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Would you get mecical/surgery/dental work done out foreign if it was cheaper?

  • 09-01-2014 10:33PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭


    Well would you

    Dunno if i would run the risk

    Would you get medical/surgery/dental work done out foreign if cheaper 94 votes

    Yes i would
    0% 0 votes
    No i wouldnt
    100% 94 votes


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭nibtrix


    Definitely, I know a fair few people who went for dental treatment abroad and they were all happy with the results.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭SV


    Specialun wrote: »
    Well would you

    Dunno if i would run the risk

    What risk? Having your bank account stay significantly higher?

    Would do it and plan on doing it!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,425 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Depends on the procedure, and the saving!! Dental certainly, not sure about medical or surgical


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭whupdedo


    Are you taking into account journey tickets, accommodation, time off work etc etc?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    I am aware of a man who had a serious amount of dental work done in a short period of time (10 days) in Hungary which involved a number of anaesthetics. He died very shortly after his return. He did have a heart problem and the inquest did decide that the anaesthetics played a part in his death.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Specialun wrote: »
    Well would you

    Dunno if i would run the risk

    Ye wah?

    These people generally fly in from Turkey.and.the like for a.days work here. YOU ARE USING A.FOREIGN SERVICE IN THESE CLINICS.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭BNMC


    It would be no more riskier than getting anything done in Ireland.

    Professionals in Ireland, particularly dentists love to scaremonger people who suggest going abroad to avail of significantly cheaper work. We are being ripped off to a huge extent in this area.

    I'd go abroad in a heartbeat. Save money and get a mini holiday too. Win win situation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    I would but they are all foreigners and all speak foreign and I'm not and I don't.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭whupdedo


    Ok so to save money on dental treatment

    you have to organise flights, accommodation, airport parking fees and transfers on the other
    side, then you have to go to a dentist and get work done on your teeth while all the while pretending to yourself that your on a "mini holiday"

    Ya sounds like any holiday I'd love to go on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    Depends on what you call foreign, doesn't it?

    My husband needed a couple of crowns replaced. His Cork dentist told him 2.5k. :eek:. And this was in '09 when the £/Euro rate was 1:1!! So I suggested going to see my dentist in London as a private patient.

    He got the crowns replaced, a root canal his Irish dentist never told him about, a clean and check-ups as the treatment progressed. Total? £1100. AND it included the flights back and forth...(3 trips in total)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭squeekyduck


    Hi everybody! Hi Doctor Nick!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Got my penis enlarged in Bulgaria there a few years ago.

    Im now legally a woman.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭whupdedo


    Total? £1100. AND it included the flights back and forth...(3 trips in total)

    Fair enough, but was that 3 days he had to take off work or did the dentist do them at the weekend?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 806 ✭✭✭Casshern88


    Depends on the country

    Any developed western country sure

    Eastern europe / russia - i dont know, id want to do a lot of research on the facility, it would have to have phenomenal reviews

    africa/middle east/south east easia - you'd gotta be crazy to consider 80% of countries in those areas. you'd end up with a kidney on the black market and only realize years later


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭liliq


    I literally today started a huge treatment with my teeth.
    I would have considered going elsewhere but I've a 2 year old who I would either have to bring with me, which would be my preference as I don't like leaving him and haven't for more than a night so far, or my husband would have to take time off work. Either way, that would be a huge added cost both money and time wise.
    I'm not a great patient either, so I need to be able to know that I can walk in the door, freak out and walk back out again without having flown to another country to do it.
    The work I'm getting done I'm finding extremely hard to get my head around, (I had 6 teeth pulled today, 4 of which were my front teeth- didn't plan on that while I was still in my 20's), and because of that its going to be done in stages over years- flights and accommodation would add up pretty quickly for that.

    It's crazy that were getting ripped off so much that there's this kind of medical tourism.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Daqster


    Have a brother who had two implants put where he was quoted €4000 here and had them done for €750. I think they were for four missing teeth in total, two on each side.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    Ahhhh. The old "out foreign"....They don't like that round these parts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Glenbhoy


    SV wrote: »
    What risk? Having your bank account stay significantly higher?

    Would do it and plan on doing it!

    There is significant risk when receiving treatment in other jurisdictions. I'm not saying that our providers are better, some are, some aren't. But there there are significant legal and professional procedures and requirements between different jurisdictions.

    Dental work is often touted as being relatively risk free and can generate significant savings. With regards to the savings, I don't think they are as significant any more, although of course, you would have to compare that yourself, and you won't get the opportunity to relax in those heated outdoor baths in Budapest (worth the trip on its own). The main risks with dental are that they do too much work in too short a time, this is almost certainly going to happen. There is only such much you can do in terms of oral surgery, or orthodontic procedures at a time, if too much is attempted, serious long term damage can result and it's highly likely that the treatment will not achieve the desired results. The other big risk is in after care, often after major work, complications will arise, if the person who performed the procedure is immediately available then fast and effective treatment should ensure that complications are dealt with efficiently and of course, it's likely that the provider will not charge for these visits (not quite as simple when the provider is a 3 hour flight away).
    Other things to bear in mind are what comeback and legal rights you have in foreign jurisdictions if you are not happy with the treatment (and the ease of navigating foreign legal systems if required).

    I think taking the potential issues into account, it's certainly worth pricing things up with irish providers initially and after you add in the travel expenses and possibly factor in after care visits to Irish care providers, there may not be much in it. I know for example, that it's no longer cheaper to go north for most dental treatments (and I'm a nordie).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    UK? Maybe
    Eastern Europe? No chance


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    UK? Maybe
    Eastern Europe? No chance

    Where do you think Eastern Europeans get their dental/medical work done?
    America?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Stojkovic


    UK? Maybe
    Eastern Europe? No chance
    Dentists in Budapest are the best in the World. Beautiful city too.

    #ripoffireland


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    whupdedo wrote: »
    Fair enough, but was that 3 days he had to take off work or did the dentist do them at the weekend?

    The dentist works Saturdays, so no problem. Still way cheaper than the Irish dentist.

    I also went home to have some work done. Guess what? Free on the NHS (it was done at the dental hospital). I had the option to go private though. And 2k to have the same treatment here...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭whupdedo


    Chucken wrote: »
    Where do you think Eastern Europeans get their dental/medical work done?
    America?

    No they come to Ireland, get a medical card and get it done for nothing, it's a happy eastern European tradition dating back to early 2009


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    whupdedo wrote: »
    No they come to Ireland, get a medical card and get it done for nothing, it's a happy eastern European tradition dating back to early 2009

    Um- no. You do know that dental treatment on the MC is very restricted, don't you? Anything more than 2 fillings/extractions and 2 check-ups a year isn't covered. You have to pay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    whupdedo wrote: »
    No they come to Ireland, get a medical card and get it done for nothing, it's a happy eastern European tradition dating back to early 2009

    May I.....

    :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭anotherposter


    my dad got quoted 25k to get all his top teeth replaced with implants in ireland

    he went to moldovia and got the lot done for 6k plus flights and hotel. was gone 1 week. came back with a full set of teeth. has had no problems whatsoever.

    but tbh there are alot of good dentists abroad

    on the otherhand there is a lot of dodgy plastic surgeons abroad.

    would go abroad for dental work but not plastic surgery


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭tooth_doc


    If it iis something very straightforward and minimally invasive it is reasonable, but consider this if your dentist says it takes x amount of time and y amountof money to do it , and somebody says it can be done 1/10 of time and cost , take it with just a pinch of salt


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭tooth_doc


    What if something goes wrong ? Are u going to fly back and forth? Are they regulated? Are their training based on verifiable standards?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Hello tooth doc. Trying to keep the money in Ireland yeah?
    I see you've set your homepage to lakeshoredentalpractice.ie


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭tooth_doc


    biko wrote: »
    Hello tooth doc. Trying to keep the money in Ireland yeah?
    I see you've set your homepage to lakeshoredentalpractice.ie

    Every little helps :) am I allowed to keep that as my homepage?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    I have done in England on the NHS, granted I did live there before but saved an absolute fortune compared to the rip off prices dentists charge here.

    Was 6 months on a waiting list as the dental surgery I used was mostly private patients with limited NHS patients accepted so when my chance came I jumped at it, same dental work as private patients just cheaper.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭FizzleSticks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 792 ✭✭✭pillphil


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    I have done in England on the NHS, granted I did live there before but saved an absolute fortune compared to the rip off prices dentists charge here.

    Was 6 months on a waiting list as the dental surgery I used was mostly private patients with limited NHS patients accepted so when my chance came I jumped at it, same dental work as private patients just cheaper.

    You do understand how the NHS works, right?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    pillphil wrote: »
    You do understand how the NHS works, right?
    I don't quite get what you mean here.

    The dental surgery I went to is one of the best in the region, the work I had done was fine and I've had no problems and potentially saved about €1,500+

    What seems to be the problem?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭tooth_doc


    The NHS is a good system , it does a very difficult job with the increasing cut backs of its funding. Unfortunately at times it is pot luck on getting a good dentist on the NHS. looking back at my experience in other countries the NHS even with its current limitations is a very good system


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭tooth_doc


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    Exactly, and in many cases here the dentists will have a payment plan or budgeting help for larger plans , health is one thing that one shouldnt take short cuts on IMHO


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 792 ✭✭✭pillphil


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    I don't quite get what you mean here.

    The dental surgery I went to is one of the best in the region, the work I had done was fine and I've had no problems and potentially saved about €1,500+

    What seems to be the problem?

    I'm not criticising the surgery or the NHS, but you can't compare the price of the NHS treatment to that of a private Irish dentist. They're not the same thing.
    I don't know what you would compare it against, either health insurance or the medical card, I guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭tooth_doc


    pillphil wrote: »
    I'm not criticising the surgery or the NHS, but you can't compare the price of the NHS treatment to that of a private Irish dentist. They're not the same thing.
    I don't know what you would compare it against, either health insurance or the medical card, I guess.

    NHS and private cannot be compared in Ireland or the UK , the medical card is less generous than the NHS


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    That's one of those quotes that seem true for 30 seconds - and then you go hey, wait a minute. Getting dentist work done in another country (what countries are you guys thinking of btw? India?) may even be better than here. Salaries and material costs are lower but the quality is the same.


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    My brother has had some dental work done in France. But my Dad lives there and we are under his insurance over there so it works out cheaper.

    I considered getting braces in France, but it would have been ridiculous and simply more expensive in the end. Got them done in Ireland instead. They were expensive, but still managed to pay for them myself while in college and working only 16 hours a week..


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    my wife gets some of her bigger dental work done at home in Slovakia.i've also had work done there. the dental surgeries are cleaner there than here. you also don't go walking into clinics and hospitals in your street shoes.
    mrsa isn't a problem for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭tooth_doc


    from somebody who has worked in other countries, I can say some of the regulation that is in place here in Ireland/UK in protecting the patients is not available elsewhere.if something goes wrong abroad there isnt any comeback. Granted Ireland may not be the best out there but on a scale it is much safer to get invasive procedures done here than in most other countries. Of course nobody is perfect and if you do your research and find a good professional then you will be fine. When somebody is in pain all the intention of doing research goes out the window mind you :-).
    three questions my customers asks me

    1) does it hurt
    2)how long does it take
    3) how much does it cost

    not necessarily in that order :-) but these are the most common three questions


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,306 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    he went to moldovia and got the lot done for 6k plus flights and hotel. was gone 1 week. came back with a full set of teeth. has had no problems whatsoever.
    That's an awful lot of work done in under a week. How stable are the implants going to be when done that quickly? Given how slow bone grows... I dunno. One week seems too quick to me. I'm no medical type mind you.

    No problems whatsoever? I hope that's the case for your dad, however how long has he had the new teeth? If it's a year, or two then you can't be sure of the work. Longevity is where it's at. No use paying 6 grand only to have the teeth last 6 years and have to do it all over again. Better paying 12 grand and having them stay stable for the next 20 years. My take anyway.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭Magenta


    Wouldn't travel for any kind of surgery, dental or otherwise.

    1. It's a procedure on my face/body. It's my physical being and I want the best possible quality.
    2. I don't want to have to travel for hours if anything goes wrong.

    I don't even go to the cheap Asian nail salons. I go to an Irish salon where I know the materials used are safe and designed for nails (ie not dental cement), where the technician is highly skilled, and where I won't have someone trying to get me in and out the door faster by using a drill on my nails rather than file them by hand.
    They're my hands, part of my body, everyone can see them, I want and pay for the best.

    Not all surgeries are equal, not all dental work is equal. There's a difference between price and value. Buy cheap, buy twice in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭tooth_doc


    Magenta wrote: »
    Wouldn't travel for any kind of surgery, dental or otherwise.

    1. It's a procedure on my face/body. It's my physical being and I want the best possible quality.
    2. I don't want to have to travel for hours if anything goes wrong.

    I don't even go to the cheap Asian nail salons. I go to an Irish salon where I know the materials used are safe and designed for nails (ie not dental cement), where the technician is highly skilled, and where I won't have someone trying to get me in and out the door faster by using a drill on my nails rather than file them by hand.
    They're my hands, part of my body, everyone can see them, I want and pay for the best.

    Not all surgeries are equal, not all dental work is equal. There's a difference between price and value. Buy cheap, buy twice in my opinion.


    Amen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭Wotsername


    I would under the right circumstances.
    A friend of mine has recently contacted Access Dental, A practice that have by all accounts, clinics both here and in Budapest.
    She has arranged an appointment for an assessment and is fairly confident so far.
    I on the other hand am not so sure. It is much much cheaper alright, Tho I'm still not convinced about the after-care.
    Does anyone have personal experience, or any further information on this practice that i could pass on to her?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 solarflare


    hi,have no fears if this company is called access smile. I WENT TO BUDAPEST IN 2004 , i had 15 root canals and 15 crowns plus two bridges.the cost was 11000 euro .i have not had any problems and have only positive things to say .it changed my life and gave me back my confidence.i also was able to claim back at the top rate of tax for this however i think you can only claim at bottom rate now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭Wotsername


    solarflare wrote: »
    hi,have no fears if this company is called access smile. I WENT TO BUDAPEST IN 2004 , i had 15 root canals and 15 crowns plus two bridges.the cost was 11000 euro .i have not had any problems and have only positive things to say .it changed my life and gave me back my confidence.i also was able to claim back at the top rate of tax for this however i think you can only claim at bottom rate now.

    Thanks for that. I'll be sure to advise him on what you've said.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭tooth_doc


    Wotsername wrote: »
    Thanks for that. I'll be sure to advise him on what you've said.

    Good luck, the test of time is what determines the success not the short term bliss on the money saved


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭le la rat


    shop local and shop often


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