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The English and their weird fascist nationalism again.

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  • #62
    Dirty Dingus McGee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Was that before or after making political statements ?

    The only political statement made was the playing of a national anthem at a club fixture.

    He just chose not to participate.


  • #63
    Sheep Lover
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Was that before or after making political statements ?

    What political statement?


  • #64
    ISOP
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    he's happy enough to take their money though, if he held that strong abelief he should go home to Derry. imagine all the barstoolers if if an Englishman done the same in Ireland, sickening hypocrites


  • #65
    darkpagandeath
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    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    The only political statement made was the playing of a national anthem at a club fixture.

    He just chose not to participate.

    Like that's never happened anywhere ever in the history of sport....


  • #66
    Mint Sauce
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    sup_dude wrote: »
    Why's he playing for an English football team if he doesn't want to stand for the English National Anthem?

    The English/British Anthem is rarely played in English Club football, I've only ever heard it at Cup Finals. This was at a friendly in the States, where they played GSTQ after The US Anthem. And it wasn't that he wouldn't stand, he just wouldn't turn to face the flag, which they dont even do at Cup Finals or Internationals. The only national side who i have seen do this is the ROI.

    Whilst I respect him for standing up for his principles, especially in relation to the poppy, he still could have turned with his team mates, even if he did not look up.


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  • #67
    Galwayguy35
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    I'd imagine if member of my family were shot by British forces then I would have a strong view on that anthem as well.

    He's paid to play soccer, time to leave him alone about his personal beliefs.


  • #68
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,160 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    cloud493 wrote: »
    You know, in 6 years living in Ireland as a British person, I have heard/seen anti British rhetoric maybe, once or twice, IRL. On boards, I see it at least a couple of times a month, maybe more. People need to get over themselves and move on.

    Thanks for the advice but you're about 90 years too late, ye don't get to tell the Irish what to do anymore.


  • #69
    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Like that's never happened anywhere ever in the history of sport....


    It has happened but it probably shouldn't happen and if he doesn't want to participate then he doesn't have to as far as I am concerned.It's not his flag so why should he be expected to treat it with a degree of reverence.

    People have very sad lives if they get worried about whether someone looking at a flag while a song is being played.


  • #70
    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    ISOP wrote: »
    he's happy enough to take their money though, if he held that strong abelief he should go home to Derry. imagine all the barstoolers if if an Englishman done the same in Ireland, sickening hypocrites

    Some people are hypocrites.I on the other hand wouldn't expect an English person living here to care about our flag or our national anthem.

    He's not taking their money he is getting paid for providing a service like all people who work are.


  • #71
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »
    It's not the 'past' my man. I posted something that happened today. I generally love the British btw.

    You respect something/someone that gives you respect back, end of. Unwavering respect is for the dumb.

    That was quite a pointless reply. Bloody Sunday was mentioned - not in the past???

    You show respect for all legitimate nations, their flags and anthems. It's called being grown up.

    Suggesting my respect is dumb says more about you than I, to be honest.
    With that, I'm gone because I make a point of exiting threads where somebody uses personal abuse to supplement a weak argument.

    And "my man" - really?


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  • #72
    darkpagandeath
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    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    It has happened but it probably shouldn't happen and if he doesn't want to participate then he doesn't have to as far as I am concerned.It's not his flag so why should he be expected to treat it with a degree of reverence.

    People have very sad lives if they get worried about whether someone looking at a flag while a song is being played.

    :pac:


  • #73
    Eugene Norman
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    ISOP wrote: »
    he's happy enough to take their money though, if he held that strong abelief he should go home to Derry. imagine all the barstoolers if if an Englishman done the same in Ireland, sickening hypocrites

    Home in Derry is where the anthem is also God Save the Queen.

    Amazing how many Irish liberals are indistinguishable from the most jingoistic of British nationalists when it comes to the north. If he doesn't like it go home is UKIP talk.


  • #74
    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    Noemi Unsightly Second wrote: »
    That was quite a pointless reply. Bloody Sunday was mentioned - not in the past???

    You show respect for all legitimate nations, their flags and anthems. It's called being grown up.

    Suggesting my respect is dumb says more about you than I, to be honest.
    With that, I'm gone because I make a point of exiting threads where somebody uses personal abuse to supplement a weak argument.

    And "my man" - really?

    You don't have to if you don't want to.People have freedom of choice and can respect/disrespect whatever the hell they like.

    He didn't cause any harm to anybody else by what he did and as far as I am concerned as long as you don't harm anyone else,obey the law and pay your taxes then you owe the world nothing more after that.


  • #75
    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    :pac:

    Obviously that smiley face is directed at yourself.


  • #76
    Sheep Lover
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    :pac:

    You've thrown out a few nonsense posts with no comeback when challenged on them. And now responding with smiley faces.

    "Better to stay quiet and be thought a fool than open your mouth and confirm it"


  • #77
    markc2951
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    Fair play to him for being real to himself and standing up to what he believes in


  • #78
    [Deleted User]
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    I find it strange that those people attacking McLean seem to lack any empathy for the victims of Bloody Sunday. That is one among many other acts of systematic repression carried out under the British flag against McLean's friends and neighbours in Derry. Why can't people connect that to his current stance? :confused:

    People are acting as if he did this on a whim with no connection what has happened to his people, both living and dead.


  • #79
    Eugene Norman
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I find it strange that those people attacking McLean seem to lack any empathy for the victims of Bloody Sunday. That is one among many other acts of systematic repression carried out under the British flag against McLean's friends and neighbours in Derry. Why can't people connect that to his current stance? :confused:

    People are acting as if he did this on a whim with no connection what has happened to his people, both living and dead.

    Imagine a black man from Selma not saluting the confederate flag and you get some idea of his stance. I would think it churlish of someone from the Republic to not acknowledge that flag but someone from Derry, makes sense.


  • #80
    cloud493
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    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Thanks for the advice but you're about 90 years too late, ye don't get to tell the Irish what to do anymore.

    Giant chip on your shoulder protruding there.


  • #81
    PassedUp
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    It's amazing how much some Irish people will completely demonise their own for standing up for their beliefs. Let them idiots have a few of their family members or friends get shot unarmed by the BA and see how they change their tune.


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  • #82
    Ave Sodalis
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    PassedUp wrote: »
    It's amazing how much some Irish people will completely demonise their own for standing up for their beliefs. Let them idiots have a few of their family members or friends get shot unarmed by the BA and see how they change their tune.

    In fairness, most people here aren't complaining because he didn't look at the flag. They're complaining about the hypocrisy.


  • #83
    dundalkfc10
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    I'm amazed at the amount of people who call him McLean and not by his proper name McClean


  • #84
    [Deleted User]
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    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    I'm amazed at the amount of people who call him McLean and not by his proper name McClean

    Lol, I stand guilty as charged! Was too lazy to find out how to spell his name and the autocorrect steered me wrong!


  • #85
    PassedUp
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    sup_dude wrote: »
    In fairness, most people here aren't complaining because he didn't look at the flag. They're complaining about the hypocrisy.

    The hypocrisy of what exactly? How is it strange that an Irish person plays for an English football club? Nobody of any nationality should have to endure celebrating a culture that caused a lot of damage to them personally.


  • #86
    Canis Lupus
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I find it strange that those people attacking McLean seem to lack any empathy for the victims of Bloody Sunday. That is one among many other acts of systematic repression carried out under the British flag against McLean's friends and neighbours in Derry. Why can't people connect that to his current stance? :confused:

    People are acting as if he did this on a whim with no connection what has happened to his people, both living and dead.

    Bloody Sunday was 17 years before he was even born...


  • #87
    [Deleted User]
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    sup_dude wrote: »
    In fairness, most people here aren't complaining because he didn't look at the flag. They're complaining about the hypocrisy.

    It's not hypocritical to earn a living in a country whose history you don't fully embrace while remaining loyal to your own country.

    If I worked in America but took part in a demonstration against something like the Iraq war it wouldn't be hypocritical. It would rightly be viewed as a personal stance in a free country.


  • #88
    dundalkfc10
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    He never done this when he played for Northern Ireland U-21s or at Wembley for the Community Shield final.


  • #89
    Canis Lupus
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    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    He never done this when he played for Northern Ireland U-21s or at Wembley for the Community Shield final.

    Maybe he's only recently become radicalised :)


  • #90
    tomwaterford
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    Canis Lupus wrote: »
    Bloody Sunday was 17 years before he was even born...

    :rolleyes:

    As if that is the only thing the British army did in Derry....


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  • #91
    [Deleted User]
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    Canis Lupus wrote: »
    Bloody Sunday was 17 years before he was even born...

    Yawn, predicable attempt at wit and humour. This is correct, however the poppy celebrates war of 100 years ago, so why would he wear it for something that was not in his name?

    The fact is that he has family and neighbours who are alive and well who suffered at the hands of the British establishment during the troubles. He has a sense of loyalty to them which is understandable no?


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