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Ethiopian Airlines to use Dublin as a transit hub

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  • #2
    ardmacha
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    stopthepanic wrote: »
    http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/15-04-16/Ethiopian_Airlines_To_Use_Dublin_For_Transit_Stops.aspx

    Since the stop is westbound only and they are not accepting passengers, would Shannon not have been a cheaper and less congested airport?


  • #3
    Peregrine
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    ardmacha wrote: »
    Since the stop is westbound only and they are not accepting passengers, would Shannon not have been a cheaper and less congested airport?

    We haven't heard the outcome of their fifth freedom application, have we? Or is this DAA's way of saying ET didn't get it?

    Anyway, I don't think ADD-SNN would be very popular. Plus there's the cost of operating at two different airports.

    7 777s and 3 787s plus 3 787s (return ADD-DUB-LAX route) per week. That's a lot of new metal for DUB!


  • #4
    ardmacha
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    Nim wrote: »
    Anyway, I don't think ADD-SNN would be very popular.

    ADD - DUB is probably adequately served by the LAX flight.
    In any case flights that go ADD - DUB, but not DUB - ADD aren't much use, except for asylum seekers.


  • #5
    stopthepanic
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    Nim wrote: »
    We haven't heard the outcome if their fifth freedom application, have we? Or is this DAA's way of saying ET didn't get it?

    Anyway, I don't think ADD-SNN would be very popular.

    10 777s and 3 787s plus 3 787s (return) on the ADD-DUB-LAX route per week. That's a lot of new metal for DUB!

    They got the fifth freedom rights alright, granted last year. This is in addition to the ADD-DUB-LAX route that they can pick up pax.

    http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/14-10-10/Dublin_Airport_Welcomes_New_Routes_To_Los_Angeles_And_Addis_Ababa-178070764.aspx


  • #6
    54and56
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    I saw an advert on a Dublin Bus last week promoting their Dublin to Los Angeles flights from something like €368!! I only saw the advert for a split second so maybe I got the price wrong or that its + taxes etc etc. Sounds like a great deal and on a dreamliner too!!


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  • #7
    Peregrine
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    stopthepanic wrote: »
    They got the fifth freedom rights alright, granted last year. This is in addition to the ADD-DUB-LAX route that they can pick up pax.

    http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/14-10-10/Dublin_Airport_Welcomes_New_Routes_To_Los_Angeles_And_Addis_Ababa-178070764.aspx
    Oh, I know they got it for DUB-LAX, I meant for DUB-IAD and YYZ.


  • #8
    [Deleted User]
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    Why split your operation in two? The whole point was getting them into one airport to reduce costs. Dublin ISN'T congested at 0530 in the morning.


  • #9
    Foggy43
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    Nim wrote: »
    and 3 787s plus 3 787s (on the return ADD-DUB-LAX route) per week. That's a lot of new metal for DUB!

    You mean 'plastic' :D


  • #10
    [Deleted User]
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    Nim wrote: »
    We haven't heard the outcome if their fifth freedom application, have we? Or is this DAA's way of saying ET didn't get it?

    Anyway, I don't think ADD-SNN would be very popular. Plus there's the cost of operating at two different airports.

    10 777s and 3 787s plus 3 787s (on the return ADD-DUB-LAX route) per week. That's a lot of new metal for DUB!

    It's 7x777(daily but these on occasion have been 787s) and 3+3 787's


  • #11
    Peregrine
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's 7x777(daily but these on occasion have been 787s) and 3+3 787's

    Oops, yeah. Thinking there are 10 days in a week is probably a sign for me to go back to bed :pac:


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  • #12
    Delta Kilo
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    Due to the altitude in Addis Ababa, Ethiopian are unable to take off with the full compliment of fuel/pax/cargo to make it to the states in one hop. This is why its westbound only. Return flights to ADD are one way. They currently stop in various European airports to refuel, so I guess it's a way of streamlining operations and probably reduce cost to have it all in one airport.


  • #13
    stopthepanic
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    Delta Kilo wrote: »
    They currently stop in various European airports to refuel, so I guess it's a way of streamlining operations and probably reduce cost to have it all in one airport.

    I believe these aircraft used to stop in Rome.


  • #14
    LXFlyer
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    This is rather old news - it was mentioned here two weeks ago!!

    Post #159 (by myself!) lists the times/days http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95086956&postcount=159


  • #15
    stopthepanic
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    lxflyer wrote: »
    This is rather old news - it was mentioned here two weeks ago!!

    I did look at the ADD-DUB-LAX thread to see if it was mentioned before I posted but obviously didn't spot it, and it seems like a few others didn't see it either.


  • #16
    my friend
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    ardmacha wrote: »
    Since the stop is westbound only and they are not accepting passengers, would Shannon not have been a cheaper and less congested airport?

    It's better to claim asylum in Dublin


  • #17
    Peregrine
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    It's at the end of the ADD-DUB-LAX thread. From around the 13th.

    Anyway, it's probably better to have a seperate thread for this. People were thinking thinking that these are return flights like ADD-DUB-LAX.


  • #18
    arubex
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    my friend wrote: »
    It's better to claim asylum in Dublin

    Not half!

    Back in the 70s / 80s several defecting Soviet citizens were disappointed to find themselves in Shannon rather than Gander. I believe one group even demanded that they be flown to Canada!


  • #19
    LiamaDelta
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    Nim wrote: »
    It's at the end of the ADD-DUB-LAX thread. From around the 13th.

    Anyway, it's probably better to have a seperate thread for this. People were thinking thinking that these are return flights like ADD-DUB-LAX.

    Correct or the title needs to be changed. only the ADD-DUB-LAX and return route could be considered transit. The rest is just a refuelling stop.


  • #20
    Delta Kilo
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    stopthepanic wrote: »
    I believe these aircraft used to stop in Rome.

    Correct you are. I must have been confused over the one that took an excursion to Switzerland...




    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26222674


  • #21
    LiamaDelta
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    Any chance of correcting the spelling in the thread title....if it's not too much of a PAIN!


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  • #22
    Tenger
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    ardmacha wrote: »
    .....
    In any case flights that go ADD - DUB, but not DUB - ADD aren't much use, except for asylum seekers.
    my friend wrote: »
    It's better to claim asylum in Dublin

    This was a nice thread till you two added a little stereotypical xenophobia into it. Don't do it again.


  • #23
    ardmacha
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    The LAX flight and the desire to keep things in one place probably give DUB the advantage here, but SNN should be in a position to pick up some refuelling business where this occurs only oneway. Indeed the US immigration might make a stop a reasonable use of passenger time.


  • #24
    LXFlyer
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    ardmacha wrote: »
    The LAX flight and the desire to keep things in one place probably give DUB the advantage here, but SNN should be in a position to pick up some refuelling business where this occurs only oneway. Indeed the US immigration might make a stop a reasonable use of passenger time.

    As posted in the other thread they are not using USCBP on any of their flights.


  • #25
    ozzy jr
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    There must be plenty of other airlines that do similar refueling stops in Europe on the way to the USA. I wonder if we could see some more using Dublin as a stopover.


  • #26
    EchoIndia
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    ozzy jr wrote: »
    There must be plenty of other airlines that do similar refueling stops in Europe on the way to the USA. I wonder if we could see some more using Dublin as a stopover.

    There aren't many. Singapore operate SIN-FRA-JFK daily with A380s so that won't be moving, for several reasons.


  • #27
    Mebuntu
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    Aer Lingus upset by Ethiopian arrival.

    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/airline-boss-claims-ethiopian-is-disrupting-hub-plans-31194456.html


  • #28
    Tenger
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    Mebuntu wrote: »
    Aer Lingus upset by Ethiopian arrival.

    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/airline-boss-claims-ethiopian-is-disrupting-hub-plans-31194456.html
    If EI dont like it they should be talking to DAA not complaining in the media. Looks immature and as if they are upset.
    Not a very professional move by the new CEO


  • #29
    LXFlyer
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    Given that the transit stops won't use a terminal stand, and are on the ground between 04:50 and 05:50 daily and 05:00 and 06:00 three days a week I'm not sure where he's coming from? They are hardly going to cause much congestion at those hours.

    The LAX flight will be on the ground at T1 from 05:00 to 06:15 westbound and 18:30 to 19:45 eastbound three days a week - again hardly going to cause problems.

    Sounds more like sour grapes to me.


  • #30
    [Deleted User]
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    lxflyer wrote: »
    Given that the transit stops won't use a terminal stand, and are on the ground between 04:50 and 05:50 daily and 05:00 and 06:00 three days a week I'm not sure where he's coming from? They are hardly going to cause much congestion at those hours.

    The LAX flight will be on the ground at T1 from 05:00 to 06:15 westbound and 18:30 to 19:45 eastbound three days a week - again hardly going to cause problems.

    Sounds more like sour grapes to me.

    Basically EI were asked to restart LAX but said no as they could get big business to buy lots of seats to SFO instead, no Ethiopian starts up LAX and EI know they have dropped the ball and are will most likely try and start the route next year and squeeze Ethiopian out. It's a cheap way of starting a fight. EI want to be the transit airline through Dublin and don't want to lose ground on their own turf


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  • #31
    LXFlyer
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Basically EI were asked to restart LAX but said no as they could get big business to buy lots of seats to SFO instead, no Ethiopian starts up LAX and EI know they have dropped the ball and are will most likely try and start the route next year and squeeze Ethiopian out. It's a cheap way of starting a fight. EI want to be the transit airline through Dublin and don't want to lose ground on their own turf

    Which to me translates as sour grapes as I posted above!

    I'm all in favour of EI developing their business, but to start moaning to the press and claiming that the Ethiopian flights will cause congestion when clearly they won't is pretty much up there with MOL's facetious claim that EI weren't using their hangar when they obviously were.

    I'd expect better of Aer Lingus to be honest than to be putting false claims out, simply because they missed an opportunity.


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