Child removed from Roma gypsies-This time in DUBLIN Mod Warning Post #1

TheDriver · 22-10-2013 11:54AM #1

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1022/481996-dublin-child/

If it happens anywhere in the world, it must happen here too???

Mod Warning:
Several posters infracted or banned for making huge sweeping generalisations.

Knock it off. Full bans may be handed out from this point forward.

diomed · 22-10-2013 11:58AM

I'm sure they will be dying their hair black soon.
Or they will all dye their hair blonde.
Or blue.

AnonoBoy · 22-10-2013 12:10PM

TheDriver wrote: »

If it happens anywhere in the world, it must happen here too???

Sure we don't have any original ideas in this country any more at all, do we?

Dravokivich · 22-10-2013 12:11PM

The couple claimed the girl's biological mother willingly gave her to them as a baby because she could not look after her...

...DNA tests have shown that the girl was not born to the Roma couple.

What were they expecting?

22-10-2013 12:18PM

Quote:
The couple claimed the girl's biological mother willingly gave her to them as a baby because she could not look after her...

...DNA tests have shown that the girl was not born to the Roma couple.

Perfectly plausible because if you couldn't care for your own child, the life of a Roma gypsy is the life you'd choose for them.

wil · 22-10-2013 12:18PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

What were they expecting?

thats to do with the original child.
This one has a passport but photo is of a baby (as expected).
Hospital has no record of birth of child where they claimed she was born in 2006.

Hail 2 Da Chimp · 22-10-2013 12:23PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

What were they expecting?

That artical is extremly badly written but I believe the piece you've just quoted is in reference to the child found in Greece, the Roma's in this case had originally given multiple conflicting excuses as to how they came into custody of that child.

keeponhurling · 22-10-2013 12:32PM

There are laws that you cannot just hand your children to people.

There are correct channels if you want to put your child up for adoption, and social workers who are professionally trained to assess the suitability of prospective adoptive parents.

Something very dodgy going on here. Who would skip the offical channels and give their child directly to Roma Gypsies?

stevedublin · 22-10-2013 12:33PM

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

That artical is extremly badly written but I believe the piece you've just quoted is in reference to the child found in Greece, the Roma's in this case had originally given multiple conflicting excuses as to how they came into custody of that child.

Your post isn't exactly well written either.

kneemos · 22-10-2013 12:33PM

Worse than the nuns.

Anyone · 22-10-2013 12:33PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

There are laws that you cannot just hand your children to people.

There are correct channels if you want to put your child up for adoption, and social workers who are professionally trained to assess the suitability of prospective adoptive parents.

Something very dodgy going on here. Who would skip the offical channels and give their child directly to Roma Gypsies?

This is a long shot, but perhaps the Roma Gypsies are lying?

keeponhurling · 22-10-2013 12:35PM

Anyone wrote: »

This is a long shot, but perhaps the Roma Gypsies are lying?

Racist alert!!

Roger_007 · 22-10-2013 12:36PM

My sister has three kids, two with dark hair and one with red hair......she's expecting a visit from the child protection people soon!

hansfrei · 22-10-2013 12:36PM

This news is giving Roma people a bad name

Dr.Winston O'Boogie · 22-10-2013 12:37PM

hansfrei wrote: »

This news is giving Roma people a bad name

Yes because the news made them do it.

Absoluvely · 22-10-2013 12:38PM

Anyone wrote: »

This is a long shot, but perhaps the Roma Gypsies are lying?

Don't be such a racist

Anyone · 22-10-2013 12:40PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Racist alert!!

Absoluvely wrote: »

Don't be such a racist

Explain to me how my comment is racist?

Absoluvely · 22-10-2013 12:41PM

Anyone wrote: »

Explain to me how my comment is racist?

I was being sarcastic.
So was keeponhurling.

22-10-2013 12:43PM

Anyone wrote: »

Explain to me how my comment is racist?

It's not.

Santa Cruz · 22-10-2013 12:45PM

Anyone wrote: »

This is a long shot, but perhaps the Roma Gypsies are lying?

Ah you are really grasping at straws now!

wil · 22-10-2013 12:48PM

stevedublin wrote: »

Your post isn't exactly well written either.

The last third of the original news article has little or nothing to do with this case other than context but it's the first thing people quote.

Quote from RTE
"Officers called to a house in Tallaght yesterday afternoon.
They spoke to a Roma family living there and saw a number of children, including the seven-year-old girl who has blonde hair and blue eyes.
The parents told gardaí the child was their daughter, but gardaí were not satisfied with the explanation or with the documents that were produced.
Gardaí used their powers under the Child Care Act and removed the child from the family."

Mick McCaffrey of Sunday World gave some extra details on news just now.
Gardai went there after a tip off. They were shown a passport but this was inconclusive as the photo is of a baby. The couple claimed she was born in a Dublin hospital but hospital has no record. Genealogists (sic) were consulted re chance of blond child being born to dark skinned Roma.

Lollipops23 · 22-10-2013 12:48PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Ah you are really grasping at straws now!

I know- what an "out there" comment!

God it'd make you wonder how much this kind of thing goes on...have they established the nationality of the child in question?

Cantona's Collars · 22-10-2013 12:49PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

My sister has three kids, two with dark hair and one with red hair......she's expecting a visit from the child protection people soon!

Bet she has birth certs for them & proof they are hers unlike the Roma who had no proof that the kid is theirs.

Getting sick of the Roma at this stage,if it's not one thing with them,it's another.Like it or not,the Italians have the right idea,round them up & send them home.I've a friend who's Romanian & they despise the Roma.

AnonoBoy · 22-10-2013 12:49PM

Anyone wrote: »

Explain to me how my comment is racist?

Your comment wasn't racist but you might need to get a man to take a look at your sarcasm detector. It appears to be on the fritz again.

Sunglasses Ron · 22-10-2013 12:50PM

hansfrei wrote: »

This news is giving Roma people a bad name

Aye.

That, and some other stuff.

Despite the insistence of the government and lobby groups that Roma do not get a cent of benefit or housing on arrival in Ireland it does not explain how they acquire a house. Even the most hypocritical bleeding heart on this forum like Nodin would not dare rent them a house, so if it is not the corpo acquiring them, where do they get them?

Mod: Banned

elfy4eva · 22-10-2013 12:51PM

Will be interesting to see if they come down as
hard on the Roma Couple as they did in Greece
or will they get a slap on the wrist as seems to
be customary here particularly with minority
groups.

MarkR · 22-10-2013 12:52PM

It's only very early days yet. From a quick google it will take somewhere between 3 and 10 days for results from a dna test.

AnonoBoy · 22-10-2013 12:52PM

elfy4eva wrote: »

Will be interesting to see if they come down as
hard on the Roma Couple as they did in Greece
or will they get a slap on the wrist as seems to
be customary here particularly with minority
groups.

The customary slap on the wrists for child kidnapping?

I've yet to hear about a case where that happened.

wil · 22-10-2013 12:53PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

My sister has three kids, two with dark hair and one with red hair......she's expecting a visit from the child protection people soon!

cue /standard milkman (whatever they were) joke,
I'll let you tell it, I always screw up the punchline

elfy4eva · 22-10-2013 12:53PM

MarkR wrote: »

It's only very early days yet. From a quick google it will take somewhere between 3 and 10 days for results from a dna test.

Yea but with the couple already admitting
that she's not theirs. It's not going to be
the most revealing of results. :P

Edit: Misread article this is not true.

dm1979 · 22-10-2013 12:56PM

Fair play to who ever gave he tip to the guards

wil · 22-10-2013 12:57PM

elfy4eva wrote: »

Yea but with the couple already admitting
that she's not theirs.. :P

Where was that reported? are you still referring to the first case?
according to the news about 20 minutes they claimed she was born to them in a Dublin maternity hospital.

elfy4eva · 22-10-2013 12:59PM

wil wrote: »

Where was that reported? are you still referring to the first case?
according to the news about 20 minutes they claimed she was born to them in a Dublin maternity hospital.

Apologies, the RTE article switches between the two cases. I got confused.

SterlingArcher · 22-10-2013 01:00PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

My sister has three kids, two with dark hair and one with red hair......she's expecting a visit from the child protection people soon!

More likely a visit from a fat kid from southpark looking for the stray day walker..

I Heart Internet · 22-10-2013 01:02PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

My sister has three kids, two with dark hair and one with red hair......she's expecting a visit from the child protection people soon!

And she'll probably be able to find all three birth certs and maybe even passports in under five minutes. She'll also be able to tell officers the hospital they were born in and date/time (to the nearest minute) and brth weight (to the nearest ounce).

To be fair, the Roma in the Greece and Dublin cases do seem to be coming clean and saying, "these are not our kids!". So the question is, how did they come to be in their care?

If you were a young couple/mother struggling to cope, would you choose to leave your baby with people who were members of a discriminated against and (reportedly) poverty stricken, non-formally educated ethnic group?

No.

My guess is, these kids were either bought from (awful) parents or kidnapped.

MarkR · 22-10-2013 01:02PM

Yeah, the article pulls from the greek case to drum up a bit of interest.

StewartGriffin · 22-10-2013 01:04PM

Maybe the wife was playing around. You can't just go investigating every family whose kids don't look like them. What if they found a stunningly handsome blonde couple with an ugly little minger in the pram?

"We think you must have abducted that child!"

Come to think of it I may have been abducted cos I'm the only good looking one in my family.

limitedIQ · 22-10-2013 01:06PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

If you were a young couple/mother struggling to cope, would you choose to leave your baby with people who were members of a discriminated against and (reportedly) poverty stricken, non-formally educated ethnic group?

No.

My guess is, these kids were either bought from (awful) parents or kidnapped.

Well they would probably be the only group to take her "no questions asked"

hatrickpatrick · 22-10-2013 01:07PM

It is understood she is now in the care of the Health Service Executive.

Riiiiight, because experience has clearly shown that kids are so much better off at the hands of the HSE.

The words "fat" and "fire" come irresistibly to mind...

I Heart Internet · 22-10-2013 01:07PM

StewartGriffin wrote: »

Come to think of it I may have been abducted cos I'm the only good looking one in my family.

Son, your Mam and me need to have a word with you......

I Heart Internet · 22-10-2013 01:07PM

limitedIQ wrote: »

Well they would probably be the only group to take her "no questions asked"

Mmmmm fair point

dan1895 · 22-10-2013 01:08PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Riiiiight, because experience has clearly shown that kids are so much better off at the hands of the HSE.

The words "fat" and "fire" come irresistibly to mind...

Instead of Romas, yeh, they would be infinitely better off in the care of the HSE.

hatrickpatrick · 22-10-2013 01:11PM

dan1895 wrote: »

Instead of Romas, yeh, they would be infinitely better off in the care of the HSE.

Given everything we know about the HSE, a suitable analogy would be swapping a Miley Cyrus song for a Willow Smith one.

wil · 22-10-2013 01:12PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

To be fair, the Roma in the Greece and Dublin cases do seem to be coming clean and saying, "these are not our kids!". So the question is, how did they come to be in their care?
.

I dont think that is what is currently being reported, that is still referring to the first case, NOT the Dublin case. They claimed she was theirs and born here. Records dont confirm, yet.

Jimmy Garlic · 22-10-2013 01:13PM

hansfrei wrote: »

This news is giving Roma people a bad name

They had a bad name long before this news.

seamus · 22-10-2013 01:14PM

Just the start of it in reality. I suspect we're about to discover major child trafficking routes all across Europe.

oceanman · 22-10-2013 01:18PM

dan1895 wrote: »

Instead of Romas, yeh, they would be infinitely better off in the care of the HSE.

I think your faith in the HSE is very misplaced...given everything that happened to children placed in their care in the past.

DellyBelly · 22-10-2013 01:20PM

Plenty of Romas live along the North Circular Road. I must be more vigilant when passing that way from now on just in case there are more cased like this.

dan1895 · 22-10-2013 01:30PM

oceanman wrote: »

I think your faith in the HSE is very misplaced...given everything that happened to children placed in their care in the past.

A tiny percentage of children. When figures are given out on deaths of children in the care of the HSE they include, natural causes, road traffic accidents, long term illness etc. Very few if any who die or are harmed while in the care of the HSE die or are harmed because they are in the care of the HSE.

Its far from a perfect organisation but to compare them to Romas is laughable.

Eight Ball · 22-10-2013 01:32PM

hansfrei wrote: »

This news is giving Roma people a bad name

They already have a bad name and it's for a reason.

SpaceTime · 22-10-2013 01:32PM

Front page on Sky now :

http://news.sky.com/story/1158088/ireland-blonde-roma-girl-taken-into-care

Child removed from Roma gypsies-This time in DUBLIN *Mod Warning Post #1*

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Child removed from Roma gypsies-This time in DUBLIN Mod Warning Post #1