the combat element is about self defence. The word "Judo" itself means "gentle way".

LOL, I love it when thats trotted out!.. My background is judo, its anything but gentle!.

Ways to win a Judo fight, I can throw you with force to the ground, resulting in injury/incapacity to fight, unconsciousness or even death ~ I can strangle or choke you unconscious, or I can jointlock and brake your elbow, arm, shoulder or I can pin you to the ground, whilst doing this I can smoother the life from you.

Still sounding gentle?.

The disciplined part of my training means I show up on time, I'm clean and my gear is clean, I bow onto and off the mat/training area and I have respect for those I'm training with.. I reserve this for my training partners/club ~ attack me when I'm on the street and the deal if off, I'll use everything in my training to defend myself & beat you up and there'll be nothing gentle about it either.

Considering the punter in the clip is struggling and thrashing around trying to hit the bouncer I think the bouncer done remarkably well in dealing with the situation.

Dublinstiofán · 14-10-2013 02:12PM

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

Considering the punter in the clip is struggling and thrashing around trying to hit the bouncer I think the bouncer done remarkably well in dealing with the situation.

I pretty much think exactly the same thing. If your gonna be an ass, prepare for an ass whooping! Maybe a little bit excessive but it did the trick.

FTA69 · 14-10-2013 02:12PM

MarkR wrote: »

You'd get banned from Rugby for pulling that move.

With all respect, that doesn't mean anything. Rugby's a good-natured ball game, it's a far cry from a fight when someone's trying to punch your head in. If the bouncer was attacked repeatedly by this bell-end who just wasn't going to go away then I can have a degree of sympathy for him having been in that situation many times myself.

However, a better course of action would have been for the two lads to drag him to the floor and restrain him.

ghogie91 · 14-10-2013 02:13PM

Just watched it again, man neih need for that like

Poor young lad is in an absolute ball on the ground and not a sinner going near him, like fair enough a few fisty cuffs is sometimes a bit amusing but thats just wrong

bumper234 · 14-10-2013 02:14PM

ghogie91 wrote: »

Just watched it again, man neih need for that like

Poor young lad is in an absolute ball on the ground and not a sinner going near him, like fair enough a few fisty cuffs is sometimes a bit amusing but thats just wrong

What would you have typed if the situation in the video had been different, what if at the beginning of that video the guy panned the doorman and he was knocked out cold because he didn't defend himself? Would you be saying the poor bouncer?

chopper6 · 14-10-2013 02:16PM

MarkR wrote: »

Bouncer stepped over the line. You'd get banned from Rugby for pulling that move. .

Rugby is a game with rules and uniforms...fighting in the street most certainly isnt.

MarkR wrote: »

Went from security to thug.

What was he suppsed to do? the guy had physically attacked him...he had no idea if the bloke was carrying a weapon,was amped up on drugs or what...if you're attacked in that situation you end it by any means possible as quick as possible.

As for the bloke who got supplexed...a great way to avoid trouble with bouncers is not to start trouble with bouncers...thats the problem with mouthy,drink-filled hardmen...they think they can throw a few slaps and the bouncer will turn tail and flee.

Leaving aside the physical size and training of most doormen they also know if they *do* bottle it he's gonna be a target for every lowlife for miles and he will be forever known as a bottler who'll never work a door again.

Dublinpato · 14-10-2013 02:26PM

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

I can throw you with force to the ground, resulting in injury/incapacity to fight, unconsciousness or even death ~ I can strangle or choke you unconscious, or I can jointlock and brake your elbow, arm, shoulder or I can pin you to the ground, whilst doing this I can smoother the life from you.

yeah ok kung fu panda keep your jox on

Tombi! · 14-10-2013 02:29PM

Dublinpato wrote: »

yeah ok kung fu panda keep your jox on

He has a point, though.
What you see in Judo matches is nothing to what you can do.

Even something like Shotokan karate is considered "hard" VS something like Judo where there's less strikes, etc in matches.
But both styles could f**k you up very fast.

bumper234 · 14-10-2013 02:32PM

The problem we have here is pretty simple.

For the most part the people who are saying the doorman shouldn't have done that have never been in that situation (some probably never even in a fight) before and therefore cannot understand the doorman's actions.

josip · 14-10-2013 02:38PM

Read 6 pages of the thread, then I thought I should watch the video.
Oh, jaysus...

Czarcasm · 14-10-2013 02:40PM

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

LOL, I love it when thats trotted out!.. My background is judo, its anything but gentle!.

Ways to win a Judo fight, I can throw you with force to the ground, resulting in injury/incapacity to fight, unconsciousness or even death ~ I can strangle or choke you unconscious, or I can jointlock and brake your elbow, arm, shoulder or I can pin you to the ground, whilst doing this I can smoother the life from you.

Still sounding gentle?.

Not when you completely disregard the philosophy of Judo and concentrate only on the combat element Mak. I mean, I could do all that too, but the self-discipline and mental discipline it takes NOT to do that is what makes Judo "the gentle way".

The disciplined part of my training means I show up on time, I'm clean and my gear is clean, I bow onto and off the mat/training area and I have respect for those I'm training with.. I reserve this for my training partners/club ~ attack me when I'm on the street and the deal if off, I'll use everything in my training to defend myself & beat you up and there'll be nothing gentle about it either.

Your military career will also have taught you about self-control and discipline.

Considering the punter in the clip is struggling and thrashing around trying to hit the bouncer I think the bouncer done remarkably well in dealing with the situation.

Ahh come on, you saw the piss poor effort the bouncer made at a leg sweep/low kick on the guy. If he'd put his body behind it that leg sweep should've taken the guy down. Then they wouldn't have gotten into any grappling match and certainly the bouncer went OTT in dropping the guy on a surface like the pavement. That's why they have absorbtion mats in training - a fcuk up like that could kill somebody.

Dublinpato · 14-10-2013 02:44PM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

He has a point, though.
What you see in Judo matches is nothing to what you can do.

Even something like Shotokan karate is considered "hard" VS something like Judo where there's less strikes, etc in matches.
But both styles could f**k you up very fast.

yeah but can he eat a man?

Tombi! · 14-10-2013 02:44PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Not when you completely disregard the philosophy of Judo and concentrate only on the combat element Mak. I mean, I could do all that too, but the self-discipline and mental discipline it takes NOT to do that is what makes Judo "the gentle way".

But it's a street fight. It's not a sanctioned fight with rules.

There's a difference between the disciplined aspect in trying to avoid a fight and using your fighting skills only in defense.
Which giving that Mak is a fairly huge fella, you could safely assume that if someone did have the balls to attack him, they're trying to do serious harm.

A street fight is still far different. While the powerbomb/slam whatever was way too far, you're not thinking straight in a fight.

This isn't you and the world champion going at it for the gold medal. It's going at it with someone that is trying to fight you. And not "win" in a contest.

MarkR · 14-10-2013 02:52PM

A bouncer is supposed to operate within a certain set of rules when dealing with the public. Pile driving a guy into the footpath stepped outside that. I suppose the rugby analogy wasn't really relevant, but it was similar to instances I'd seen the news where players got bans for the like.

At least it seems that it is being investigated. Not sure what all the hate is for camera phones. It's not like people are making stuff up à la steven spielberg! It records facts (though admittedly sometimes out of context). I can't see the scenario where it was appropriate to slam the guy onto the pavement.

There seems to be quite a bit of support for the bouncer, which I can understand (in a underdog being hounded by those who weren't there type of thing).

Does anyone here think his response was appropriate, even assumingthat the other guy was being a drunken aggressive arse beforehand?

Geordie bouncer bodyslams man, caught on camera

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