Why has the quality of mainstream film and music taken a nosedive since the 70's?

storker · 23-04-2019 9:00am

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Star Wars came out in 1977 and the generations who grew up watching it never graduated to serious films for adults.

So...anyone who watched Star Wars never watched anything else after that. Riiight.... :rolleyes:

Franz Von Peppercorn · 23-04-2019 9:05am

Sleeper12 wrote: »

There were many people who heard the bands you mentioned above at the time & compared them to Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, Chuck Berry, Elvis Presley etc and claimed no one would listen to them in 50 years

They were popular at the time so can’t be compared to obscure bands now. There was an explosion of genres at this time as it happens.

The “you like old stuff because you’re old” argument doesn’t work. I wasn’t born when Chinatown came out, and I doubt if the op or most other posters saw it in the cinema on first release. The age limit was 14 or 15 depending on the country, according to google, and therefore the youngest people who saw it on release in 1974 are 60+ now.

I saw it on a DVD. I’ve seen most all those movies on dvd or streaming and they are in fact better than most Oscar winners these days, although that could be the fault of the academy and not the era. However the op limited his movie list m to Oscar winners, and i agree - in terms of Oscar winners the 70s rocked.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 23-04-2019 9:09am

Although rocky is overrated and I haven’t seen Patton (which might indicate it isn’t great).

Franz Von Peppercorn · 23-04-2019 9:17am

The list for the 80s is much much worse. And although newer I haven’t seen half the winners, although I’ve seen plenty of nominees.

https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Picture_(1980s)

Probably block busters crowded out some top movies in the 80s as now.

Sleeper12 · 23-04-2019 9:19am

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

They were popular at the time so can’t be compared to obscure bands now. There was an explosion of genres at this time as it happens.

The “you like old stuff because you’re old” argument doesn’t work. I wasn’t born when Chinatown came out, and I doubt if the op or most other posters saw it in the cinema on first release. The age limit was 14 or 15 depending on the country, according to google, and therefore the youngest people who saw it on release in 1974 are 60+ now.

I saw it on a DVD. I’ve seen most all those movies on dvd or streaming and they are in fact better than most Oscar winners these days, although that could be the fault of the academy and not the era. However the op limited his movie list m to Oscar winners, and i agree - in terms of Oscar winners the 70s rocked.

The opening post said

Who are mainstream today? ed sheeran ,adele? Taylor swift? kathy perry. none of these artists have made an album that will be listened to in 50 years time

Apart from Adele I wouldn't listen to any of them but to call them obscure? These are very reliant artists.

You also need to look at how people listen to their music too. Just because you don't hear it on a radio station doesn't mean it's not popular. I grew up in the 70s & 80s. I'm a Led Zeppelin, Pink floyd fan. Their music got no radio play in the 70s. I think "another brick in the wall" was the first Pink Floyd song to get mainstream play since "see Emily play" 10 years before that

Yermande · 23-04-2019 9:26am

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Although rocky is overrated and I haven’t seen Patton (which might indicate it isn’t great).

Patton is a 3 hour biopic set during World War 2, which might explain why it's such an underseen Best Picture winner. It also won for Best Director, Best Actor, Best Original Screenplay (by Francis Ford Coppola, his first Oscar win), Best Editing, Best Sound and Best Art Direction. It's a great film.

It's one of those big-winning Oscar favourites that relatively few people seem to remember or talk about. Amadeus is another one.

xckjoo · 23-04-2019 9:28am

A few years ago I might have agreed, but then I got proactive and realised there's MORE good stuff coming out these days than ever before. Every couple of months I find a new album that gets added to the all time favourite list. What you're calling mainstream is just whatever is being pushed by the big players with the marketing budgets.

Yermande · 23-04-2019 9:31am

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Star Wars came out in 1977 and the generations who grew up watching it never graduated to serious films for adults.

Including George Lucas.

Mebuntu · 23-04-2019 9:36am

sxt wrote: »

it seems to be the late 1990s was where the steepest nosedive took place

Nah, the downturn in movies actually started in the mid 70's, dropped like a bomb in the 80's (Golan-Globus anyone?), recovered slightly in the 90's and has remained there or thereabouts since. Modern mainstream movies do little or nothing for me but there are high-quality gems among the Indies and on streaming services like Netflix we get to see a fair share of excellent foreign-language movies.

For me the best movie time was from the mid 50's to the end of the 60's. The emergence and development of large widescreen processes like Cinerama, 70mm, CinemaScope and countless derivatives showing on proper size large screens made trips to the cinema exciting. There is no excitement nowadays watching movies in cinemas on dull screens some only marginally bigger than my TV. Cinemas don't have any prestart atmosphere and some show non-widescreen films with no black masking left or right - a cardinal sin.

I heard recently that, (I think it was in the USA) at a special digital presentation of Ben Hur (1959) when the film started there was just a blank screen for several minutes with just the music playing. It was stopped and then an announcement made that the screening was being cancelled as it appeared they had been given a corrupted drive. What the cinema didn't know was that in those "roadshow" days there was a music overture played behind the red curtains (with no accompanying picture) to get the audience "in the mood" and then the curtains would sweep back to present the giant screen for the start of the film. Them were the days

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Having said all that, at the end of the day people's opinions are formed by their own experiences so who am I to criticise what people are enjoying on today's screens.

Gorilla Woods · 23-04-2019 9:43am

The best super hero movie of all time was released in 2018, Avengers Infinity War which included the best villain of all time.

IAMAMORON · 23-04-2019 9:43am

Music travels through different mediums now. When I was a teenager my pocket money was spent on buying a single in the charts that I liked, you could also tape record the songs off the radio....

If you followed a band you would hear on the grapevine when their next album was being released. You dressed up like them, it was a thing. All that crap still exists to some extent.

Instead of going to my local record store now I just lash on youTube or soundcloud. Pump in your song and off you go dancing around the kitchen to B sides from a flock of seagulls which weren't even released in Ireland. It's great.

It is just a different business model now, and yes different generations are entitled to enjoy different sounds, let them at it.

" people try to put us dowwwwwnnnnnnnn "

Yermande · 23-04-2019 9:45am

Gorilla Woods wrote: »

The best super hero movie of all time was released in 2018, Avengers Infinity War which included the best villain of all time.

It wasn't even the best superhero movie that year.

Gorilla Woods · 23-04-2019 9:46am

Yermande wrote: »

It wasn't even the best superhero movie that year.

Into the spider verse? Haven't seen it so you could be right.

xckjoo · 23-04-2019 9:51am

Yermande wrote: »

If anyone has a problem with mainstream cinema then take a trip to your nearest independent theatre, or subscribe to MUBI or BFI, or Curzon Home Cinema.

Have you used MUBI? I've been tempted for a while but haven't taken the plunge yet.

Yamanoto · 23-04-2019 9:53am

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Star Wars came out in 1977 and the generations who grew up watching it never graduated to serious films for adults.

...and the Oscar for sweeping statement of the thread goes to.....

rossie1977 · 23-04-2019 9:55am

Rock music is completely dead in the main stream. Don't think anyone can argue that.

Pop music is pop music. Perry and Swift get s**t on but their non commercial stuff is probably no worse than most of pop released in 70s.

Gorilla Woods wrote: »

The best super hero movie of all time was released in 2018, Avengers Infinity War which included the best villain of all time.

Superman 1 and 2, Dark Knight. I much prefer Stamps Zod and Ledgers Joker to Thanos too. Not a huge fan of the Avengers movies and will include Civil War in that. Just too many characters, too much going on and too little time to tell story.

Yermande · 23-04-2019 10:09am

Gorilla Woods wrote: »

Into the spider verse? Haven't seen it so you could be right.

Yeah it really is something special. Check it out.

Yermande · 23-04-2019 10:18am

xckjoo wrote: »

Have you used MUBI? I've been tempted for a while but haven't taken the plunge yet.

MUBI is excellent but it's heavily geared towards the art-house end of the spectrum. I thought I was into independent and world cinema until I started using it. Then I realised that my tastes were, comparatively at least, rather conventional.

The best part is that each movie is only available for 30 days. The worst part? That each movie is only available for 30 days! Sometimes I struggle to stay on top of stuff I'd like to see.

It's worth checking out though. I love how it's curated and that there are always mini-seasons of stuff running. Their current main season is on Luis Buñuel. The whole thing has a delightful hand-picked quality that's the polar opposite of the random onslaught of Netflix.

There's a free 7 day trial.

xckjoo · 23-04-2019 10:27am

Yermande wrote: »

MUBI is excellent but it's heavily geared towards the art-house end of the spectrum. I thought I was into independent and world cinema until I started using it. Then I realised that my tastes were, comparatively at least, rather conventional.

The best part is that each movie is only available for 30 days. The worst part? That each movie is only available for 30 days! Sometimes I struggle to stay on top of stuff I'd like to see.

It's worth checking out though. I love how it's curated and that there are always mini-seasons of stuff running. Their current main season is on Luis Buñuel. The whole thing has a delightful hand-picked quality that's the polar opposite of the random onslaught of Netflix.

There's a free 7 day trial.

Cheers. I think I'll just have to take the plunge and try it sometime soon. There's a 30day trial with some podcasts like filmspotting, so not much risk.

I think we'll see more of a swing-back towards curated entertainment in the future. Streaming services are becoming more and more diluted these days. The 30 limit actually appeals to me.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 23-04-2019 10:37am

Gorilla Woods wrote: »

The best super hero movie of all time was released in 2018, Avengers Infinity War which included the best villain of all time.

The ultimate in CGI fest alright.

storker · 23-04-2019 11:13am

rossie1977 wrote: »

Rock music is completely dead in the main stream. Don't think anyone can argue that.

Pop music is pop music. Perry and Swift get s**t on but their non commercial stuff is probably no worse than most of pop released in 70s.

And let's not forget that the 60's, 70's and 80's produced their fair share of rubbish too.

Nikki Sixx · 23-04-2019 11:21am

The top blockbusters consist mainly of superhero type movies, based on Marvel and D.C. characters. Film companies want to make something with a guaranteed audience, with huge bock office takings. That’s why they make 7/8 films in the Fast and the Furious series. It’s all about the money nowadays.

jmayo · 23-04-2019 12:27pm

Maybe it is just getting old, but nowadays the music industry is either niche artists that grow through Youtube or manufactured ones from the lastest tv show.
Without likes of Youtube modern music would be absolute pants.

It is almost like a generation of Bay City Rollers. :mad:

As for TV, well the likes of HBO have revolutionised TV with series such as Sopranos, Band of Brothers, The Wire and others have created such programs as Breaking Bad, Boardwalk Empire, etc.

But there has also been some awful shyte on TV and it is often remakes of iconic tv series of the past like Magnum, Hawaii 5-0, etc

And there is shag all originality in Hollywood movies where you have either got remakes, sequels or comic superheroes based stuff that is 75% CGI.

Technocentral · 23-04-2019 1:32pm

Woke Hogan wrote:

A man born in the late 40s would have watched Tarzan films in the cinema when they were kids and mature, thematically more sophisticated films like Annie Hall by the late 70s.

Woke Hogan wrote:

Star Wars came out in 1977 and the generations who grew up watching it never graduated to serious films for adults.

Totally disagree, me girlfriend and mates love Star Wars and indie cinema.

wakka12 · 23-04-2019 1:36pm

I dont know what age you are but Im in my early 20's and I prefer most of the movies and music of today than the 70's stuff you listed, taste just changes, not always for the worst. Although I appreciate lots of them too like Fleetwood Mac

I wouldnt say its all throwaway either, even though there is a greater supply of entertainment more for instant gratification purposes with rather little staying power, but I can imagine people listening to songs like Rolling in the deep in 50 years tbh

xckjoo · 23-04-2019 1:51pm

How do the people complaining about the lack of good new music and movies find out about new releases, artists, etc? Do they just wait until it permeates down through popular culture enough to reach them?

Wibbs · 23-04-2019 1:55pm

Leandro Clever Sunbonnet wrote: »

And Hollywood is churning out superhero franchises and remakes at a rate of knots for a reason also (anything else too risky).

Hollywood has always done this. When trends kick off and are profitable they run with them. For donkey's years they were rattling out westerns damned near every week. When Lucas was hawking Star Wars around the studios they weren't interested and it hard a hard time getting a green light. Of course when it went into the stratosphere the studios dug up and wheeled out every science fiction script they could find. The first Star Trek flic nearly pipped Star Wars getting made as that was being hawked around the studios at a similar time, but nobody wanted a bar of it and that was hugely popular in TV syndication land, but the studios didn't see an audience for that stuff. Then Star Wars happened and it got the green light and a massively inflated budget. Similar trends where the Swords and Sandals epics of the fifties, where they raided the Classical world of Rome and Greece. And the Biblical epics which also had the Sword and Sandals stuff too. War flics have come and gone too which war depending on the generation. QV the glut of Vietnam flics in the 70's and 80's, the WW2 flics in the 50's 60's and 70's. Pirate films had their run in the sun too.

Remakes? A shed load of them including some what are seen as true classics now. The Maltese Falcon was a remake and only a few years after the original too. The Scarface of the 80's was a remake. Some Like It Hot another. Kurosawa's Seven Samurai was remade as western(cos popular then) into The Magnificent Seven(it also inspired a load of other flics). God knows how many Mutiny on the Bounty's have been shot.

Yermande wrote: »

There are many auteur directors who don't edit their films. It's a relationship I don't really understand and I find it difficult to see where good direction ends and good editing begins. I'm sure there's huge overlap, but then again there are many celebrated editors so it must be a significant creative element in its own right.

Actually the original Star Wars is a good example. The pretty much final cut Lucas showed to the studio and friends was met with a large dose of WTF is this guff George? That's a film that was saved in the cutting room. The ending in particular with the suspense of the Death Star threatening to blow up our hero's base was all in editing, not how it was shot(the back and forth cuts to the special effect monitor screen of the base coming into target range just one example). It can be more subtle too, like in a film such as Jaws. The fake shark prop not working really helped, but so did the editing. Spielberg notes this when he talks about the process and how his editor Verna Fields transformed the film. For a start she cut out as much of the footage of the rubber shark(when it worked) as possible and trimmed shots more vigorously than Speilberg admits he would have. Threw in a load of jarring jump cuts to amp up tensions in the viewers too.

biko · 23-04-2019 1:56pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLqfXlIq6RE

kowloon · 23-04-2019 2:08pm

Time is a great filter, nobody remembers the terrible films and music from decades ago and longer unless they were so terrible that they gained a cult following. As someone who enjoys terrible films I can pretty much guarantee the list of films you're only seeing a narrow selection of what was out there in the 70s. Then you have the rise of cheap cameras and formats that allowed anyone to make a film. But with cinema releases there's so much money involved that the movies are pretty conservative, nobody wants to risk money on doing anything that doesn't have mass appeal. Terrible direct releases still exist but you won't find them in the cinema.

Music is a little different, we still see the same filter of people only listening to the good older stuff and not the rubbish. There's also the same flood of terrible music when it became cheap enough for anyone to put out a tape that they could record themselves with cheap equipment. But music made on the cheap isn't as limited as film: a few guys can buy studio time and record something professional sounding without the need for all the different specialists that go with movie making. The internet allows people to distribute music and bypass the publishers. The stuff that's left to the big labels is the highly refined pop stuff with the widest appeal and marketing muscle behind it. If it sounds very samey it's because they've gotten better at making music catchy and following the trends that generate the money. But good, well made music is all over the place if you look for it and you can access it on the likes of Youtube and iTunes just like the big money pop stuff.

That's my ****ty theory anyway, online everyone's an expert.

Yermande · 23-04-2019 2:14pm

kowloon wrote: »

Time is a great filter, nobody remembers the terrible films and music from decades ago and longer unless they were so terrible that they gained a cult following. As someone who enjoys terrible films I can pretty much guarantee the list of films you're only seeing a narrow selection of what was out there in the 70s. Then you have the rise of cheap cameras and formats that allowed anyone to make a film. But with cinema releases there's so much money involved that the movies are pretty conservative, nobody wants to risk money on doing anything that doesn't have mass appeal. Terrible direct releases still exist but you won't find them in the cinema.

Music is a little different, we still see the same filter of people only listening to the good older stuff and not the rubbish. There's also the same flood of terrible music when it became cheap enough for anyone to put out a tape that they could record themselves with cheap equipment. But music made on the cheap isn't as limited as film: a few guys can buy studio time and record something professional sounding without the need for all the different specialists that go with movie making. The internet allows people to distribute music and bypass the publishers. The stuff that's left to the big labels is the highly refined pop stuff with the widest appeal and marketing muscle behind it. If it sounds very samey it's because they've gotten better at making music catchy and following the trends that generate the money. But good, well made music is all over the place if you look for it and you can access it on the likes of Youtube and iTunes just like the big money pop stuff.

That's my ****ty theory anyway, online everyone's an expert.

This, all day long.

Gimme A Pound · 23-04-2019 2:21pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The “you like old stuff because you’re old” argument doesn’t work.

It's so disingenuous and unthinking - just a bandwagon thing to say for thanks.

If anyone honestly thinks mainstream music is no worse today than it was 40 or 50 years ago (and I'd be surprised if anyone actually does) they are deluding themselves to oblivion.

Maybe mainstream film is no different - I don't know.

On the flipside, TV is likely the best it's ever been.

rays schism · 23-04-2019 2:22pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sioF8URbx3M

xckjoo · 23-04-2019 2:25pm

Leandro Clever Sunbonnet wrote: »

It's so disingenuous and unthinking - just a bandwagon thing to say for thanks.

The age thing is a factor though. We like what's familiar to us and we're less adventurous as we get older.

Gimme A Pound · 23-04-2019 5:28pm

xckjoo wrote: »

The age thing is a factor though. We like what's familiar to us and we're less adventurous as we get older.

An element for sure, but I've considered mainstream music to be deteriorating ever since I was a teenager.

The Rape of Lucretia · 23-04-2019 7:53pm

Leandro Clever Sunbonnet wrote: »

An element for sure, but I've considered mainstream music to be deteriorating ever since I was a teenager.

Exactly. Thats the normal perception. Because you have gotten older. The music has no fundamental substance. Todays youth does think todays music is just as fine as you thought the music was when you were a teenager.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 23-04-2019 8:04pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Exactly. Thats the normal perception. Because you have gotten older. The music has no fundamental substance. Todays youth does think todays music is just as fine as you thought the music was when you were a teenager.

This argument has been made a few dozen times on this thread. While it’s true that older people might not like new music it’s also true that not every era is going to produce the same kind of brilliance across all art.

Most people acknowledge that TV is better, so maybe TV is actually better and music is actually worse rather than everything being the same all the time.

silverharp · 23-04-2019 8:09pm

there have been studies done on music, reading age of the lyrics has dropped and so has complexity, so objectively you could say music is worse now, except you have all the older stuff to fall back on i guess

dashcamdanny · 23-04-2019 8:18pm

Music took a nose dive when Nirvana came out, got worse when Oasis started trying (and failing) to sing.

The Rape of Lucretia · 23-04-2019 8:20pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

This argument has been made a few dozen times on this thread. While it’s true that older people might not like new music it’s also true that not every era is going to produce the same kind of brilliance across all art.

Older people dont like new mainstream music. But they can like music, new to them, if it is good enough. They will like Bach or Verdi, because it is very good. But not the lastest pop pap. They did like, and possible still do like, they pap of their youth. But not because it was better music, rather that it is the non musical associations that gave them the pleasure.
It the uniformly low quality of music that people alive can have heard at its launch, that leads people to think it was better in the past. It wasnt. It was just that they liked it. Not the same thing.

vetinari · 23-04-2019 8:21pm

Music is very much tied to the era you grew up in.
Music tastes change over time.

Movies though have gotten worse imo.
Sure, there's still plenty of decent indie movies but there's a definite decline in the making of decent dramas by Hollywood.
Hollywood isn't even attempting to make another Godfather type movie.
It's also noticeable how divergent Oscar winners have come from movies that have commercial success.

Moves are either incredibly "arty" these days or completely dumb. The middle ground seems to have been lost in Hollywood.
Super hero movies have been fun to watch but they're definitely reaching a saturation point.

Gimme A Pound · 23-04-2019 8:35pm

People are still trying to make out that mainstream music is no worse, when there used to be the likes of David Bowie, The Smiths, The Jam, Elvis Costello, The Who, New Order, The Cure, Marvin Gaye, Primal Scream, Talking Heads, Blondie, Kate Bush and the Stone Roses high in the charts.

The equivalent of Westlife in the 80s was Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet and Wham. Not a fan of any of them but they were still infinitely better.

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

This argument has been made a few dozen times on this thread. While it’s true that older people might not like new music it’s also true that not every era is going to produce the same kind of brilliance across all art.

Most people acknowledge that TV is better, so maybe TV is actually better and music is actually worse rather than everything being the same all the time.

I wouldn't even bother engaging with TRoL. You'd think they'd read stuff properly though. I started thinking music was getting sh1t when I was a teenager in the 90s. 13 actually. Most people would agree "oldness" is a long long time after 13.

snotboogie · 23-04-2019 8:39pm

Leandro Clever Sunbonnet wrote: »

On the flipside, TV is likely the best it's ever been.

This! You can’t bemoan modern film without acknowledging modern television. Compare The Duece to Midnight Cowboy....

dxhound2005 · 23-04-2019 9:12pm

vetinari wrote: »

Moves are either incredibly "arty" these days or completely dumb.

That's incredible.

sk8erboii · 23-04-2019 9:34pm

silverharp wrote: »

there have been studies done on music, reading age of the lyrics has dropped and so has complexity, so objectively you could say music is worse now, except you have all the older stuff to fall back on i guess

Low IQ argument.

I guess everyone should just listen to the exact same Tchaikovsky compositions

twinytwo · 23-04-2019 9:37pm

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

I dunno about music as I am sure the same will be said in 20-30 years time. There is a lot of crap around today but there was plenty crap before too, its easy to look back and only pick the better songs.

As for movies! I definitely agree with you!
I think movies in the past ~10 years have definitely dropped in quality.
Nothing but endless super hero movies...
Really can't think of anything that stands up or is even worth a second watch. Bar the now very odd few like Mad Max Fury Road.

Meanwhile TV has exploded, used to be where washed up actors went now it seems to be where you find the best.

As Connery said when he retired hollywood is now run by idiots (or something along those lines)

Unfortunately these day, similar to most things its about making as making as much money as possible, these means movies for the masses - this means generic superhero movies etc.

Dont get me wrong, these have their place but the market is saturated with it.

That being said, how many actors and directors have come through in the last 10/15 years that you would consider outstanding? For me most of them are british or trained in the likes of the old vic etc

twinytwo · 23-04-2019 9:43pm

Gorilla Woods wrote: »

The best super hero movie of all time was released in 2018, Avengers Infinity War which included the best villain of all time.

None of the marvel stuff can hold a candle to the dark knight. That set the bar so high i dont think it will ever be matched.

sk8erboii · 23-04-2019 9:55pm

twinytwo wrote: »

None of the marvel stuff can hold a candle to the dark knight. That set the bar so high i dont think it will ever be matched.

Lmfao

Nah. Nolans series didnt age well at all. The actors carried the movies but Nolan’s direction is laughable in hindsight.

The first 10 minutes of dark knight rises is the height of unintentional comedy. Bane’s voice and Nolans fight choreography is funnier than most comedy

https://youtu.be/IsF2DkNSZ7s

Really the only redeeming parts of Nolans trilogy are the actors (ledger especially) and the setpieces

The Rape of Lucretia · 23-04-2019 10:25pm

sk8erboii wrote: »

I guess everyone should just listen to the exact same Tchaikovsky compositions

If they did, they would prefer it to the mainstream music, regardless of their age.

Low grade music is propped up by the crutch of the ephemeral, fashion, rebellion, a sense of the search for the new, or specifically that which older people reject. Which leads to the phenomenon all are agreeing with here - becoming older is linked with a sense that modern music isnt as good as the past.

The Tschaikowsky is music intrinisically interesting and of high enough quality to stand the test without the need for fashion, style, clique, etc. So is interesting if looking for music. If looking for simple music as an accompaniement to non-musical peripheral frills, then contemporary music probably suffices.

Arghus · 23-04-2019 11:01pm

sk8erboii wrote: »

Lmfao

Nah. Nolans series didnt age well at all. The actors carried the movies but Nolan’s direction is laughable in hindsight.

The first 10 minutes of dark knight rises is the height of unintentional comedy. Bane’s voice and Nolans fight choreography is funnier than most comedy

https://youtu.be/IsF2DkNSZ7s

Really the only redeeming parts of Nolans trilogy are the actors (ledger especially) and the setpieces

What would be a modern cinema classic in your view?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 23-04-2019 11:15pm

sk8erboii wrote: »

Low IQ argument.

I guess everyone should just listen to the exact same Tchaikovsky compositions

Can you try up your game and stop starting your responses with ad hominems, insults, lols or zzzzzzzs.

If you try that you might find that people take your posts more seriously.

Why has the quality of mainstream film and music taken a nosedive since the 70's?

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