How petty is this by the gardai?

carzony · 14-01-2014 12:53PM #1

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDEQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Firish-news%2Ftransfer-for-lovehate-garda-out-of-drugs-to-immigration-29906636.html&ei=nDLVUufwHcPQ7AbQmoDYDw&usg=AFQjCNHFu7uetD1os7ffyNJL5P0Xowopmg

Couldn't sack him so they had to 'move' him to a different unit..

PLUG71 · 14-01-2014 12:55PM

Very petty it would seem!

Its All Wright · 14-01-2014 12:56PM

Couldnt really be undercover again since his face is now well known...Love/Hate is fairly popular

The immigrants wont know him from Adam though..good move

conor2469 · 14-01-2014 12:56PM

It says in the article that he was a real life undercover detective with the GNDU. Since he appeared on a popular irish tv show do you still reckon he would be suited to a role as an undercover detective? Although it does state he was no longer doing undercover work....

Alf Veedersane · 14-01-2014 12:57PM

What did he expect: a promotion?

Khomeini · 14-01-2014 12:58PM

Good. Awful show.

BillyMitchel · 14-01-2014 12:58PM

carzony wrote: »

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDEQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Firish-news%2Ftransfer-for-lovehate-garda-out-of-drugs-to-immigration-29906636.html&ei=nDLVUufwHcPQ7AbQmoDYDw&usg=AFQjCNHFu7uetD1os7ffyNJL5P0Xowopmg

Couldn't sack him so they had to 'move' him to a different unit..

The eejit worked undercover and came out he was an undercover Garda while the show was on! It's for his own safety and not to fock up any operation they might have ongoing. Not rocket science really!

Phill Ewinn · 14-01-2014 12:58PM

A different unit? Like TV3?

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 14-01-2014 12:59PM

I suppose now that he is so well known it was rather pointless keeping him in that unit.
In any event Gardaí are transferred between units all the time.
Going on the most watched domestic TV series in the state and playing a role that exactly matches what you do in everyday life is hardly going to help keep you in that job, when that job is tackling drug crime.

Tzardine · 14-01-2014 12:59PM

Not petty at all. He should have known better.

Shame for the drugs squad, he was probably a great detective but he must have known there was a conflict of interest when playing the part.

Alf Veedersane · 14-01-2014 01:00PM

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

A different unit? Like TV3?

No.

G-Unit.

He's got mad rap skillz.

blade1 · 14-01-2014 01:00PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

What did he expect: a promotion?

No, a part in C.S.I

OldNotWIse · 14-01-2014 01:00PM

How could he possibly expect to work at an undercover role after his face has been plastered all over TV? ffs :rolleyes:

theteal · 14-01-2014 01:01PM

I always wondered how the poor feckers ended up getting stuck checking passports in the airport.

I blame Bill Rawles!

biko · 14-01-2014 01:01PM

It doesn't state whether he spoke to any supervisor before accepting the role.
But yeah, looking back it seems like a petty vengeance deal.

djk1000 · 14-01-2014 01:02PM

He no longer does undercover work, so anonymity isn't an issue. He has years of of very specific and specialised experience that someone new won't have for a very long time, seems a bit silly to me!

theteal · 14-01-2014 01:02PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

How could he possibly expect to work at an undercover role after his face has been plastered all over TV? ffs :rolleyes:

did it not say he already pulled out of the undercover gig?

B_Rabbit · 14-01-2014 01:03PM

theteal wrote: »

I always wondered how the poor feckers ended up getting stuck checking passports in the airport.

I blame Bill Rawles!

The fcuk did I do?

banquo · 14-01-2014 01:03PM

Jesus. Talk about the revenge of the mediocre.

Manach · 14-01-2014 01:05PM

Given that his ultimate boss Alan Shatter works part time (based on his work rate) as the Defense minister as well, it does seem rather incongruous to punish that individual.

PLUG71 · 14-01-2014 01:05PM

PLUG71 wrote: »

Very petty it would seem!

Ok it official im a tool

I did not think too much about my post!

Its been a long day:)

Boom_Bap · 14-01-2014 01:06PM

djk1000 wrote: »

He no longer does undercover work, so anonymity isn't an issue. He has years of of very specific and specialised experience that someone new won't have for a very long time, seems a bit silly to me!

But, the problem is his colleagues who are still doing undercover work. If he is recognised, any other members of the under cover unit that worked with him are now compromised by association.

anncoates · 14-01-2014 01:07PM

Just get Frano to bring the senior fuzz chap up to the pit bull farm and "have a quiet word" with him over magic mushrooms and poitiin.

Its All Wright · 14-01-2014 01:07PM

If anyone else was double jobbing there would be uproar about it, just because hes a star in the greatest irish tv show ever produced doesnt make it ok

anncoates · 14-01-2014 01:14PM

Its All Wright wrote: »

If anyone else was double jobbing there would be uproar about it, just because hes a star in the greatest irish tv show ever produced doesnt make it ok

Anybody can work two jobs if they pay the taxes?

It clearly says in the article that he filmed the show during his leave and he was found not guilty in the disciplinary procedure.

imitation · 14-01-2014 01:15PM

Its standard conflict of interest though, many peoples contracts state they cannot work for other organizations as a matter of course, especially if that job publicly portrayed the organization you work for or possible practices they do. I would say you be a gonner if you did it without management blessing in most companies.

steddyeddy · 14-01-2014 01:19PM

Isn't moonlighting illegal in the gaurds?

Plazaman · 14-01-2014 01:21PM

He no longer worked as an undercover cop when he started filming and I'm sure there are multiple facets to the Drugs Unit that he could continue work in. A huge loss of knowledge and experience to the Unit I'd say and this will be a delight to the scumbags who he had dealings with.

Tasden · 14-01-2014 01:21PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Isn't moonlighting illegal in the gaurds?

He was on leave.
And as far I remember he said he asked permission beforehand and was told it was OK.

Its All Wright · 14-01-2014 01:21PM

anncoates wrote: »

Anybody can work two jobs if they pay the taxes?

It clearly says in the article that he filmed the show during his leave and he was found not guilty in the disciplinary procedure.

Not healthy to be working during annual leave, when is he resting? If a lorry driver done that he would be in big trouble

K-9 · 14-01-2014 01:24PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Isn't moonlighting illegal in the gaurds?

It's often mentioned as so, seems this Guard did nothing wrong in this case.

He said he wasn't doing undercover work any more but I'd have thought he should have notified higher ups that he got the part.

systemicrisk · 14-01-2014 01:27PM

Even if he never intends to work under cover again, he couldn't even be involved in any operations that require him not to be seen before an arrest. Some spotter sees him sitting in a car anywhere near an anti drugs operation and they are alerted to it. Also it could put his safety at risk, the people the drugs unit deal with are nasty ****ers if he is involved in an arrest they already have his details without having to so much as lift a finger. It sounds like a smart move to have him transferred. He may be "devastated" but he has only himself to blame.

Miguel_Sanchez · 14-01-2014 01:28PM

BillyMitchel wrote: »

The eejit worked undercover and came out he was an undercover Garda while the show was on! It's for his own safety and not to fock up any operation they might have ongoing. Not rocket science really!

No he didn't. He had finished undercover work before he the show aired.

Hitchens · 14-01-2014 01:29PM

Strituck wrote: »

he was probably a great detective but he must have known there was a conflict of interest when playing the part.

If he was a great detective wouldn't he have intuitively seen a red flag waving over his decision?

.............only asking

Dempsey · 14-01-2014 01:52PM

The Guard had years of training & experience and now alot of that cannot be used in a meaningful way because of his 'hobby'.

It doesnt sound like he got explicit permission to compromise his skillset as a member of the Gardai but he should have known that he wouldnt be allowed to continue in a job where anonymity is paramount. He hasnt breached any disciplinary procedures but he cant be the sharpest tool in the box if he's actually surprised by the action taken by his superiors.

Miguel_Sanchez · 14-01-2014 01:57PM

I'm pretty sure he did ask his superior officer for permission and was granted it.

It was the higher ups that decided they didn't like the idea long after he'd shot the show.

Nothing yer man could do about it. He was given the go ahead and only after it was too late for him to do anything about it was it raised as an issue.

Stavros Murphy · 14-01-2014 10:38PM

He didn't manage to nail Nidge so he wasn't all that anyway.

keith16 · 14-01-2014 10:44PM

Tom Petty.

MonaPizza · 14-01-2014 10:53PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but I read somewhere that not only did he clear it with his superiors but he was no longer working undercover but doing a desk job. Sitting behind a desk in a station all day is hardly going to have any effect on the undercover guys in the field.

keeponhurling · 14-01-2014 11:02PM

Will he be in the next series of Love/Hate?
He was a great character in it

feargale · 14-01-2014 11:16PM

Manach wrote: »

Given that his ultimate boss Alan Shatter works part time (based on his work rate) as the Defense minister as well, it does seem rather incongruous to punish that individual.

Not unusual for Departments to be amalgamated, split etc.. Shatter is not above reproach, but nobody has ever denied that he works bloody hard.

Potential-Monke · 14-01-2014 11:21PM

Let's clarify a few things here.

He had finished his tenure as undercover (there is a time limit to being undercover) and had taken a desk job (8 months before the show aired)after being offered the role. Garda Management had been informed of the role 2 weeks prior to the airing of the final episode. Link

He was not in breach of any regulations in taking the role, and had received permission from his superiors before taking the role. Link

He had also taken annual leave to film his role, which is not in breach of the European Working Time Directive or the Health and Safety Act (doing it on rest days might, but he was on leave). And Gardaí can work other jobs, as long as the EWTD and H&S Act are complied with.

As the article in the second link states, it just goes to further prove that it's management against the frontline. They're changing the regulations to stop Gardaí from taking on Garda roles in films/tv. That, coupled with the decision to transfer D/Gda O'Reilly, further re-inforces the fact, and will only make the divide between management and frontline worse.

downonthefarm · 14-01-2014 11:22PM

They are easy enough to spot at the best of times so it was a bad move on his part.
Wonder will they pull the old dildo trick now?

feargale · 14-01-2014 11:39PM

The bigger picture relates to gardai moonlighting and the consequent and frequent conflicts of interest, and the temptation to favour some, and spite others where deals turn sour. Did any of you ever enjoy the hospitality at an xmas party in a garda station? The majority of gardai are decent, hardworking personnel doing a good and often dangerous job, but are let down by the few.

JustAThought · 15-01-2014 12:03AM

Apart from all of that; a good detective should have seen the issues around this - hardly a great endorsement of his basic smarts & concern for his colleagues.

& now that he's a well known TV celebrity - how much time in his day- to-day job dealing with joe public is he going to spend in chit-chat & small talk over it. Everyone he meets, two a day, ten a day ; even if it's only ten minutes each that's a lot of wasted hours. Best to have him out of sight in a back office.

& You can't expect other guards & their children & families to take an extra risk because he took an extra pay packet .

Are there not enough out of work actors to choose from for this role? Or did he help with knowledge, how it's done & inside & processes - its also about this type of compromises .

Jonkenji · 15-01-2014 12:08AM

He's the lead singer of a band also, is there anything this man can't do?

Mr. CooL ICE · 15-01-2014 12:19AM

Jonkenji wrote: »

He's the lead singer of a band also, is there anything this man can't do?

Eat his own head?

Femme_Fatale · 15-01-2014 12:29AM

imitation wrote: »

Its standard conflict of interest though, many peoples contracts state they cannot work for other organizations as a matter of course, especially if that job publicly portrayed the organization you work for or possible practices they do. I would say you be a gonner if you did it without management blessing in most companies.

But it wasn't a problem in this case.

Its All Wright wrote: »

Not healthy to be working during annual leave, when is he resting? If a lorry driver done that he would be in big trouble

But he isn't a lorry driver...

JustAThought wrote: »

Apart from all of that; a good detective should have seen the issues around this - hardly a great endorsement of his basic smarts & concern for his colleagues.

& now that he's a well known TV celebrity - how much time in his day- to-day job dealing with joe public is he going to spend in chit-chat & small talk over it. Everyone he meets, two a day, ten a day ; even if it's only ten minutes each that's a lot of wasted hours. Best to have him out of sight in a back office.

& You can't expect other guards & their children & families to take an extra risk because he took an extra pay packet .

Are there not enough out of work actors to choose from for this role? Or did he help with knowledge, how it's done & inside & processes - its also about this type of compromises .

Ze straws, zey are being clutched. Guys, you're not really that concerned, just jealous because he has made extra money and got to appear in a highly-rated show/you have a chip on your shoulders re the guards... amirite?

blade1 · 15-01-2014 04:11AM

Jonkenji wrote: »

He's the lead singer of a band also, is there anything this man can't do?

Yeah! Act!

jill_valentine · 15-01-2014 04:24AM

blade1 wrote: »

Yeah! Act!

Weirdly, there were a couple of times when I thought he was putting in a better turn than many of the actual actor actors on the show this year.

Daqster · 15-01-2014 07:26AM

Khomeini wrote: »

Awful show.

You'll get yourself clipped with talk like that.

How petty is this by the gardai?

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