Malaysian airline MH-17 discussion thread

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

They give great value for money; a true Public Service that highlights all sorts of facts and issues our Western State and Corporate media would rather we ignore - RT is a win-win for all of us.

I just wish with their vast resources the Chinese could develop a fraction as influential and effective and outlet.

It would be interesting to get their take on MH-17, given their own experience with Malaysian Airlines.

I thought you believed it was a BUK missile that brought it down ... Why are you doubting now ?

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

I hope the 'radar information' was something better than their first effort.... The one showing a hopelessly poor photoshop effort blaming an SU-25 but showing the crude silhouette of a mig-29!

That was pure gold ...

2 years later they suddenly claim they have videos of the radar yeah right .

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

I'm not doubting it! It was obviously a mistake....I'm just pointing out that RT might have a different view, just as the Western Media have.

They claim it was a deliberate act.

You said

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

Excellent article by RT - sums things up accurately.

RT says

Desperate for answers that would shed the light on who fired the BUK missile that allegedly hit the passenger plane on July 17, 2014

If you think RT is accurate then how can you say you don't doubt a BUK missile hit that plane in your reply ?

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

That's my opinion - I can't prove it and obviously RT are not convinced. In the absence of conclusive evidence to use "allegedly" is fully appropriate.

You claim you have no doubt it was a BUK missile but a source that is unsure is accurate according to you. Soo you actually disagree with yourself

Nice exhibition of brain gymnastics from you again

Shurimgreat wrote: »

More than likely believed by most of the general Russian public by the way.

95% of the population believe what their been told by state media .

And we all know what happens to people who disagree with the authorities

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

You appear to be trying to start a bit of a row; I said my opinion is that it was brought down by a BUK fired by the insurgents; that is the most likely thing. That is not the same has having "no doubt".

No Im calling you out on your blatant inconsistency

You have NO doubt it was brought down by a BUK missile but you are stating that a source who is only stating it was maybe shot down by a BUK as being Accurate

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

I said I have no proof to support my opinion.

Then I suggest you read the report by the DSB

Then read the Bellingcat report

Thirdly read the Almaz-Antey findings (mentiod all over the place by by RT)

Maybe after you can find the inconsistency in the RT reporting yourself

Please share a valid russian source stating anything other then the missile being a BUK ... Even they know and accept it was a BUK missile

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

Any mental gymnastics are firmly in your head, not mine.

Correct it was the first thing that struck my mind by reading your reply

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

My last word on this...if you want to make illogical points about angels on a pinhead find another target

You were caught with your pants down posting that waffle ..Own up to it and move on

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

Noting to own up to..move on yourself :rolleyes:

I'll repeat; great summary by RT - and accurate as it correctly describes the BUK scenario as "alleged".

You should consult a dictionary...the words "believe" and "know" have different meanings....

No one is doubting it was A BUK missile... Not Russia, nor Ukraine nor the Dutch, not even you, and yet you describe a source who is not sure as being accurate .... No dictionary needed there buddy

But I get it ... You posted your view before actually reading the RT link ..

Busted Flat. wrote: »

It is now a year and a half since the tragedy, has anyone got a problem with the delay in the results of the cause of the slaughter. The Sinai crash results were released fairly quick. What are the hiding from the relatives of MH17.

we know what happened a Buk missle was used to shoot down MH17 as proven by the technical aspect of the first report .
And the 2nd part of the MH17 investigation the criminal report will be released this month or early March ,

The sinai report was a joke for crying out loud the Egyptian authorities investigation said no proof of a bomb ,
Russia said it was a bomb case closed let's go bomb innocent civilians in syria .......

weisses wrote: »

The bellingcat report could be interesting to read ... No governments involved in the making of it and pretty accurate I think

Please explain how an individual sitting at home in Coventry Leicester can come up an accurate report?

weisses wrote: »

I suggest you do some reading regarding the methods they used. Its really an interesting read, mainly focused on open source resources

I know its probably easier dismissing it from an armchair in Ireland. But still

But people believe someone sitting in a warehouse in Moscow writing reports that support all things russia and Putin while demonising Ukraine and the rest of the world