Is a Satanic cult of global leaders and Vatican heads murdering children?

DamagedTrax wrote: »

if you've atteneded mass at all you're closer to it than you think.

I've attended quite a few christian and otherwise religious ceremonies, and I have to say I've never witnessed anything supernatural or magical at any of them.

DamagedTrax wrote: »

im not sure you would at an occult ceremony either. they're all justy ceremonial BS to play on peoples fears and guilts.

been to one, been to them all.

So, not actually occult then.

DamagedTrax wrote: »

in name only i would suggest.

I don't think most religious groups name their ceremonies as occult?

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Well...Not really.

Here is the first definition of "occult" that Google gave me. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/occult

Fair enough, here's the first one google gave me, for the sake of comparison:
occult
noun: occult; plural noun: occults
1.
mystical, supernatural, or magical powers, practices, or phenomena.
adjective: occult
1.
involving or relating to mystical, supernatural, or magical powers, practices, or phenomena.
The Oxford Dictionary seems to agree with to the one I found:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/occult
As does the Cambridge dictionary
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/occult_1
And Dictionary.com
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/occult

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Being a Catholic instantly covers definition 1 and being a mason de-facto covers definitions 1, 3 and 4 respectively.

Being Catholic could fit your definition 1, if you go by people believing that they are dealing with supernatural influences, agencies, or phenomena, but since there is no evidence that they are, I would say that Catholicism is not demonstrably occult.
For Masonry, point 1, nope, again as per Catholism with the exception that Masonry itself does not at all deal with (or attempt to engage with) the supernatural, only stipulates that members must acknowledge a supreme being.
Points 3 & 4 could certainly describe aspects of Freemasonry, but are not of themselves definitive of occult; my socks are currently hidden from view for instance, but are not at all occult. One may be slightly hol(e)y however.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I am not sure why you are denying this to be honest.

I wasn't aware I was being accused of anything? You asked me to correct me if you were wrong, and I did.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Obviously, you as a freemason know more about masonry than I do, but I've read about it for years - including masonic sources like Pike. Annie Beasant and Manly P Hall and from the little that I d o know, the only conclusion that can be drawn as far as I am concerned is that if you remove the occult from masonry then there won't be a whole lot left.

You've also read the various Masonic threads on Boards over the years; and it has been mentioned more than once that whilst certain Masons may choose to invest Freemasonry with religious/occult aspects this is not actually a part of Freemasonry, it is their personal perspective on Freemasonry. Without that point of view, those individuals might not find a lot left in Freemasonry to interest them, whereas other Freemasons have never been interested in that point of view at all.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

For example, the position of the Worshipful master is dictated by occult teachings. He is situated in the East of the lodge as the sun rises in the East etc.

You understand there is nothing occult about the sun rising in the East?
As the sun rises in the East to open and illumine the glorious day, so the Worshipful Master presides in the East, to open the Lodge, to rule and govern it with good and wholesome advice. Not occult; allegory.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Fair enough, we are not that far apart then so. However, you seem to be arguing that the absence of a Moriarty type figure negates the possibility of smaller networks operating which I don't think is or ought to be the case.

No, I'm saying that the lack of evidence of:
1) A satanic cult of global leaders and vatican heads
2) A large group of individuals engaged in child murder somewhere in the region of global leaders and vatican heads.
on the balance of probability suggests that these things don't exist.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Also, this, more than anything I can think of is likely have a "paucity of evidence". It is in nobody's interests for incidents of abuse to come out. It would operate in the deep underground and underworld. Factor in the connections this "eilite" would have to quash investigations and so on as well as every single survivor coming forward, likely to have their credibility destroyed through being emotionally destroyed and self-medicating through and their ordeals being able to be written-off as false memory syndrome.

The fact that people in power are likely to have a great facility to destroy evidence of misdemeanours still does not make it more likely that a lack of evidence points to a conspiracy than that it points to a lack of misdemeanors. If something isn't there it's far more likely that it's because it was never there than it's because somebody hid it.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

By these standards then nothing is actually "occult" as I don't believe that anything supernatural has ever been proven.

True.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

From the masonic dictionary. "Spirituality is the life of masonry".

You mean from a piece published in the builder magazine, and republished in masonicdictionary.com. You wouldn't want anyone to think you were quoting from an actual definitive dictionary of freemasonry as endorsed by the Grand Lodges would you? That would be sort of misleading.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Granted, but they couldn't find something if it wasn't actually there.

So we agree there is nothing occult about Freemasonry.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Of course I understand this. The occult significance comes through what it is believed to mean.

What it is believed to mean by whom? Just because you believe it's occult doesn't mean Freemasons do.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Freemasonry acknowledges the debt it owes to the mystery schools and the ancient sun worshipping cults for it's rituals and symbolism.

It does, and many more influences besides. But it doesn't acknowledge that there is anything occult about them.

I am absolutely positive that this story is true.

I am writing a book on a related topic.

Have a PhD, for whatever that's worth.

I just wanted to draw peoples attention to the fact that there are posters on every forum
like this to riddicule, distract, undermine, subvert, redirect, generally discombobulate
any thread that deals with a serious topic like this.

I was just speaking to a friend of mine in the UK a few days ago who is a software
engineer and he is convinced that 'they' are even using automated software for this purpose.

He based that on an analysis of the frequency of posts by some of these 'people'
which were physically impossible for a 'real' person.

That aside, the idea is to so annoy or inflame or denegrate a post/thread so that
people who were attracted to reading about the topic just give up 'cause its a waste
of time reading that stuff'. Which, of course, is the objective.

You can tell who these people are sometimes by going back over their thread history.

Typically, they have hundreds of posts and the vast majority are scornful.

As an experiment, I decided to look at the previous posts of the first poster on
this thread to fit the profile just described...

And sure enough, there they are, pouring riddicule on every serious subject you can imagine.

This has, of course, being going on for decades (see Operation Mockingbird/The Mighty Wurlitzer etc.).

It's just so much easier with people being anonymous.

You just have to learn to identify them asap and skip all their posts after that.

Easier said than done I grant.

Bye now.

Did anybody else notice how this thread has evolved to become about
whether we have the right to have this debate or not?

Not, like, an actual debate...

"By their fruits you shall know them".

Preface to New York Times bestselling 'Hostage to the Devil'.

October 1992.

Fr. Malachi Martin (a priest from Kerry)

"For obvious reasons, we don’t know everything about organized Satanist groups, or
covens as they are called, in the United States. But the ample knowledge we do have
justifies the fear among average families for their children and their way of life in the future.

We know, for example, that throughout all fifty states of the Union, there are now
something over 8,000 Satanist covens. We know that in any major American city or large
town, a Black Mass – almost always organized by covens – is available on a weekly basis at
least, and at several locations. We know that the average membership of Satanist covens is
drawn from all the professions as well as from among politicians, clergy, and religious.

We know further that within those covens, a certain amount of “specialization” has
come about. One can choose either a heterosexual or a homosexual coven, for example. In at
least three major cities, members of the clergy have at their disposal at least one pedophiliac
coven peopled and maintained exclusively by and for the clergy. Women religious can find a
lesbian coven maintained in a similar way. We know, too, that in many public schools in any
major city, it is a virtual surety that there is at least one group of teenagers engaged in ritualist
Satanism. And though we know very little -again for obvious reasons – about human sacrifice
as an element in ritualist Satanism, we do know that in certain covens in which confidentiality
is an absolute, life-or-death condition, the penalty for attempting to quit the coven is ritual
death by knife, with one stab wound inflicted for every year of the offending member’s life.

Hard admissible evidence concerning human sacrifice as an element in Satanist rituals is
limited by the fact that disposal of human remains has been developed into one of the dark art
forms within Satanist circles through use of portable incinerators and cremetoria; and because
there are no birth or baptismal records – no records of existence – of intended Victim infants.

Nevertheless, we have enormous amounts of anecdotal evidence indicating that some
thousands of infants and children are intentionally conceived and born to serve as Victims in
Satanist sacrificial rites. In the world of Satanist worship, boys are preferred as gender replicas
of the Christ Child. But girls are by no means excluded.

In this regard, the emergence of child abuse as a characteristic of our time must claim
particular attention. Not all – perhaps not even most – child abuse originates in ritualist
Satanism per se. Each case must be weighed on the evidence. But the extent of child abuse in
America today and the concrete evidence of Satanism as a factor in many such cases, begins
to give some idea of the degree to which the inverted standards that are the prime hallmark of
Satanist activity in any form – and of ritualist Satanism above all - have infiltrated and
influenced all levels of our society.

As horrifying as even that much information is – though it is not all of the information
we have, by any means – still more shocking is the realization of the fact that in this, the
America of the 1990s, one is never far from a center where such activity is carried out on a
routine basis. No one lives far from some geographical area where some form of ritualistic
Satanism is practiced. Ritualistic Satanism and its inevitable consequence, demonic
Possession, are now part and parcel of the atmosphere of life in America."

Waiting for the your next sarcastic response.... waiting....