new standard for carry on luggage proposed.

18MonthsaSlave · 11-06-2015 11:25PM #1

http://dohanews.co/qatar-airways-looks-to-adopt-smaller-carry-on-luggage-standards/

the standard proposed is the same as the one in use for ryanair and aer lingus except 35cm wide instead of 40cm so that means you'd loose about 6.5 litres of capacity.

No evidence that Irish carriers are interested in this at this stage.

Locker10a · 13-06-2015 03:22PM

The way forward is counting bags at the gate and offloading pre boarding! There is locker space for trolly bags for about one third of the seating capacity on economy aircraft, and with baggage charges here to stay the size of carry on bags will make little difference they simply all can't fit in the cabin even if everyone brought one that's to standard!

arubex · 13-06-2015 04:53PM

Yep that's IATA for you, always finding new ways to screw-over passengers. Should have been destroyed as a cartel in the 1960s.

Another reason to fly non-IATA airlines... hello Easyjet and goodbye Flybe.

Locker10a · 13-06-2015 05:16PM

arubex wrote: »

Yep that's IATA for you, always finding new ways to screw-over passengers. Should have been destroyed as a cartel in the 1960s.

Another reason to fly non-IATA airlines... hello Easyjet and goodbye Flybe.

I don't think IATA or IATA airlines really are much different it's not going to make much of a difference to be honest ! Ok the size might slightly vary but how often is this actually checked? (very seldom in my experience) people will continue to bring loads of hand luggage and bags will continue to be offloaded and flights will continue to be late pushing back as a result!! I head a figure from ryanair and I could be wrong but from my memory they estimate they offload 10 MILLION cabin bags per year !! There is simply not enough space for everyone to take trolly bags onboard !

18MonthsaSlave · 13-06-2015 07:05PM

I do my part. I have a squishy "cabinmax" bag which conforms to standards.
If they reduce the standard by 6 litres I'll make do somehow and buy another smaller compliant bag.

My outbound and return flights were full. There simply isn't enough space for all the oversized bags.
I keep away from the departure gate until final boarding to avoid staff cornering me, tagging my bag and putting it in the hold.

Can you imagine how much it must pain Mick to be paying staff like he was on my Tuesday flight to be tagging bags and throwing them in the hold without getting paid for them.

Cessna_Pilot · 14-06-2015 12:16AM

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

Can you imagine how much it must pain Mick to be paying staff like he was on my Tuesday flight to be tagging bags and throwing them in the hold without getting paid for them.

Not too much I imagine...

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/may/26/ryanair-profits-soar-66-as-charm-offensive-reaps-rewards

murphaph · 14-06-2015 07:37AM

Flew EasyJet to Budapest yesterday. They asked as we were dropping our checked suitcase if we wanted to also check in our hand luggage for free. I asked if it's because the flight was full (which it turned out to be) and she said no, just standard policy to ask.

This seems a sensible way to divert bags to hold for all concerned as such passengers already have to go to the carousel on the other end anyway.

man98 · 14-06-2015 02:22PM

Weren't Airbus getting on to Boeing about the size of their cabin luggage area? They said it after Ryanair made their 737 MAX order. Can't see this happening, it'd mean I'd have to buy a new bag too.

bk · 14-06-2015 02:31PM

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

I do my part. I have a squishy "cabinmax" bag which conforms to standards.
If they reduce the standard by 6 litres I'll make do somehow and buy another smaller compliant bag.

I've the same bag, awesome bag. This bag in conjunction with a compression bag allows me to carry weeks worth of clothes in my carry on

God help me if Ryanair ever ask to weight it, it is well over 10kg!

I wouldn't worry about buying a new bag with these new rules, simply put less in it and pull the retraining straps in and it should fit within these new requirements just fine.

I find almost all airlines are much more relaxed about these sort of soft bags then hardcased wheelie bags.

McWotever · 14-06-2015 02:46PM

I can't understand the need for people to have to have their (cabin) luggage in the cabin. How much stuff do you realistically need with you for the flight?

Smart phone, ear phones, book/paper, tablet, maybe a laptop?

I can't see any need to have a couple of changes of underwear and clothes for a few days during the flight.

You want to take my cabin luggage and put it in the hold and charge me nothing for that service.... Knock yerself out lads, be my guest.

bk · 14-06-2015 02:52PM

McWotever wrote: »

I can't understand the need for people to have to have their (cabin) luggage in the cabin. How much stuff do you realistically need with you for the flight?

Smart phone, ear phones, book/paper, tablet, maybe a laptop?

You might be carrying lots of other expensive equipment. For instance high end DSLR camera and lenses. Expensive hiking gear, etc. I'm not checking any of that expensive gear.

IRLConor · 15-06-2015 12:03PM

bk wrote: »

You might be carrying lots of other expensive equipment. For instance high end DSLR camera and lenses. Expensive hiking gear, etc. I'm not checking any of that expensive gear.

Spare a thought for those of us who are required to check in expensive gear due to size and/or restrictions. Thank god for Peli is all I can say!

markpb · 15-06-2015 01:51PM

McWotever wrote: »

I can't understand the need for people to have to have their (cabin) luggage in the cabin. How much stuff do you realistically need with you for the flight?

Smart phone, ear phones, book/paper, tablet, maybe a laptop?

I can't see any need to have a couple of changes of underwear and clothes for a few days during the flight.

Airlines created the demand for carry-on luggage by charging for checked luggage. It should hardly come as a surprise that people want to bring more aboard.

Plus some people have a good need to bring lots onboard, parents are the obvious category.

eatmyshorts · 15-06-2015 02:12PM

The size factor is an issue, but a much more important problem is the weight.
Overhead luggage bins have a weight limit restriction, which is clearly never enforced. In the event of an accident, the overload may cause structural failure of the bin mountings, resulting in a 100 kg missile being propelled through the cabin at passengers heads.

A Dub in Glasgo · 17-06-2015 04:45PM

A big part of the problem is the inability of people to use the space under the seat in front

spurious · 17-06-2015 04:47PM

If it doesn't fit under the seat in front of you, it's too big. Simple rule.

arubex · 17-06-2015 05:11PM

spurious wrote: »

If it doesn't fit under the seat in front of you, it's too big. Simple rule.

Sucks then if there's an IFE box under the seat ahead of you...

Tenger · 17-06-2015 05:26PM

markpb wrote: »

Airlines created the demand for carry-on luggage by charging for checked luggage. It should hardly come as a surprise that people want to bring more aboard......

I'm a fan of this logic. By charging to check-in it encourages/makes people carry everything onboard. This results in non-essential items in the cabin which takes up all the space (and adds extra weight to the O/H bins)

This also increases the possibility of bags being offloaded to be placed into the hold,which increases flight delays and pax unhappiness. Regardless of where the bag is the airline is still carrying it around. I would be a fan of the airline levelling a E2 increase to all fares and allowing 1 checked in bag.

Many airlines already do similar with their higher fares. The problem is the accountancy led mgmt of airlines which aims to present the lowest possible "headline fare" for the pax, regardless of how indicative this is of the final figure.

eatmyshorts wrote: »

The size factor is an issue, but a much more important problem is the weight.
Overhead luggage bins have a weight limit restriction, which is clearly never enforced. In the event of an accident, the overload may cause structural failure of the bin mountings, resulting in a 100 kg missile being propelled through the cabin at passengers heads.

A Dub in Glasgo · 17-06-2015 06:59PM

arubex wrote: »

Sucks then if there's an IFE box under the seat ahead of you...

Tiny proportion of seats affected by this

OldBean · 17-06-2015 07:05PM

bk wrote: »

You might be carrying lots of other expensive equipment. For instance high end DSLR camera and lenses. Expensive hiking gear, etc. I'm not checking any of that expensive gear.

IRLConor wrote: »

Spare a thought for those of us who are required to check in expensive gear due to size and/or restrictions. Thank god for Peli is all I can say!

Absolutely. It's a right pain in the backside for people who fly often and who really can't check in their luggage because of the expense/importance of what's in there and have the Peli flight case, which is now about 2 - 3cm out.

18MonthsaSlave · 17-06-2015 07:09PM

Tenger wrote: »

The problem is the accountancy led mgmt of airlines which aims to present the lowest possible "headline fare" for the pax, regardless of how indicative this is of the final figure.

The headline fare is the fare I pay so I consider it indicative of the final figure. No cross-subsidisation thank you.

arubex · 17-06-2015 07:28PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Tiny proportion of seats affected by this

IFE box locations:

Every economy 'C seat on an Aer Lingus A333.
Every economy C and D seat on United's international B752s.

Those are just ones I've encountered personally.

Even worse, I've just looked at the seat-plan for Qatar's nine-abreast 787 economy as a random example and there are six IFE boxes per row.

Your definition of 'tiny' is unusual.

A Dub in Glasgo · 17-06-2015 07:36PM

arubex wrote: »

Your definition of 'tiny' is unusual.

Not really considering those are long haul destinations and people will have bags checked into the hold therefore luggage space in the bins should not be much of an issue.

I have never been on a short haul flight that has has an IFE box taking up the space in front and I have been quite a few hundred flights

man98 · 18-06-2015 12:50AM

Just wondering about FR's trial for IFE (movie streaking to your mobile device iirc?) which is meant to start this or next winter in the refits, don't suppose the wifi box would take up much space?
On a side note, good luck to anyone trying to put a bag under the A380 window seats if 11 abreast comes around...

IRLConor · 18-06-2015 08:44AM

OldBean wrote: »

Absolutely. It's a right pain in the backside for people who fly often and who really can't check in their luggage because of the expense/importance of what's in there and have the Peli flight case, which is now about 2 - 3cm out.

Pay good attention to the layout of the internal foam if you end up regularly checking a Peli. I have to check mine in all the time (it's a rifle case) but there have been a good few times when parts have come loose or partially torn the foam due to rough handling. Nothing broken yet, luckily.

OldBean · 18-06-2015 09:22AM

IRLConor wrote: »

Pay good attention to the layout of the internal foam if you end up regularly checking a Peli. I have to check mine in all the time (it's a rifle case) but there have been a good few times when parts have come loose or partially torn the foam due to rough handling. Nothing broken yet, luckily.

I've had one of those foam layouts in the past and hated traveling with it - I went for the divider layout and doubled up the dividers where necessary to gave peace of mind!

Even then, it's worth grabbing some heavy suede/fake suede bags (similar to this) for your optics and shiny bits.

Is it correct that Aer Lingus and some other airlines are not part of this lobby group?

munchkin_utd · 18-06-2015 12:01PM

it was in the german papers today that this proposal (made in Miami after some cocktails and partying no doubt) is not going down well so will be not implemented widely if at all and its expected to be reviewed at the next meeting.

IRLConor · 18-06-2015 04:04PM

OldBean wrote: »

I've had one of those foam layouts in the past and hated traveling with it - I went for the divider layout and doubled up the dividers where necessary to gave peace of mind!

My stuff looks like this and unfortunately the barrel & action are heavy enough to rip through dividers if I used them. As it is, that part will happily push through the foam at the narrow ends. That's why I have other pieces in there as stiffeners. I should probably get harder foam, tbh.

OldBean wrote: »

Is it correct that Aer Lingus and some other airlines are not part of this lobby group?

My guess is that this story has a lot longer to run before stuff actually starts changing. Each airline will have to weigh up whether or not the benefits are worth the complaints from their customers.

bk · 20-06-2015 11:08AM

Tenger wrote: »

I would be a fan of the airline levelling a E2 increase to all fares and allowing 1 checked in bag.

I'm sure it would cost a lot more €2 increase to allow everyone to check their luggage. Think about it:

- You need far more staff to man the check in desks if everyone is suddenly checking bags.
- You need to pay the airport for these extra desks
- You need pay the airport to handle each piece of luggage.

And the biggest issue, if someone checks a bag but then doesn't turn up at the gate, you have to delay the flight and take all the bags off to find the passengers luggage for security reasons.

The above reasons is why Ryanair goes to such lengths to discourage checked luggage, not really the weight.

And as a person who regularly flies with just carry on, why should I be subsidising idiots who have to bring the kitchen sink on a weekend city break?

Locker10a · 23-06-2015 05:47PM

bk wrote: »

I'm sure it would cost a lot more €2 increase to allow everyone to check their luggage. Think about it:

- You need far more staff to man the check in desks if everyone is suddenly checking bags.
- You need to pay the airport for these extra desks
- You need pay the airport to handle each piece of luggage.

And the biggest issue, if someone checks a bag but then doesn't turn up at the gate, you have to delay the flight and take all the bags off to find the passengers luggage for security reasons.

The above reasons is why Ryanair goes to such lengths to discourage checked luggage, not really the weight.

And as a person who regularly flies with just carry on, why should I be subsidising idiots who have to bring the kitchen sink on a weekend city break?

Thats all fine and dandy, as long as those same people understand there is not the capacity in the lockers for everyones bag and some bags on busy flight will have to go into the hold anyway! In my opinion the best way to prevent delays is have well staffed boarding procedures and actively take large bags before/during boarding, this will prevent delays, in my experience (and i do this everyday at work) delays occur as a result of poor ground staff who let all the pax onboard with trolly bags! This results in chaos onboard while trying to offload bags

Fred Swanson · 24-06-2015 08:47AM

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arubex · 24-06-2015 09:02AM

Well the reasons people take huge cabin bags are:

1. Hold charges
2. Slow baggage reclaim at airports
3. Valuable / breakable / stealable objects
4. Incidents such as UAL271 at Belfast when the airline refused to offload hold bags for the overnighting passengers

Personally I don't blame the passengers for taking bags right up to the physical limits. They're just responding to inefficiencies and costs in the airline system.

Maybe Aeroflot had it right with the walk-through self-service underfloor storage racks?

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/Siberia04/ILW5.jpg

new standard for carry on luggage proposed.

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