UK forces kill own citizens in Syria

snubbleste · 07-09-2015 03:51PM #1

The British government authorised a drone attack on Reyaad Khan, a 21-year-old from Cardiff. Two other Isis fighters were killed in the attack on the Syrian city of Raqqa on 21 August. One of them, Ruhul Amin, was also British.“It was necessary and proportionate for the individual self-defence of the UK,” says PM Cameron

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/07/uk-forces-airstrike-killed-isis-briton-reyaad-khan-syria
Is this state-sanctioned death penalty without trial? Extra-judicial murder by a western democracy?
It strikes me as completely wrong, no matter what the individuals did.
Where do you draw the line?

The Randy Riverbeast · 07-09-2015 03:54PM

If they are part of a war and on the enemies side then the fact they are British, Irish or Syrian doesnt matter.

They were killed in combat.

Cosmo K · 07-09-2015 03:56PM

snubbleste wrote: »

Where do you draw the line?

I draw the line at....traveling to a foreign country to join a bunch of religious extremists, who like to cut other people's heads off.

He had it coming....

snubbleste · 07-09-2015 03:58PM

The UK is not at war, though.
This is the same as the KGB murdering a Russian citizen in London.

The Backwards Man · 07-09-2015 03:59PM

snubbleste wrote: »

The UK is not at war, though.
This is the same as the KGB murdering a Russian citizen in London.

It most definitely is not.

Maximus Alexander · 07-09-2015 04:00PM

If we are cool with then bombing Syrians for doing terror, then we should also be cool with them bombing their British buddies for also doing the same terror.

justchecked · 07-09-2015 04:02PM

m'eh, live by it..., 72 virgins, etc.

thought story might be about innocents.

...not that they'd ever do that.

barry181091 · 07-09-2015 04:03PM

snubbleste wrote: »

The UK is not at war, though.
This is the same as the KGB murdering a Russian citizen in London.

Yeah, it's not at all. These are just lunatics (Albeit, UK-born lunatics) going to fight with other lunatics.

Like when you have a rat problem. Do you care that they are Irish rats when killing them?

dodderangler · 07-09-2015 04:04PM

3 down only couple of thousand left to go.
Fcuk em. Sooner they're all gone the better

Eugene Norman · 07-09-2015 04:05PM

This surely does bring in legal issues though. It has no moral implications for me ( except that this very same government is culpable in the destruction of Syria) but legally this is an act of war or an extra judicial execution.

snubbleste · 07-09-2015 04:06PM

The UK is not involved in Syria, UK parliament never authorised military in Syria.
It's an extra-judicial killing of two citizens in the sovereign territory of another country.

RobertKK · 07-09-2015 04:06PM

This is nothing new, sure lovely cuddly Obama - most overrated president of the US ever, has also given orders to kill US citizens abroad.

Saipanne · 07-09-2015 04:07PM

It's a shame the death toll wasn't higher.

Eugene Norman · 07-09-2015 04:08PM

RobertKK wrote: »

This is nothing new, sure lovely cuddly Obama - most overrated president of the US ever, has also given orders to kill US citizens abroad.

He's effectively at war with 5 or 6 nations.

BoJack Horseman · 07-09-2015 04:08PM

If Britain wanted to bomb British Islamic extremists, it would be quicker to bomb Bradford & Tower Hamlets.

Less flying time needed.

I don't think taking out a British jihadi abroad is illegal, but it seems a grey area.

custard gannet · 07-09-2015 04:10PM

snubbleste wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/07/uk-forces-airstrike-killed-isis-briton-reyaad-khan-syria
Is this state-sanctioned death penalty without trial? Extra-judicial murder by a western democracy?
It strikes me as completely wrong, no matter what the individuals did.
Where do you draw the line?

Given that the promise to withdraw the citizenship of Irish nationals found to be fighting over there was the usual load of populist pandering guff that Fine Gael had no intention of following through I wish we would send an army rangers unit out there to kill off the 30 or so passport holders apparently over there. If nothing else it would rustle the jimmies of the Halawa fanboys on boards.

petrolcan · 07-09-2015 04:57PM

They went to join ISIS. The reality is they should've expected it. In fact, I'd support more of these drone strikes if it stops just one person going out there.

petrolcan · 07-09-2015 04:58PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

If Britain wanted to bomb British Islamic extremists, it would be quicker to bomb Bradford & Tower Hamlets.

Less flying time needed.

If that is fact can you cite a source please?

If that's meant to be a joke, it was in poor taste.

BoJack Horseman · 07-09-2015 04:59PM

petrolcan wrote: »

If that is fact can you cite a source please.

It is a fact that there are Islamic extremists living in Britain

A fact so blindingly obvious the easiest source is: 'Google'

jobbridge4life · 07-09-2015 05:02PM

THese individuals had renounced their citizenship. There death is on their own hands, as is the blood of all Isis's victims. Its sad that two youths had to end up like this however, it isn't remotely sad that they were killed.

moc moc a moc · 07-09-2015 05:04PM

petrolcan wrote: »

If that is fact can you cite a source please?

I don't think you quite get how After Hours works.

Old Jakey · 07-09-2015 05:08PM

They were traitors to Britain and got what they deserved.

jaykay74 · 07-09-2015 05:12PM

petrolcan wrote: »

If that is fact can you cite a source please?

If that's meant to be a joke, it was in poor taste.

Think its more that a lot of his posts have a racist tone to them. He is not a racist obviously though to be clear.

Saipanne · 07-09-2015 05:14PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

There death is on their own hands.

That's a hell of a sentence.

Saipanne · 07-09-2015 05:15PM

jaykay74 wrote: »

Think its more that a lot of his posts have a racist tone to them. He is not a racist obviously though to be clear.

Yes, he clearly hates the race of Islam. The only race you can convert to.

jaykay74 · 07-09-2015 05:17PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Yes, he clearly hates the race of Islam. The only race you can convert to.

Oh you thought I was referring to a specific post. Okay.

jobbridge4life · 07-09-2015 05:19PM

Saipanne wrote: »

That's a hell of a sentence.

While not the finest English sentence ever written I am quite confident the meaning was clear to you, at the very least it ought to have been.

Saipanne · 07-09-2015 05:21PM

jaykay74 wrote: »

Oh you thought I was referring to a specific post. Okay.

I didn't realise you were talking to yourself.

Carry on.

RayCon · 07-09-2015 05:21PM

fcuk 'em.

hatrickpatrick · 07-09-2015 05:22PM

It depends whether Cameron is telling the truth. If they were planning attacks against Britain, then it's somewhat justifiable. If they were fighting against Assad, then it's entirely unjustifiable - the West should be fighting against him as well, same as the God-awful military junta in Egypt, rather than arming them. The majority of the people in both countries have decided that they do not want either of those regimes ruling them.

jobbridge4life · 07-09-2015 05:24PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It depends whether Cameron is telling the truth. If they were planning attacks against Britain, then it's somewhat justifiable. If they were fighting against Assad, then it's entirely unjustifiable -

ISIS are fighting against Assad. Should we support them?

Nodin · 07-09-2015 05:25PM

snubbleste wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/07/uk-forces-airstrike-killed-isis-briton-reyaad-khan-syria
Is this state-sanctioned death penalty without trial? Extra-judicial murder by a western democracy?
It strikes me as completely wrong, no matter what the individuals did.
Where do you draw the line?

If they did a drone strike on a bed-sit in Cardiff, maybe. However he was out in the field with the lads, armed and rarin to go. There's not much you can do there except deal with the problem in front of you.

My name is URL · 07-09-2015 05:39PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

the West should be fighting against him as well,

The West fighting against Assad is in no small part the reason for the current clusterfcuk in Syria.

petrolcan · 07-09-2015 05:40PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

It is a fact that there are Islamic extremists living in Britain

A fact so blindingly obvious the easiest source is: 'Google'

So it was, in reality, a swipe at residents of Bradford and Tower Hamlets.

Bravo.

petrolcan · 07-09-2015 05:41PM

moc moc a moc wrote: »

I don't think you quite get how After Hours works.

Racist!

Gatling · 07-09-2015 05:42PM

My name is URL wrote: »

The West fighting against Assad is in no small part the reason for the current clusterfcuk in Syria.

Fighting assad who now has Russian troops and fighter aircraft fighting for him.

But as for the current topic ,

Rightous kill.

Wonder if they will release the kill cam

Pac1Man · 07-09-2015 05:43PM

Sigh. Opening posts like in this thread irritate me.

Nodin · 07-09-2015 05:45PM

Gatling wrote: »

Fighting assad who now has Russian troops and fighter aircraft fighting for him.

But as for the current topic ,

Rightous kill.

Wonder if they will release the kill cam

Why? Will it make them any deader?

Gatling · 07-09-2015 05:50PM

Nodin wrote: »

Why? Will it make them any deader?

Makes great viewing then show the video/s of others in schools and mosques and show how the game ends

My name is URL · 07-09-2015 05:55PM

Gatling wrote: »

Fighting assad who now has Russian troops and fighter aircraft fighting for him.

What's your point?

asherbassad · 07-09-2015 05:56PM

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

If they are part of a war and on the enemies side then the fact they are British, Irish or Syrian doesnt matter.

They were killed in combat.

Is Britain at war against the persons or their affiliation? When was the declaration? And do Geneva conventions apply? You can't have it both ways. You can't determine that the victims are enemy fighters but then ignore the stipulations that go with that determination.

Gatling · 07-09-2015 05:58PM

My name is URL wrote: »

What's your point?

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Notorious97 · 07-09-2015 05:59PM

Why does anyone actually care? Anyone who runs off to join this lot deserves what they get. I say kill em all and let God sort them out since they figure it is their destiny.

No sympathy for any ISIS fighter being killed, the suffering they are inflicting on millions is shocking. They need to be hunted down and killed, why bother putting them on trial and wasting any nations taxes on prison care for them.

Hans Bricks · 07-09-2015 06:00PM

Any self respecting British citizen would be glad their government shows complete disregard to the political status of these loyal "citizens".

asherbassad · 07-09-2015 06:02PM

Cosmo K wrote: »

I draw the line at....traveling to a foreign country to join a bunch of religious extremists, who like to cut other people's heads off.

He had it coming....

Why does the method of killing cause you to change your rationale. That's a bit cowardly, no?

Gatling · 07-09-2015 06:02PM

Hans Bricks wrote: »

Any self respecting British citizen would be glad their government shows complete disregard to the political status of these loyal "citizens".

Funny how the Geneva convention all ways pops up when dealing with terrorists though

SEPT 23 1989 · 07-09-2015 06:04PM

these sad pair of b@stards are no loss

hopefully there will be plenty more

BoJack Horseman · 07-09-2015 06:08PM

petrolcan wrote: »

So it was, in reality, a swipe at residents of Bradford and Tower Hamlets.

Medical science should investigate whether a bleeding heart starves oxygen to the rational parts of the brain......

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My name is URL · 07-09-2015 06:09PM

Gatling wrote: »

Fighting assad who now has Russian troops and fighter aircraft fighting for him.

My name is URL wrote: »

What's your point?

Gatling wrote: »

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If you feel like responding in a manner not befitting a 6 year old, I'd still love to hear what point you were making.

Little CuChulainn · 07-09-2015 06:13PM

snubbleste wrote: »

Is this state-sanctioned death penalty without trial?

Yes

snubbleste wrote: »

Extra-judicial murder by a western democracy?

No.

snubbleste wrote: »

It strikes me as completely wrong, no matter what the individuals did.

No.

snubbleste wrote: »

Where do you draw the line?

Genocide, mass rape, televised executions and torture.

Gatling · 07-09-2015 06:16PM

My name is URL wrote: »

If you feel like responding in a manner not befitting a 6 year old, I'd still love to hear what point you were making.

Well see America the uk and arab coalition can't fight Isis who in turn are selling oil to the assad regime while russia are actively fighting a the assad regimes civil war on his behalf .
We have a cluster **** that's got alot more complicated lately .
Wonder if isreal will take issue with Russia getting involved now and decide remove assad

UK forces kill own citizens in Syria

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