luvhuntin wrote: »

I see another lad from Carlow was prosecuted for Deer poaching. A lot of lads from this county have now been prosecuted. I wonder if its better policing, more resources or what? Good work anyway by all involved.

The more that they catch the better

nice to see them clamping down on the poachers
now they need to clamp down on the licensed hunters thats shooting 50+ deer a year theirs even lads shooting 200+

3 years ago it was not uncommon for some ***** to be leaving in 200 deer into the gamedealers but over the last 2 years with the spot light on poaching and operation bambi its not as bad. I rang the n.p.w a couple of weeks ago over my permit and was speaking to a man who told me he was getting the rangers to investigate 2 permit holders who each shot over 40 deer each last year. Its a good sign that the n.p.s now see 40 deer being shot as something to investigate

villa1979 wrote: »

3 years ago it was not uncommon for some ***** to be leaving in 200 deer into the gamedealers but over the last 2 years with the spot light on poaching and operation bambi its not as bad. I rang the n.p.w a couple of weeks ago over my permit and was speaking to a man who told me he was getting the rangers to investigate 2 permit holders who each shot over 40 deer each last year. Its a good sign that the n.p.s now see 40 deer being shot as something to investigate

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Now that the shine a light on poaching is showing results it surely time for the next step and regulate what lads can let into dealers.
Eg follow ups for fellas on the dole who let in animals these guys have all week long to shoot.
They don't contribute to the country why should they make pocket money from it natural resources.

wexfordman2 wrote: »

The fear I have is the crackdown in Wicklow may simply be pushing people out to other areas.

Very true didn't think of that.

it has pushed the poachers into parts of the country where the chances of getting caught are slim like kilquigen, clonmore, and mount leinster, are getting lamped to death no rangers around those areas at all

richiedel123 wrote: »

I also think this is as big a problem as poaching. I know fellas shooting 100,200,even 300 plus a year. Most these lads are probably in syndicates all over the country but in my opinion that doesn't matter taking that amount of deer is wrong. There will be feck all there for future generations. I for 1 would like to be able to bring the kids out wit me when older to see what it's all about. But if trends stay going the way they are there will be nothing to go out for :-(

300 deer a year would be hard to do even if using a lamp, it would be an average of 15 a week.

Sadly here in slieve blooms we have Gentlrmen boasting of.. 160 and in excess of 240 shot to date. With so few Rangers in place what can be done to stop this.One of these days there will be nothing left. So how about tags as in North America?

hathcock wrote: »

I gave 15 seasons deer stalking,I packed it up 3 years ago for some of the following reasons,it became dangerous out there with the number of high powered rifles out there at all times of the day and night[someone will be killed sooner or later imo]also I didn't want to further contribute to the deer population crash in this neck of the woods.The fun went out of it when everywhere you went someone else had been there before you,nothing to meet 3 or even 4 different groups. from all over the country in one small area,pity it was a great sport till money came into it.

I am getting the same got 1 this year myself and only went out once in the past 3 months just for the walk more than anything. Last year I put the gun away in October. I just find numbers are way down so I don't want to contribute to the decline by taking deer numbers. Also to old and grey I also stalk around the slieve blooms and it is men shooting this area I was speaking about

wexfordman2 wrote: »

Tackle the point where money is made.

Do the same as the scrap metal trade in London. No more cash deals, everything should go through bank accounts. Leaves a paper trail to follow.

Scrap metal and poaching seem to attract the same type of person, and as long as it is all cash that won't change :mad::mad::mad:

Met a farmer from one of my permissions (I'm in east cork ) yesterday and he was spitting as he came across a lad after deer in his land last Friday who he never knew. Tackled him in it, the guy told him, "i have the lease for the woods next to you" like he had some form of right to be in this guy's land as a result of it.

wexfordman2 wrote: »

Met a farmer from one of my permissions (I'm in east cork ) yesterday and he was spitting as he came across a lad after deer in his land last Friday who he never knew. Tackled him in it, the guy told him, "i have the lease for the woods next to you" like he had some form of right to be in this guy's land as a result of it.

tikkahunter wrote: »

Thats not poaching though , thats a lad chancing his arm a lot of us have done at some stage,i wouldnt really have a problem with anyone taking the odd deer like that for the pot ,it is the lads going up and clearing out an area for profit ,let all money coming from game dealers be taxable and paid into bank accounts ,that would be a start. Once social welfare and revenue see whats coming in then lads will be last eager to do it , if you are out lamping at 3-4 in the morning then your more than likely on the scratcher and that game handling coarse that i paid a fortune for was free to do.

If you don't consider shooting deer on someonelse's land/lease,, on which you have no permission to do so, poaching, I'd love to know what you think poaching is ?????????

tikkahunter wrote: »

i stated in the reply what i considered poaching i.e wiping out whole areas for profit

Would you not consider trespass with a firearm in pursuit of game poaching?it's theft whatever way you look at it,you quoted the extreme end of it,however none of it is right it's just a matter of degree.

tikkahunter wrote: »

i stated in the reply what i considered poaching i.e wiping out whole areas for profit

Well I think what you consider poaching and what I'd say almost everyone else here considers poaching differs greatly :rolleyes:

If he didnt have permission to be on lands then its poaching. Makes no difference whether its 1 Deer or a dozen. End off

hathcock wrote: »

Would you not consider trespass with a firearm in pursuit of game poaching?it's theft whatever way you look at it,you quoted the extreme end of it,however none of it is right it's just a matter of degree.

Everybody loves to roll that Trespassing with a firearm one out, in reality how many lads are going to get done for it ,maybe if they go in to the land owners front garden but someone out on land they should not really be on are just going to get thrown off by the land owner or the lads that have permission, we all know the true use of the term for poaching is the illegal practice of trespassing on another's property to hunt or steal game without the landowner's permission but the original op is about the lads who are getting done for it,they are on a massive scale and not just taking the odd deer for the pot that is what im talking about.
For instance on my club land we release a fair amount of birds every year but we have local lads and even neighboring clubs come on to our land, ok you catch the local lads and you march them off but they will just come back on the days we dont shoot the land, to be honest they are alright lads and i do feel a bit sorry for them that they can not get into their local club and in reality them taking the odd few birds is not going to make much of a difference , there are members taking the piss more than them.
Same with my Deer permissions, it is not poached heavy , same type of thing local lads might take the odd deer for the pot , i have caught them and just said it out straight take the odd deer but dont take the piss and in fairness they dont , now if they start coming back up with lamps and raping the land there will be a problem but in 5 years there hasnt been.

wexfordman2 wrote: »

Agree with you on the sale of venison, but your wrong 're the fella above not poaching as far as I'm concerned. If he had caught me on his lease, I would have been accused of poaching and had no defence.

Same applies.

Ok say your on your permission and your heading along the bordering lease and you spot a nice 8 pointer in a fire break 30 yards in , what you going do, i know i would do what most would do , pop him and get out.So if that lad is on your permission you have free reign to go on to his

Kat1170 wrote: »

Well I think what you consider poaching and what I'd say almost everyone else here considers poaching differs greatly :rolleyes:

How many members are on this forum?,now how many of them are in clubs? , now out of whats left how many shoot on land they shouldnt really be on.Well i can assure you it will be a very high percentage , do you even hunt or go shooting? Most people even club members will go down a ditch or cross a bit of land they have no permission to be on , and no i wouldnt call them poachers i would just say they are chancing their arm, now head on back to the cookery forum.

daithi55 wrote: »

id class it as poaching
havent permission to be on it same as lads going round shooting phesants on and there not supposed to be on

td5 wrote: »

If he didnt have permission to be on lands then its poaching. Makes no difference whether its 1 Deer or a dozen. End off

Ok this getting a bit scewed compared to what i was saying i have tried to explain above what i would consider poaching and a lad just chancing his arm , lads taking the odd deer or pheasant or shooting the odd ditch they shouldnt is not going to cause much of a problem in the long run ,it is the high scale stuff that will ruin it ,the lads that got convicted are not even the worst offenders , In Wicklow you have one who just does what he likes ,he uses his company van with the name on the side ,he is mates with rangers so noting is said to him , you have one of the worst ones around doing seminars for an association , these are the type that should be jailed not just loose their licenses, these type are the ones i would have a problem with, the lads that take the odd one for the pot i dont .
Lads come on here all high and mighty castigating this fella and that fella and i can bet they have done something themselves in some walk of life just as bad, it was like the uproar the other week when a lad took the time and effort to make a video and then got slaughtered for throwing a few empty shells in to a ditch something that everybody has done at some stage , but instead of thanking the lad for posting the video they got up on their moral soap box and tried to beat him down.

tikkahunter wrote: »

Everybody loves to roll that Trespassing with a firearm one out, in reality how many lads are going to get done for it ,maybe if they go in to the land owners front garden but someone out on land they should not really be on are just going to get thrown off by the land owner or the lads that have permission, we all know the true use of the term for poaching is the illegal practice of trespassing on another's property to hunt or steal game without the landowner's permission but the original op is about the lads who are getting done for it,they are on a massive scale and not just taking the odd deer for the pot that is what im talking about.
For instance on my club land we release a fair amount of birds every year but we have local lads and even neighboring clubs come on to our land, ok you catch the local lads and you march them off but they will just come back on the days we dont shoot the land, to be honest they are alright lads and i do feel a bit sorry for them that they can not get into their local club and in reality them taking the odd few birds is not going to make much of a difference , there are members taking the piss more than them.
Same with my Deer permissions, it is not poached heavy , same type of thing local lads might take the odd deer for the pot , i have caught them and just said it out straight take the odd deer but dont take the piss and in fairness they dont , now if they start coming back up with lamps and raping the land there will be a problem but in 5 years there hasnt been.

Ok say your on your permission and your heading along the bordering lease and you spot a nice 8 pointer in a fire break 30 yards in , what you going do, i know i would do what most would do , pop him and get out.So if that lad is on your permission you have free reign to go on to his

How many members are on this forum?,now how many of them are in clubs? , now out of whats left how many shoot on land they shouldnt really be on.Well i can assure you it will be a very high percentage , do you even hunt or go shooting? Most people even club members will go down a ditch or cross a bit of land they have no permission to be on , and no i wouldnt call them poachers i would just say they are chancing their arm, now head on back to the cookery forum.



Ok this getting a bit scewed compared to what i was saying i have tried to explain above what i would consider poaching and a lad just chancing his arm , lads taking the odd deer or pheasant or shooting the odd ditch they shouldnt is not going to cause much of a problem in the long run ,it is the high scale stuff that will ruin it ,the lads that got convicted are not even the worst offenders , In Wicklow you have one who just does what he likes ,he uses his company van with the name on the side ,he is mates with rangers so noting is said to him , you have one of the worst ones around doing seminars for an association , these are the type that should be jailed not just loose their licenses, these type are the ones i would have a problem with, the lads that take the odd one for the pot i dont .
Lads come on here all high and mighty castigating this fella and that fella and i can bet they have done something themselves in some walk of life just as bad, it was like the uproar the other week when a lad took the time and effort to make a video and then got slaughtered for throwing a few empty shells in to a ditch something that everybody has done at some stage , but instead of thanking the lad for posting the video they got up on their moral soap box and tried to beat him down.

Bit like yourself when it comes to someone else's preferred choice of clothing
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: and when it comes to your understanding of what poaching is you clearly looked the definition up in the cooking forum yourself.

Cass wrote: »

Personally, and if anyone considers this taking the moral high ground/on my high horse then so be it, if someone is on my permissions without permission then they are trespassing and i'll report to the land owner, Gardaí and anyone else i can think of.

I'e spent too much time building up my permissions, keeping in with the land owners, not abusing "the system", and doing my bit during the off season for some "lad" to come on and steal from it.

Last year the lad that owns one of my permissions got talking to me. He was throwing everyone (all four of us) off the land because of poaching and lads taking liberties (trespassing). I apologised to him for their actions and said no bother. He then told me that as i had permissions from everyone, and done "security" for him at night i could stay on.

I've caught two lads in the last year on land that i know only i have permission on. One i know well and is a prolific "hunter" that will, if allowed, clear the land within a couple of years. I'll be fecked if i give the opportunity to come onto the land for one, and get a toe in the door.

This is the type i am referring to as what i class as poachers, some one who will just come in an clear out a place in no time and not give a **** about anybody but himself and profit, but as i said i turn a blind eye to the odd one for the pot but anything more than that and there will be a problem .

Tika,

In answer to your question what would I do if I saw a deer in neighbouring land that I had no permission on ?

I would curse a little, watch him a while, and then walk away. Done it loads of times.

If I don't have permission, I dint shoot it, the logic of what you are saying gives me the right to shoot in coilte land or lirvate land without any care or thought for the landowner.

It's an absolute no no for me, no way would I do it.

wexfordman2 wrote: »

Tika,

In answer to your question what would I do if I saw a deer in neighbouring land that I had no permission on ?

I would curse a little, watch him a while, and then walk away. Done it loads of times.

If I don't have permission, I dint shoot it, the logic of what you are saying gives me the right to shoot in coilte land or lirvate land without any care or thought for the landowner.

It's an absolute no no for me, no way would I do it.

Your more honest than me or a lot of lads i know

Cass wrote: »

Same as that, plus a lot of permissions i have the land owners make sure it's me, and at most one or two others. They make it a point to tell us to run anyone else. So if it's between me and another lad with no permission anyway you can guess which one i'm doing.

I know what you're saying but if anything goes wrong i'm the first person the land owner comes to. If it continues then he'll ban everyone from the land, me included, to ensure anyone on it is trespassing.


This lad i caught with a gun on his shoulder on my permission and him trying to tell me he had permission too (which i knew was a lie). He told me he was not shooting, then a lad appears from the ditch about 30 yards down the field pulling a deer. He tells me he shoot the deer (his mate dragging it) yet his mate had no gun. As we were "talking" the land owner arrived. Never seen a lad go so white.

He has a reputation for going around the permissions and when money fails to get the shooting, he tells the farmers lies about those shooting on the land in the hope he'll throw them off and he can move in. Sneaky *****.

Saw his car once more this season so went to the land owners and gave them his car details, reg, name, etc. Told them who he was, and if they see him he is nothing to do with me.


This is the reason i hate "people" that will not respect the work needed to get, and maintain, permissions and why i won't tolerate any trespass.

Fair enough i can understand where your coming from on this, i just want to make it clear i in no way condone a lad being on land he had no permission on, i just dont view it as bad as the high scale stuff and view it more as a lad chancing his arm and thats all i was tyring to say, i just think some of the main culprits have defo someone in their pockets because it is public knowledge in the shooting committee who they are and yet they can still roam free to do what they want.