Passports

2ygb4cmqetsjhx · 03-01-2014 4:18am #1

How do passports work? Say I lost a passport. Then got a new one. But the old one is still "looks" like a valid passport. Now I have two passports with an expiry date in 3 and 4 years respectively. Can I use the old one? Say I fly to China. They scan my passport. How do they know it's cancelled. Just curious.

dodderangler · 03-01-2014 4:22am

Well I'm pretty sure if it's out of date then it's no use at all.
The old can probably be used for I.d but as for flying I don't think so.

03-01-2014 4:23am

Your old passport number is gone.. It will just show up as invalid/fake in the airport. A land border is a bit different.. I know it would be unlikely to show up on any of the SEA Asia borders.

PrettyBoy · 03-01-2014 4:24am

I'd imagine that the passport authorities would register it as lost/stolen and therefore it would be void. When scanned it would say it has been cancelled.

2ygb4cmqetsjhx · 03-01-2014 4:27am

So does this mean that there is a database somewhere that contains a list of all the passports in the world that are currently valid. Like I get a new passport from Ireland. They mark the number as cancelled. How and who transmits this information to say tajikistan or whatever.

Chucken · 03-01-2014 4:29am

Ty Dead Herb wrote: »

How do passports work? Say I lost a passport. Then got a new one. But the old one is still "looks" like a valid passport. Now I have two passports with an expiry date in 3 and 4 years respectively. Can I use the old one? Say I fly to China. They scan my passport. How do they know it's cancelled. Just curious.

How can you use the old one if its lost?

Turtwig · 03-01-2014 4:30am

Ty Dead Herb wrote: »

So does this mean that there is a database somewhere that contains a list of all the passports in the world that are currently valid. Like I get a new passport from Ireland. They mark the number as cancelled. How and who transmits this information to say tajikistan or whatever.

Carrier pigeons.
No really, they're more efficient than you might think.

03-01-2014 4:35am

Yea I assume there's a list.. Think Interpol. And it doesn't really matter if it extends to a stan country because you can't fly out of Europe with the old one and once your in another country with your new passport, you can't leave on the the old one because there'd be no visa or entry stamp.

I've got friends here with two passports but they're stuck using whichever one they came to this part of the world on.. Only real way to switch is to get back to a home country.

lostdisk · 03-01-2014 4:45am

I know a fella has two passports. Hes a twin.

MadsL · 03-01-2014 6:23am

Deleted User wrote: »

I've got friends here with two passports but they're stuck using whichever one they came to this part of the world on.. Only real way to switch is to get back to a home country.

Eh? It doesn't work like that.

My wife has dual nationality. She uses her Irish one to enter Ireland and her US one to enter the US.

Xavi6 · 03-01-2014 6:26am

MadsL wrote: »

Eh? It doesn't work like that.

My wife has dual nationality. She uses her Irish one to enter Ireland and her US one to enter the US.

I've Irish and Australian passports and do the same thing when travelling back and forth.

No customs lines at either end :cool:

Eoin247 · 03-01-2014 6:29am

MadsL wrote: »

Eh? It doesn't work like that.

My wife has dual nationality. She uses her Irish one to enter Ireland and her US one to enter the US.

I believe he's talking about when you leave the country you must use the same passport. They stamp it to say you have left on such and such a date.

Mat the trasher · 03-01-2014 6:58am

You can get yourself in a spot of bother in some countries if they find you with two passports!!

somuj · 03-01-2014 7:00am

Eoin247 wrote: »

I believe he's talking about when you leave the country you must use the same passport. They stamp it to say you have left on such and such a date.

Cant remember the last time I had my passport stamped :P

MadsL · 03-01-2014 7:11am

Mat the trasher wrote: »

You can get yourself in a spot of bother in some countries if they find you with two passports!!

Huh? Which ones?

Mat the trasher · 03-01-2014 7:16am

Its not that its illegal, just they don't like it and might detain you for a question or two.

Sometimes travel with two Irish Passports.

MadsL · 03-01-2014 7:22am

Mat the trasher wrote: »

Its not that its illegal, just they don't like it and might detain you for a question or two.

Sometimes travel with two Irish Passports.

How the hell do you have two?? And why?

MadsL · 03-01-2014 7:22am

somuj wrote: »

Cant remember the last time I had my passport stamped :P

You need to get out (of the EU) more...

Mat the trasher · 03-01-2014 7:24am

Split personality!!

Travel alot, need for visas etc.

MadsL · 03-01-2014 7:25am

Mat the trasher wrote: »

Split personality!!

Travel alot, need for visas etc.

Ehhh? How do you have two concurrent Irish passports, is that possible?

Mat the trasher · 03-01-2014 7:27am

Yes, you have to apply for them of coarse.

MadsL · 03-01-2014 7:29am

Mat the trasher wrote: »

Yes, you have to apply for them of coarse.

The Irish state let you have two passports? Well paint me blue and call me a banana. I never knew that. Is there a special form?

SV · 03-01-2014 7:32am

MadsL wrote: »

You need to get out (of the EU) more...

Sure everything good is in the EU

Mat the trasher · 03-01-2014 7:32am

Believe it or not most of the people i spoke with at the pasport office were of the same opinion, no there's no form or box to tick on normal one. So I just applied with some cover letter, letter from my company and they issued it.

DoesNotCompute · 03-01-2014 7:34am

Ty Dead Herb wrote: »

How do passports work? Say I lost a passport. Then got a new one. But the old one is still "looks" like a valid passport. Now I have two passports with an expiry date in 3 and 4 years respectively. Can I use the old one? Say i I fly to China. They scan my passport. How do they know it's cancelled. Just curious.

When you complete a passport application form, and your most recent passport was lost or stolen, you have to declare it in front of the Gardai in section 6 of the form.

When the Passport Office process your application, they will mark your previous passport as lost or stolen. The Passport Office share data on lost and stolen passports with Interpol.

If you subsequently find said lost passport, and attempt to enter China on it, the authorities there will lock you up in a Chinese holding cell, and you'll be in a world of hurt.

DoesNotCompute · 03-01-2014 7:38am

MadsL wrote: »

The Irish state let you have two passports? Well paint me blue and call me a banana. I never knew that. Is there a special form?

Business people who travel around the world and use up the visa pages on their passport quickly can apply for a second "business" passport, if their company provide them with a letter requesting this.

Santa Cruz · 03-01-2014 7:39am

MadsL wrote: »

Huh? Which ones?

You obviously would get away on the stupidity exemption clause.

MadsL · 03-01-2014 7:42am

Santa Cruz wrote: »

You obviously would get away on the stupidity exemption clause.

Ermmm...that's nice. I expect you know the answer to everything so which countries forbid you to hold dual nationality of other countries?

MadsL · 03-01-2014 7:44am

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

Business people who travel around the world and use up the visa pages on their passport quickly can apply for a second "business" passport, if their company provide them with a letter requesting this.

I thought you could get the passport 'extended' with more pages, but I do understand if your passport is constantly off getting visas stamped into it.

DoesNotCompute · 03-01-2014 9:08am

MadsL wrote: »

I thought you could get the passport 'extended' with more pages

Years ago, yes, but not anymore.

DoesNotCompute · 03-01-2014 9:08am

MadsL wrote: »

Ermmm...that's nice. I expect you know the answer to everything so which countries forbid you to hold dual nationality of other countries?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_citizenship#Dual_citizenship_by_region

minotour · 03-01-2014 9:14am

Ty Dead Herb wrote: »

So does this mean that there is a database somewhere that contains a list of all the passports in the world that are currently valid. Like I get a new passport from Ireland. They mark the number as cancelled. How and who transmits this information to say tajikistan or whatever.

Close but no, there's a global database of lost/stolen passports which countries border agencies pay a subscription to use, most do it online but there's an offline version for the less developed border crossings. Look at Keesing, they also do currency fraud databases.

MadsL · 03-01-2014 9:17am

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_citizenship#Dual_citizenship_by_region

That's a list of countries that don't let you have a nationality apart from theirs.

Is there any country that does not let you have two passports from two other countries? That was the question I was asking.

minotour · 03-01-2014 9:34am

MadsL wrote: »

That's a list of countries that don't let you have a nationality apart from theirs.

Is there any country that does not let you have two passports from two other countries? That was the question I was asking.

Being of dual nationality is genetic, it like not being allowed to be a man? Now if your question is what happens if you turn up at a border and say which passport would you like? then you really shouldn't be allowed out in the world on your own.

MadsL · 03-01-2014 9:37am

minotour wrote: »

Being of dual nationality is genetic, it like not being allowed to be a man? Now if your question is what happens if you turn up at a border and say which passport would you like? then you really shouldn't be allowed out in the world on your own.

My questioning was that someone said you could get in trouble for having two passports in some countries. I don't believe that to be true if you are talking about two separate passports for two separate nations (not the country that you are in) and not two passports for the same country.

Phew!

marketty · 03-01-2014 9:42am

For some people its necessary to have 2 passports, for example traveling to certain Arab countries it is not desirable to have entry stamps for Israel on your passport, and vice versa

MadsL · 03-01-2014 9:44am

minotour wrote: »

Being of dual nationality is genetic, it like not being allowed to be a man?

What?

DoesNotCompute · 03-01-2014 9:47am

minotour wrote: »

Being of dual nationality is genetic

Not unless you acquired your second nationality through a means other than jus sanguinis. E.g. if you acquired the citizenship of the second country through naturalisation, marriage, or if it were conferred on you as an honour, and you had no "genetic" ties to the second country in question.

P_1 · 03-01-2014 9:47am

MadsL wrote: »

How the hell do you have two?? And why?

Getting between Israel/the rest of the Middle East comes to mind. Israel won't let you in with stamps from some countries in the ME and a lot of ME countries won't let you in with stamps from Israel.

03-01-2014 9:47am

Xavi6 wrote: »

I've Irish and Australian passports and do the same thing when travelling back and forth.

No customs lines at either end :cool:

This is illegal under Australian law, don't let them see you have two.

Sorry, I see they changes the law a few years back to allow dual citizenship...

MadsL · 03-01-2014 9:50am

I wish I had applied for Irish citizenship now, as in a year or so I could have had three nationalities.

Irish citizenship is cray cray expensive though...

P_1 · 03-01-2014 9:53am

MadsL wrote: »

I wish I had applied for Irish citizenship now, as in a year or so I could have had three nationalities.

Irish citizenship is cray cray expensive though...

OT, colour me surprised but I always assumed you were Irish.

MadsL · 03-01-2014 9:58am

P_1 wrote: »

OT, colour me surprised but I always assumed you were Irish.

Define "Irish"

P_1 · 03-01-2014 10:00am

MadsL wrote: »

Define "Irish"

A lover of potatoes and all potato related produce

MadsL · 03-01-2014 10:01am

P_1 wrote: »

A lover of potatoes and all potato related produce

Ah well...send me my passport with a harp on the cover.

However...shamefully. Walkers.

P_1 · 03-01-2014 10:03am

MadsL wrote: »

Ah well...send me my passport with a harp on the cover.

However...shamefully. Walkers.

Jeepers, MadsL is actually Gary Lineker :eek::P

NTMK · 03-01-2014 10:03am

MadsL wrote: »

My questioning was that someone said you could get in trouble for having two passports in some countries. I don't believe that to be true if you are talking about two separate passports for two separate nations (not the country that you are in) and not two passports for the same country.

Phew!

Not officially but It looks as dodgy as **** to have two in some countries. Uncle got pulled on having a US and Irish one in Peru and it cost him a day or two of hassle

MadsL · 03-01-2014 10:06am

NTMK wrote: »

Not officially but It looks as dodgy as **** to have two in some countries. Uncle got pulled on having a US and Irish one in Peru and it cost him a day or two of hassle

I don't see why, you are a citizen of both nations and both nations allow it.

They should never have changed the British passport design one however, the large stiff Royal Blue one was ideal for slapping minor nations' passport officials with.

P_1 · 03-01-2014 10:09am

MadsL wrote: »

I don't see why, you are a citizen of both nations and both nations allow it.

They should never have changed the British passport design one however, the large stiff Royal Blue one was ideal for slapping minor nations' passport officials with.

I'd imagine that in a few counties having dual nationality is a bit of an alien concept

keithclancy · 03-01-2014 10:10am

MadsL wrote: »

My questioning was that someone said you could get in trouble for having two passports in some countries. I don't believe that to be true if you are talking about two separate passports for two separate nations (not the country that you are in) and not two passports for the same country.

Phew!

You can get hassle for attempting to use a different passport in some countries. E.G. I know of a person that tried to re-enter the Schengen Zone on their US passport but they had exited on their Australian Passport due to losing their US one on their trip.

Ended up getting put on the next flight back to the US.

Apparently the should have just gotten an emergency passport to travel back to the US, since there was no record of them leaving on that travel document and it looked like they overstayed.

MadsL · 03-01-2014 10:12am

P_1 wrote: »

I'd imagine that in a few counties having dual nationality is a bit of an alien concept

There some places near me (Roswell looking at you) where having an alien nationality is a bit of an dual concept.

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