is rock n'roll dying

rock and roll..is a veryyy broard term ...I cant think of a single band mentioned so far that Id like to go see....maybe ACDC or KISS for the fun of it all....but the rest?...ughhh groan their all sooo lame, the word DULL springs to my mind every time I hear of another "amazing line up" for oxygen or any other festivals here....waste of money and time going to see the amaturs that appear at the outdoor shows...maybe The Who may have been worth seeing...the rest??...not worth even mentioning.

There are a few goood bands still around...but...yu need to go look for em...you all know my veryyy narrow music taste for a handfull of bands...who are now in their senior years at this stage...but what else is there?........rock and roll dying ? no.,.......in state of decay?..probably

ciao' amigos....Baggio...

kona wrote:

sadly yes it is dying,
ha ha ha u2 and radiohead aint rock music, neither are arctic monkey-****, franz ferdinand, or the new chilli peppers stuff, my farts have more melody to be honest.
real rock is MOTLEY CRUE,VAN HALEN, GUNS N ROSES, KISS, PANTERA,NIRVANA,LED ZEPPLIN, MOTORHEAD,RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE, AEROSMITH,JUDAS PRIEST,METALLICA etc

look up the stories of the crue and guns n roses and compare them to the arctic monkeys, they make 'rock' bands like the arctic monkeys look like daniel o donnel.
the crue are real rockers

I think we all acknowledge that the arctic monkeys, franz ferdinand etc. aren't rock, the post you quoted never even mentioned anyone besides U2(which they slagged off) and radiohead. Quite frankly the sentiment that Radiohead are not rock is stupid as their early albums(The Bands, Ok Computer) clearly are. Furthermore the bands you mention have little consistency and don't really prove your point. The Crue were glam rock, not "real" rock, same with KISS. Pantera, Motorhead, Judas Priest and Metallica are considered metal, not rock. So the only bands that are actually "rock" from that list are Van Halen, GNR, Nirvana(and you could argue and class them as grunge or something), ZeppElin, RATM and Aerosmith.

I personally am a fan of elitist posts, but only when they're intelligent and have a consistant argument.

Hmmm. What's changed since the "good ol' days" is obviously the proliferation of the modern media; the commercialisation of music. Music is a product, and the the mainstream is always going to be edging towards a superlatively efficient, cost-effective ideal - becoming more streamlined, vacuous and music-less as time goes on. However, the volume of original, genuine and truly worthwhile music being produced in any genre has not diminished in the slightest. I guess what you really mean by "rock and roll" though is as much the feeling of solidarity and having some sort of ethos and collective feeling of power to latch onto as well as enjoying the music. And yeah, that element of it has undoubtedly diminished, but having just turned twenty I never "felt" that happening so I'm not really qualified to talk about it. I grew up in the cold, bleak and dystopian musical landscape ( ) of the 90s... listening to people like Billy Corgan of the Pumpkins talking about how he saw, and felt, the revolutionary air that surrounded rock and roll music evaporating as he grew up. Personally, I've always had to furrow and investigate to find music that I loved and could really latch onto, it's never just appeared around me as part of the cultural landscape - aside from the recommendations of clued-in friends or siblings who themselves put a conscious effort into trying to find good stuff.

All that aside, if I wanted to be a brat about it I'd just say that people who are moaning about the death of rock and roll are old farts who are channeling their lamentations of lost youth into a whinge about the musical climate, denying the reality that revolutionary musical movements, if such a thing still exists (it doesn't), are the domain of the young, and they're just out of touch. And hey, if a new "ROCK AND ROLL REVOLUTION" (eugh) came along, you wouldn't be celebrating it, you'd be calling all the bands involved a bunch of derivative tossers!

P.S. Can we not turn this thread into a genre debate? There are few things in this world more utterly pointless.

kona wrote:

twas just thrownin in a few more names of **** bands that think they are rock!! they call oxegen a 'rock festival' iwhich it aint.

As much as I hate those bands none of them call themselves rock, they call themselves "indie" and last time I checked Oxegen called itself a "music festival".

kona wrote:

GnR are metal not rock so ill take back my comments, but wasnt 80s rock the birth of metal???i.e GnR,Metallica, Motley Crue etc....

GNR are hard rock, not metal..... but as Charm Offensive said, genre debates are pointless.

kona wrote:

yes they are pointless. in the papers oxegen is called a rock festival!!!

Nail.Head.The.Hit.The.On

No idea, some bands just get called Prog that really aren't doing anything very prog.

What is prog supposed to mean then? I always thought it was longer than average songs with complex structures.....

Yup I've read that and regularly go on that site, but how is a band like Dream Theatre not progressive?? They're even mentioned in that article as being prog

Karl Hungus wrote:

Nothing ever dies. It simply moves out of the public eye.

Exactly!

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

I hate the rock genre, die by my bath'leth!

So what are you doing here?? Get out!

The people who call oxegen 'rock' are the same kind of people who call Daniel O'Donnell 'rock 'n' roll'. 'Nuff said.

Oxegen is, indeed, a glorified piss up. Many a mate of mine came back saying they didn't watch a single band.

For me, the word 'prog' on its own has always signified the "reminiscent of the progressive bands of old" thing. If someone says 'prog/progressive/post (insert genre here)' then I'll have a proper idea of what they're on about.

I hope traditional 'rock' does die. Out with the old, in with the new.

GNR were never a metal band. Hard rock.And i dont think rock n roll is dead. Just that all the genres seem to have merged a lot together and its kind of hard to be classed as one type or another. IMO anyway.