Relaxation of restrictions

The next hopeful step is that they manage the reopening carefully, as the second wave historically did more damage in Spanish Flu then the first wave

If your aunty had balls she'd be your uncle.

lord quackinton wrote: »

There was
The government and the HSE continually stated
the peak was not here
Could be end of April
No distinction between historical and previous days
They knew the peak was gone but lied so people would not question this lockdown bull****

Game over, the lockdown is pointless
We are now ruining our economy and society for past events

Time to let the adults take charge now
Back to work and back to school Monday should be the rally call
I am sick of the public sector cabals running this country

To normal people on here I beg please email your local TDS and councillors
We need to stop this bull **** now

Fcuk the government and the HSE. Lord Quackington knows best.

retro:electro wrote: »

I’m not sure why you consistently have to adopt this patronising tone to people? Nobody is saying their local plumber’s opinion is as valid. Stop with the nonsense will you.

If you turn on any news channel, or indeed were watching Prime Time on Thursday night you will see that many “experts” the world over are disagreeing with each other and contradicting each other day in and day out on what is the best way forward with this. You might happen to take a few “expert’s” word as gospel but that doesn’t make it so. And I’m well aware of the full name of the virus thanks Kiki.

Why are we even gone down this route? Because you were caught exaggerating and have rooted through someone’s post history in order to deflect from being caught out on that.

Retro, I wasn't exaggerating and I've provided the links to back up my views.

You took my comment far more personally than it was intended; it wasn't directed specifically at you but at a swathe of posters on the thread who have no background in medicine, epidemiology or indeed economics but still seem to think they know far better than those who do. Sorry if it seemed like because I was responding to your post I was directing the comment at you.

Yes, I do put my faith in experts. And while there is some debate between different experts on different elements, there's broad consensus that Ireland is following the right path. And that's seen in the data coming through as well that's showing we're getting a handle on this.

The gas part is, me and Kaiser are saying almost exactly the same thing but there are posters who thinks he's on the money and I'm wrong. That's fine, it obviously is the case that my tone rubs some people up the wrong way - I can live with that, I'm blunt with language. Nevertheless we are in favour of almost identical solutions.

Saw this on Facebook earlier and it gave me a good laugh because it really sums up the pathetic and confused 'advice' given by the UK government. So accurate! Is it any wonder people are confused when so much of the advice is so contradictory?

As we enter the next 3 weeks of lockdown here is a summary of the advise:

1. You MUST NOT leave the house for any reason, but if you have a reason, you can leave the house

2. Masks are useless at protecting you against the virus, but you may have to wear one because it can save lives, but they may not work, but they may be mandatory, but maybe not

3. Shops are closed, except those shops that are open

4. You must not go to work but you can get another job and go to work

5. You should not go to the Drs or to the hospital unless you have to go there, unless you are too poorly to go there

6. This virus can kill people, but don’t be scared of it. It can only kill those people who are vulnerable or those people who are not vulnerable people. It’s possible to contain and control it, sometimes, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster

7. Gloves won't help, but they can still help so wear them sometimes or not

8. STAY HOME, but it's important to go out

9. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarkets, but there are many things missing. Sometimes you won’t need loo rolls but you should buy some just in case you need some

10. The virus has no effect on children except those children it effects

11. Animals are not affected, but there is still a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested, plus a few tigers here and there…

12. Stay 2 metres away from tigers (see point 11)

13. You will have many symptoms if your get the virus, but you can also get symptoms without getting the virus, get the virus without having any symptoms or be contagious without having symptoms, or be non contagious with symptoms...

14. To help protect yourself you should eat well and exercise, but eat whatever you have on hand as it's better not to go out shopping

15. It's important to get fresh air but don't go to parks but go for a walk. But don’t sit down, except if you are old, but not for too long or if you are pregnant or if you’re not old or pregnant but need to sit down. If you do sit down don’t eat your picnic

16. Don’t visit old people but you have to take care of the old people and bring them food and medication

17. If you are sick, you can go out when you are better but anyone else in your household can’t go out when you are better unless they need to go out

18. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house. These deliveries are safe. But groceries you bring back to your house have to be decontaminated outside for 3 hours including Pizza...

19. You can't see your older mother or grandmother, but they can take a taxi and meet an older taxi driver

20. You are safe if you maintain the safe social distance when out but you can’t go out with friends or strangers at the safe social distance

21. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours ... or four hours... six hours... I mean days, not hours... But it needs a damp environment. Or a cold environment that is warm and dry... in the air, as long as the air is not plastic

22. Schools are closed so you need to home educate your children, unless you can send them to school because you’re not at home. If you are at home you can home educate your children using various portals and virtual class rooms, unless you have poor internet, or more than one child and only one computer, or you are working from home. Baking cakes can be considered maths, science or art. If you are home educating you can include household chores to be education. If you are home educating you can start drinking at 10am

23. If you are not home educating children you can also start drinking at 10am

24. The number of corona related deaths will be announced daily but we don't know how many people are infected as they are only testing those who are almost dead to find out if that's what they will die of… the people who die of corona who aren’t counted won’t be counted

25. You should stay in locked down until the virus stops infecting people but it will only stop infecting people if we all get infected so it’s important we get infected and some don’t get infected

26. You can join your neighbours for a street party and turn your music up for an outside disco and your neighbours won’t call the police. People in another street are allowed to call the police about your music.

27. No business will go under due to Coronavirus except those businesses that will have already gone under.

Deaths peaked on April 7th. Brilliant news from Hoolahan.

Restrictions really made a difference

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Your posts are getting more delusional every time I read them. I hope you have a large stock of tinfoil hats.

Tinfoil hats protect you from 5G masts which means you can't get Covid-19. I wear one 24/7.

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

He is actually right on this, huge global reaction to this, we all need to move on.

If people weren't losing their lives, like if the only cost was economic i would be all up for following your advice and others, but the problem is if your wrong, and we have a huge spike in numbers - hundreds if not thousands of innocent people will die - FACT we see it all over Europe. Or do you not see what is happening in Italy and Spain and the UK and the US?

If your right - then why are innocent people dying in those countries i listed above?

If a relative of yours died from the virus through no fault of their own, would you be like, well they were old, well this or that, no - you would probably look to blame someone, and yourself and "Lord quack" would be the first to blame the government and the HSE.

polesheep wrote: »

A third of cases from the health service is not the same as a third of the health service. Plus, those healthcare workers currently affected will be back at work shortly. Everything is under control and a gradual easing of restrictions is on the way.

We've had 3 healthcare workers die to date, you cannot guarantee that those affected will go back to work shortly.

And they could catch the virus again - and what then?

robbiezero wrote: »

Id imagine the vast majorith of IT workers and some other sectors could continue working from home to some extent which would ease the pressure fairly significantly.

The vast majority of IT workers could work from home permanently with no negative impact whatsoever but too many in higher management are set in their ways to allow that.
Maybe they'll have gained appreciation for it through this crisis but I wouldn't guarantee it, I still think government should insist any business capable of working from home should continue doing so until we have a vaccine.

Does anyone see Schools (Primary or Secondary) opening before September?

If people weren't losing their lives, like if the only cost was economic i would be all up for following your advice and others, but the problem is if your wrong, and we have a huge spike in numbers - hundreds if not thousands of innocent people will die - FACT we see it all over Europe. Or do you not see what is happening in Italy and Spain and the UK and the US?

Millions of deaths were predicted in the original models by Dr. Fauci and Imperial College London.

The extremely drastic 'lockdown' measures were based on those predictions, which haven't materialised and which everyone now admits won't materialise - including the creators of those original models.

But you want extreme measures anyway based on another worst-case-scenario prediction, this time of hundreds of thousands of deaths.

This is in spite of there being no way of knowing exactly what effect the lockdown has, therefore no way of knowing how it ties into your prediction.

People die. In 2016, 5.1 million EU citizens died of one cause or another. That didn't excite a huge reaction but it did require mass graves.

When we see the overall mortality rates for 2020, its unlikely they'll differ in kind from 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016 etc. Possibly a slight uptick for 2020 - but I very much doubt it.

Meanwhile actual life is suspended with no definite plans to allow it get going again.