Skoda/Hyundai/Kia estate. Which is better?

odckdo · 03-01-2014 03:33PM #1

I don't know much about cars (or estates) so I am looking for some advice.

Looking to get an estate as I need a bigger boot. At the moment I drive a Golf 1.2 TSI. I find the car OK as I only do trips around town.

I am looking to buy a new Octavia estate. To keep costs down would a 1.2 TSI 86bhp be alright for a car of this size? Or would it be worth paying the extra for a 1.2 TSI 105bhp? (I read before that for small trips a petrol car is better?)

Or does anyone think a 2013 Kia or Hyundai estate would be better (even if it is diesel)?

Thanks!

Kristopherus · 03-01-2014 03:34PM

The Skoda, by a mile.

timmy4u2 · 03-01-2014 03:38PM

Do not discount the Hyundai/Kia. The Hyundai isA great car in my opinion and the winner of several awards. And a great diesel engine.

JohnBoy26 · 03-01-2014 03:43PM

Kristopherus wrote: »

The Skoda, by a mile.

why is that? Hyundai, kia are very good cars these days, certainly up there with skoda Imo.

Lex Luthor · 03-01-2014 04:40PM

Gonna throw the Seat Leon ST in there...as you are coming from a Golf this will be more familiar to you
It may not be up there quality wise as the Golf or the interior as nice inside as the Koreans, but the overall package is certainly up there and the boot is massive (bigger than a mondeo)
Probably same engine line up as the Skoda. I'd have the 105bhp unit over the 86bhp

bazz26 · 03-01-2014 04:44PM

Ford are offering the Focus estate with the 1.0 litre 100bhp Eco Boost engine, not cheap though.

Tea 1000 · 03-01-2014 05:31PM

Drive all 3, which ever you prefer is the one to get, they're all good. The new Octavia is pricey, (and a bit shíte looking), so maybe the Korean pair might be a better value alternative, but they're no less good.

vectra · 03-01-2014 05:37PM

Rapid Spaceback?

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Skoda-Rapid-Spaceback-16-TDI-2013-CAR-review/

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Karl Stein · 03-01-2014 05:53PM

The incredibly practical Honda Civic tourer is coming soon. With the naturally aspirated 1.8 VTEC engine getting 40MPG + combined with plenty of BHP and the 1.6 diesel claiming 70MPG+ you'd be mad not to consider it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/car-manufacturers/honda/10492025/Honda-Civic-Tourer-review.html

ba_barabus · 03-01-2014 05:58PM

I'd actually look at the Auris Tourer. I think it looks well.

Of the 3 posted however it would HAVE to be a Kia Cee'd estate.

spurious · 03-01-2014 06:07PM

Get a Skoda Roomster - buckets of space.

Jesus. · 03-01-2014 06:23PM

odckdo wrote: »

To keep costs down would a 1.2 TSI 86bhp be alright for a car of this size?

No

Or would it be worth paying the extra for a 1.2 TSI 105bhp?

And nor would that IMO.

I know its a matter of opinion but a 1.2 in a car that's quite large would just be a no no for me.

Best of luck with your search mate.

ba_barabus · 03-01-2014 06:38PM

Jesus. wrote: »

No.

My mothers Yeti had the 1.2TSI with 105bhp. It's actually very nippy and pulls well up to 120k/hr.

I've had it loaded a few times with people and never felt it was underpowered. Obviously the diesel is better overall but you need to be doing miles for it to work out a better buy IMHO

Jesus. · 03-01-2014 08:02PM

ba_barabus wrote: »

My mothers Yeti had the 1.2TSI with 105bhp. It's actually very nippy and pulls well up to 120k/hr. I've had it loaded a few times with people and never felt it was underpowered.

Hmm. I'm unconvinced mate.

Still, I doubt you're making it up to be fair.

colm_mcm · 03-01-2014 08:19PM

Carlos Roca wrote: »

The incredibly practical Honda Civic tourer is coming soon. With the naturally aspirated 1.8 VTEC engine getting 40MPG + combined with plenty of BHP and the 1.6 diesel claiming 70MPG+ you'd be mad not to consider it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/car-manufacturers/honda/10492025/Honda-Civic-Tourer-review.html

The 1.8 hatchback is €26000, tourer will surely be more again.

ba_barabus · 03-01-2014 08:22PM

Jesus. wrote: »

Hmm. I'm unconvinced mate.

Still, I doubt you're making it up to be fair.

Have you driven one? 105bhp TSI with a 6-speed box?

MuppetCheck · 03-01-2014 08:26PM

Even if you're doing small miles the Kia 7 year warranty means a diesel is viable. For what it is the 1.6 is a really good unit, quiet, frugal and nippy. The rest of the car isn't bad either. The interior of the skoda will probably feel that bit nicer but there's little in it.

Jesus. · 03-01-2014 11:27PM

ba_barabus wrote: »

Have you driven one? 105bhp TSI with a 6-speed box?

No mate I haven't. I just draw the line when engines get down to a certain size. I can't imagine a 1.2 being decent in a car the size of an Octavia.

ba_barabus · 03-01-2014 11:29PM

Jesus. wrote: »

No mate I haven't. I just draw the line when engines get down to a certain size. I can't imagine a 1.2 being decent in a car the size of an Octavia.

I'd drive one before dismissing them

I jumped into it from my 318 one evening and I know which one I had more fun in.

Tea 1000 · 03-01-2014 11:56PM

Jesus. wrote: »

No mate I haven't. I just draw the line when engines get down to a certain size. I can't imagine a 1.2 being decent in a car the size of an Octavia.

Engine size means nothing. Power figures and delivery are all that matter. That 1.2 engine would be a long way ahead of the old crap 1.6 petrol.

ba_barabus · 04-01-2014 12:01AM

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Engine size means nothing. Power figures and delivery are all that matter. That 1.2 engine would be a long way ahead of the old crap 1.6 petrol.

It is. The gear ratios on the 6-speed box are good, it's nippy off the line. The major limitations to it was the handling of the Yeti. I reckon in a small nippy car it would put some older hot hatches to shame on a back road. As said however between 120-140 it runs out of puff.

Tea 1000 · 04-01-2014 12:03AM

ba_barabus wrote: »

It is. The gear ratios on the 6-speed box are good, it's nippy off the line. The major limitations to it was the handling of the Yeti. I reckon in a small nippy car it would put some older hot hatches to shame on a back road. As said however between 120-140 it runs out of puff.

Most 105bhp engines do though!

ba_barabus · 04-01-2014 12:06AM

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Most 105bhp engines do though!

It can be made fun through tight backroads however..........most 105bhp cars can however :P

Jesus. · 04-01-2014 12:13AM

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Engine size means nothing. Power figures and delivery are all that matter.

Not really though. Squeezing a lot of power out of a tiny little unit does put a lot of stress on the motor.

You think a 3 pot, 1 liter in a Mondy is appropriate? I certainly don't. In fact, I think someone's taking the piss.

Tea 1000 · 04-01-2014 12:20AM

Jesus. wrote: »

Not really though. Squeezing a lot of power out of a tiny little unit does put a lot of stress on the motor.

You think a 3 pot, 1 liter in a Mondy is appropriate? I certainly don't. In fact, I think someone's taking the piss.

I haven't driven one, so I don't know what sort of stress the engine is under. But just because it's small, doesn't necessarily mean it's stressed. Engines have come a long way and are still improving. Size doesn't actually mean anything. Chances are that pick a 5 litre engine from the 30's with around 40bhp and put it in the same vehicle as the 1 litre EcoBoost 100bhp engine you'd be stressing the old one more by driving both hard.
You change the mapping to suit the engine load. There's a point to when you're over doing it, but I wouldn't worry about a 1 litre engine in a Mondeo if it was designed and manufactured correctly. A Mondeo is only about 150kgs more than a Focus. Maybe less. That means that putting 2 passengers in a 1 litre Ecoboost Focus is stressing the engine by the same logic, which isn't the case.
It's not an exact science, so I say drive it and see!

dr.fuzzenstein · 04-01-2014 12:39AM

ba_barabus wrote: »

My mothers Yeti had the 1.2TSI with 105bhp. It's actually very nippy and pulls well up to 120k/hr.

I've had it loaded a few times with people and never felt it was underpowered. Obviously the diesel is better overall but you need to be doing miles for it to work out a better buy IMHO

I've driven the 1.2 Yeti and found it quite underpowered.
On the motorway traffic slowed down going uphill, had to stick it in 3rd and scream it to the redline and it was torturous.
No grunt, no poke, wouldn't fancy overtaking anything in it.
It's OK for pottering around, but it needs momentum, it doesn't like accelerating, hills or overtaking.
I would consider a Yeti, but not with that engine.
What is this crazy fascination with milk carton sized engines anyway?
Whatever the petrol heads say about a decent sized petrol engine, but these new engines?
Gimme my oilburner any day.

dr.fuzzenstein · 04-01-2014 12:41AM

Jesus. wrote: »

No mate I haven't. I just draw the line when engines get down to a certain size. I can't imagine a 1.2 being decent in a car the size of an Octavia.

Well, I would consider a 1.2 to be a good-sized engine. In a Smart.
As I said, driven the 1.2 Yeti. It moves in mysterious ways, just not very fast.

colm_mcm · 04-01-2014 12:43AM

Drove a polo 1.2 TSI and it was great, isn't the new octavia fairly light?

On a side note, I was told the 1.2 TSI was 4 cylinder but it sounded like a 3 cylinder at low revs?

Tea 1000 · 04-01-2014 12:43AM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well, I would consider a 1.2 to be a good-sized engine. In a Smart.
As I said, driven the 1.2 Yeti. It moves in mysterious ways, just not very fast.

Was it the 86bhp version?
It depends on the application. The 1.4 TSI 122bhp in the VAG range even the Passat is far ahead of the old 115bhp 2 litre N/A petrol for example, under any load or hill!

Jesus. · 04-01-2014 12:44AM

Tea 1000 wrote: »

I haven't driven one, so I don't know what sort of stress the engine is under. But just because it's small, doesn't necessarily mean it's stressed. Engines have come a long way and are still improving. Size doesn't actually mean anything. Chances are that pick a 5 litre engine from the 30's with around 40bhp and put it in the same vehicle as the 1 litre EcoBoost 100bhp engine you'd be stressing the old one more by driving both hard.
You change the mapping to suit the engine load. There's a point to when you're over doing it, but I wouldn't worry about a 1 litre engine in a Mondeo if it was designed and manufactured correctly. A Mondeo is only about 150kgs more than a Focus. Maybe less. That means that putting 2 passengers in a 1 litre Ecoboost Focus is stressing the engine by the same logic, which isn't the case.
It's not an exact science, so I say drive it and see!

Size doesn't actually mean anything.

I tried to tell her that last night but she wasn't having it

Come on mate, don't be saying size don't mean sh*t and then coming up with motors from the 30's. The 30's for Christ's sake!!

The new Mondy is going to be even bigger than the last which is already the biggest motor in its class. It'll be as big as, if not bigger than, some executive cars. And I'm sure the weight will match. Yet you're trying to tell me that a 3 banger 1 liter could be fine in it?

Pull the other one Teabag

ba_barabus · 04-01-2014 12:45AM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I've driven the 1.2 Yeti and found it quite underpowered.
On the motorway traffic slowed down going uphill, had to stick it in 3rd and scream it to the redline and it was torturous.
No grunt, no poke, wouldn't fancy overtaking anything in it.
It's OK for pottering around, but it needs momentum, it doesn't like accelerating, hills or overtaking.
I would consider a Yeti, but not with that engine.
What is this crazy fascination with milk carton sized engines anyway?
Whatever the petrol heads say about a decent sized petrol engine, but these new engines?
Gimme my oilburner any day.

I don't think you were driving it right. You don't need to mash the pedal to the floor in every gear to get the best out of it.

I've made it move pretty sharpish. It's better than most engines it's size, actually I struggle to think of anything it's size that better.

Skoda/Hyundai/Kia estate. Which is better?

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