Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

is_that_so · 17-12-2020 05:33PM

MOR316 wrote: »

What was the date again? The 4th of January?

I believe it is officially the 5th January but "two weeks from tomorrow" is the free movement period.

Fast Twitch · 17-12-2020 05:34PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

14 million vaccines are on order, what do you think they are going to do with them once approved, left in storage to gather dust? Are you hoping for this misery to continue indefinitely?

That's the default position of you and your ilk. Try and paint the opposing poster as a misery merchant. A realist has no place for you.

If that was the case why are you here almost every day while this is my first time here in a month. Do you enjoy the misery of the Covid thread? God knows it's the same stuff daily, you won't learn much.

14 million ordered.. right, the cold storage will be an issue, need 2 shots for the Pfizer one. We haven't undertaken anything on this scale before, our HSE is prone to cock ups. Reality.

You can roll out or roll around all you like. We've had D Day with the vaccines arriving but we've some fighting to go to get to Berlin.

alexonhisown · 17-12-2020 05:34PM

Other than when visiting a dentist, bars/restaurants/cafes are the only places you HAVE to remove your mask (to eat and drink) so im sure this is a problem area for spreading the virus.
I work in a motorway services station, and its disappointing to see how many people cant be bothered wearing a mask for a few minutes when on the premises. Its mostly early morning customers, getting coffee/breakfast rolls, from 6am to approx 9am who dont wear a mask/face covering. We get a huge amount of builders and tradesmen from Northern Ireland in every morning. I dont think people realise how many northern ireland tradesmen are employed in the republic. Some travel in mini buses with up to 10 people.
I try to politely ask them to wear a mask, but im amazed how many builders have asthma 😷
A lot actually thank me for trying to get the others to wear a mask.
I can also see a huge drop in hand washing after using toilets.
I have to wear a mask for 9 hrs a day, somedays if we have a lot of asthmatics in i will wear 2 masks, one on top of other, i only remove for break time and to have a drink. Is it too much to ask people to wear a mask/covering for a few minutes?

Fast Twitch · 17-12-2020 05:35PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Personally, I think that NPHET may recommend further restrictions before Christmas which the Government won't want to implement before Christmas but will implement sometime between Christmas and New Years. A compromise. Just my opinion.

Absolutely.

polesheep · 17-12-2020 05:37PM

Dr. Em wrote: »

Unfortunately, the vaccine takes about 3 weeks to create an antibody response (about the same time as the second dose is administered). The vaccine shipments and rollout will also depend on production. Despite the optimistic noises in the news, I would be surprised if we see any benefit from the vaccine before midsummer.

And I would be surprised if we don't see a benefit three weeks after the first dose.

MOR316 · 17-12-2020 05:38PM

alexonhisown wrote: »

Other than when visiting a dentist, bars/restaurants/cafes are the only places you HAVE to remove your mask (to eat and drink) so im sure this is a problem area for spreading the virus.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1339203177124651008

CIARAN_BOYLE · 17-12-2020 05:40PM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Very optimistic (and simplistic) I would suggest. I hope you are right be we'll see. We will still be masked and distanced most of next year!

All I was getting at is, despite imminent vaccination roll out, January and February are going to be pretty rough going.

There's a definite argument that once you have the first 30,000 vaccinated (nursing homes) the death rate will start to fall noticeably (61% of covid deaths pre June and 41% of covid deaths post June were nursing home residents).

It won't be job done but it will be a massive improvement.

political analyst · 17-12-2020 05:41PM

As far as I know, EU rules (to which Britain is still subject until the end of this month) permit emergency roll-out of vaccination before the EMA decides whether to approve the vaccine. So why doesn't our government do that?

Plumbthedepths · 17-12-2020 05:41PM

Fast Twitch wrote: »

That's the default position of you and your ilk. Try and paint the opposing poster as a misery merchant. A realist has no place for you.

If that was the case why are you here almost every day while this is my first time here in a month. Do you enjoy the misery of the Covid thread? God knows it's the same stuff daily, you won't learn much.

14 million ordered.. right, the cold storage will be an issue, need 2 shots for the Pfizer one. We haven't undertaken anything on this scale before, our HSE is prone to cock ups. Reality.

You can roll out or roll around all you like. We've had D Day with the vaccines arriving but we've some fighting to go to get to Berlin.

9 storage units currently sitting in Dublin waiting to be filled with vaccines. It was on the news, also not all the vaccines will need to be stored at -70.
Now by all means take issue with my comments and attack them leave the personal stuff aside it really achieves nothing, lastly had you read my comment instead of going on the attack I asked you did you want the misery to continue, if you view yourself as miserable that's nothing got to do with me.

fits · 17-12-2020 05:41PM

I wishe they had kept the restaurants and pubs closed. Pay them. There’s absolutely no point if we have to lockdown again almost immediately.

is_that_so · 17-12-2020 05:42PM

Fast Twitch wrote: »

That's the default position of you and your ilk. Try and paint the opposing poster as a misery merchant. A realist has no place for you.

If that was the case why are you here almost every day while this is my first time here in a month. Do you enjoy the misery of the Covid thread? God knows it's the same stuff daily, you won't learn much.

14 million ordered.. right, the cold storage will be an issue, need 2 shots for the Pfizer one. We haven't undertaken anything on this scale before, our HSE is prone to cock ups. Reality.

You can roll out or roll around all you like. We've had D Day with the vaccines arriving but we've some fighting to go to get to Berlin.

Eh, they do the flu' shots every year, over 1.4m this year and it's not as if we'll have 14m shots in a warehouse at any one time. For the first 10 groups it will not be an issue at all. After that, then they'll be looking at the 500K+ groups, so D Day might be about the right date.

is_that_so · 17-12-2020 05:44PM

political analyst wrote: »

As far as I know, EU rules (to which Britain is still subject until the end of this month) permit emergency roll-out of vaccination before the EMA decides whether to approve the vaccine. So why doesn't our government do that?

The UK was desperate to look like they were doing something right. We had it pencilled in for a January start, like the rest of the EU.

MOR316 · 17-12-2020 05:44PM

fits wrote: »

I wishe they had kept the restaurants and pubs closed. Pay them. There’s absolutely no point if we have to lockdown again almost immediately.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1339203177124651008

caveat emptor · 17-12-2020 05:45PM

Twitter is doing more to curb the denialists. There's a real danger that those kind of 'opinions' will reduce uptake of the vaccine.
Fair play to them trying to get ahead of it.

Moving forward and beginning next week......False claims that COVID-19 is not real or not serious and therefore vaccinations are unnecessary

https://twitter.com/GidMK/status/1339453736809185280?s=20

polesheep · 17-12-2020 05:46PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

if you're talking about the likes of me, you're dead wrong

I was pissed off with the gov undermining NPHET and putting us under light restrictions which has lead to this situation.
It was always a big risk. They gambled, and now it's looking dodgy.

What situation is that? Do you mean rising case numbers? We are enjoying a period of lighter restrictions, we know that case numbers may rise as a result. That's no reason to say that the decision to lighten the restrictions was wrong. There has to be a balance.

TonyMaloney · 17-12-2020 05:47PM

This is the positivity rate chart for our last wave. Overlaid in orange is our latest positivity rate.

If it continues at the same rate we'll be back above 7% in about 7 days.
And if we are on that path, there are no new restrictions coming in to stop it at 7 or 8%

We could easily have 10 to 14 days of steady growth from today

Seamai · 17-12-2020 05:49PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NI has requested support from Rep of Ireland

https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1339606679294513153?s=19

I'd say that sticks in Foster's craw.

Fast Twitch · 17-12-2020 05:53PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Eh, they do the flu' shots every year, over 1.4m this year and it's not as if we'll have 14m shots in a warehouse at any one time. For the first 10 groups it will not be an issue at all. After that, then they'll be looking at the 500K+ groups, so D Day might be about the right date.

Eh. Starts in September, takes 3 mts for all to be given, right into December. They don't need -70c storage like the vaccine about to be approved first and a follow up. The flu vaccine admin is something that has evolved over years. GPs are also much busier Jan-Mar than the previous quarter.

Oranage2 · 17-12-2020 05:53PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Why, what's happening in China???

Some flair ups but nothing major, the government here have done a wonderful job keeping life normal for the past 8 months. I'm looking at returning to Ireland mid 2021 and I'm absolutely petrified, with our inability to deal with covid, our incompetent government and the rising crime rate in Ireland I fully expect to see one of Europe's worst countries.

Plumbthedepths · 17-12-2020 05:53PM

Fast Twitch wrote: »

Go away with your personal guff. You're implying I'm a misery merchant.

Sure sign you're having trouble with the argument pull that one out.

9 storage units in Dublin, do you think that's news? So what. Do you know of the plans to get the vaccines from A to B? Do you know where the clinics will be? Do you know how level 5 lockdown will effect the roll out if our hospitals are in trouble and staff are needed there. Of course you don't. Just accept you're a gobsh*te like us all and don't make sweeping statements about roll outs.

Even in the last 3/4 days we've gone from 260 ish cases per day to over 500 today. Only a fool would make predictions about June etc.

I want it over now like 99% of the population. But I'm unable to read predictions online from ordinary folk, who have no access to models, operational plans for the vaccine distribution..and not to mention all the other variables.

You really have an issue with opposing opinion, best to take your concerns to a Mod. I 'm done responding to you.

caveat emptor · 17-12-2020 05:55PM

I thought it strange that the head of the vaccine task force here is Professor Brian MacCraith.

No disrespect to him but he is an academic. Surely we could have seconded someone from one of the numerous big Pharma companies who actually deal with I don't know........vaccine disruption?

Those people exist and are highly skilled.

Fairly light on logistics, get's a token mention. Haven't heard of General Omar Bradley famous quote: “Amateurs talk strategy. Professionals talk logistics.”

The Task Force membership is made up of senior representatives from
the Department of Health,

the Health Service Executive,

the Office of the Government Chief Information Officer,

the Office of Government Procurement,

IDA Ireland,

the Department of Enterprise,

Trade and Employment

Department of the Taoiseach

together with expertise in the area of logistics.

Fast Twitch · 17-12-2020 05:56PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You really have an issue with opposing opinion, best to take your concerns to a Mod. I 'm done responding to you.

Great. You have a problem backing up your sweeping statements. I don't go running to mods. First thing entered your head

BobbyMalone · 17-12-2020 05:59PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Some flair ups but nothing major, the government here have done a wonderful job keeping life normal for the past 8 months. I'm looking at returning to Ireland mid 2021 and I'm absolutely petrified, with our inability to deal with covid, our incompetent government and the rising crime rate in Ireland I fully expect to see one of Europe's worst countries.

Ireland is regularly being touted as doing very well in comparison to Europe, so I imagine being petrified about coming home six months away after a significant percentage of the population has been vaccinated is a huge waste of your time and energy.

is_that_so · 17-12-2020 05:59PM

Fast Twitch wrote: »

Eh. Starts in September, takes 3 mts for all to be given, right into December. They don't need -70c storage like the vaccine about to be approved first and a follow up.

It doesn't need -70C all the time. The vaccine can be stored for five days at refrigerated 2-8°C conditions. The process is there and tested via the annual flu' jab. They will use that existing distribution network, hospitals, clinics, pharmacies etc. The real challenge is mass testing much later in the year.

Plumbthedepths · 17-12-2020 06:00PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Some flair ups but nothing major, the government here have done a wonderful job keeping life normal for the past 8 months. I'm looking at returning to Ireland mid 2021 and I'm absolutely petrified, with our inability to deal with covid, our incompetent government and the rising crime rate in Ireland I fully expect to see one of Europe's worst countries.

It seems it would be best to remain in Utopia, sorry I mean China.

seamus · 17-12-2020 06:02PM

Fast Twitch wrote: »

9 storage units in Dublin, do you think that's news? So what. Do you know of the plans to get the vaccines from A to B? Do you know where the clinics will be? Do you know how level 5 lockdown will effect the roll out if our hospitals are in trouble and staff are needed there. Of course you don't.

These details were all published yesterday.

Oranage2 · 17-12-2020 06:03PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It seems it would be best to remain in Utopia, sorry I mean China.

I wish I could but unfortunately I need to come back for something, was supposed to happen this year but the oul covid put an end to that idea

Fast Twitch · 17-12-2020 06:03PM

I know some won't be able to handle this but...

Are the new vaccines safe? One company wants to outdo the other in terms of the efficacy of their vaccine regularly. Quickest vaccines in history.

For the healthy under 70 cohort could the vaccine be more harmful than Covid.

I know some will say go to the conspiracy theories thread. But they are real concerns. About one third of my co workers say they won't take the vaccine.

I'll take it by the way.

Oranage2 · 17-12-2020 06:06PM

Fast Twitch wrote: »

I know some won't be able to handle this but...

Are the new vaccines safe? One company wants to outdo the other in terms of the efficacy of their vaccine regularly. Quickest vaccines in history.

For the healthy under 70 cohort could the vaccine be more harmful than Covid.

I know some will say go to the conspiracy theories thread. But they are real concerns. About one third of my co workers say they won't take the vaccine.

I'll take it by the way.

I can't see it being unsafe especially in the young age range, how effective it is is the real question, we've seen it mutate and effect lions and ferrets, who knows how long this vaccine will work for.

fits · 17-12-2020 06:06PM

MOR316 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1339203177124651008

CDC report most risky environments
1 bars
2 gyms
3 restaurants.

https://t.co/Mq1W5CmEva

Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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