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ATH4: Guest host Danger Dave

  • 13-02-2008 03:24PM
    #1
    Bounty Hunter
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,105 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    ATH1 - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055176157
    ATH2 - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055187277
    ATH3 - http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=54765837#post54765837

    Around The Horn(ATH) is an american show on ESPN where a number of panelists/experts make arguments an a certain topic. The host awards points for each response depending on how well argued their point is, not neccesarily if he agrees with their point (although that helps) but how well they back up their argument. Obviously the winner is the person with the highest number of points at the end of the show. This format should work quite well here if anyone is interested, afterall there are a number of people here who like to think of themselves as experts on all things wrestling related, here is a chance to prove it.

    The first of 5 topics will be posted on friday and you will have two days before round two (so four full days now to decide on participation and enter your first answer). If you need info on the rules check the above linkes to the previous threads, but here is a brief rundown of them:

    Guest Host Danger Dave will post a topic and you have to post your response including why you made that choice within 48hrs (before the next round begins), take care while making your responses however as other contestants can counter your arguement i.e pointing out possible flaws in what youve said.

    *you can only counter an arguement once, although you can counter as many different peoples arguements as much as you want (but only once each). if someone's defense of their arguement isnt good it will count against them plus someone else might continue to question it in your place.

    *You can use the same answer as a previous poster if you wish i.e you agree with their choice however its hard to win a debate when your making the same points someone has already made

    each poster is marked out of 20 each round for a total of five rounds. If you miss a round (it happens) you can still submit an answer to that rounds question however because you missed the deadline in between rounds your late answer will only be marked out of 10.

    Former Champs are Vince135792003, Rosie1977 & Charlie Mchugh, will we have a two time champ or will a new contender emerge under the guest hos which I would like to introduce to you all Danger Dave (be nice to him:))


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  • #2
    Bounty Hunter
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,105 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    Im not running it this time as I doubt id have enough time atm Danger Dave (*not danget could a Mod change the title please*) offered his services as guest host and I was happy to give him the ok. He asked me to do the first post though so that it wouldent seem like he was hijacking the idea or something. He also asked if i would be competing myself and although im not sure how much time im going to have...

    Im in!

    so if anyone wants to take on the guy who usually marks you, heres your chance. I dont expect at all to win. I will prob answer each rd like I do any post i.e making up my post as i go and therefore I might have less thought out often essay like answers than some.


  • #3
    Bubs101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    I'll go for it again this time


  • #4
    Fozzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭Fozzy


    I'm in, should have the time


  • #5
    Vince135792003
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,045 ✭✭✭Vince135792003


    I'm out. Cutting heelish promos on 32 5 year olds expends alot of energy.


  • #6
    Fozzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭Fozzy


    Vince135792003 wrote: »
    I'm out. Cutting heelish promos on 32 5 year olds expends alot of energy.

    Telling the kids about how you get to school in a limo, how you've got custom made suits, unlike their uniforms, and kissed all their mothers and made them cry?


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  • #7
    Charlie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,818 ✭✭✭Charlie


    I reckon i'll give it a lash


  • #8
    Vince135792003
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,045 ✭✭✭Vince135792003


    Fozzy wrote: »
    Telling the kids about how you get to school in a limo, how you've got custom made suits, unlike their uniforms, and kissed all their mothers and made them cry?

    I wish. I'm more of a Sid Vicious promo type. And it's as effective in teaching as it is in wrestling! In other words, not very.


  • #9
    Bounty Hunter
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,105 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    Vince135792003 wrote: »
    I'm out. Cutting heelish promos on 32 5 year olds expends alot of energy.

    same reason i dont think ill have the time to host this time round, except mine are around 10 and all Wrestling fans even the girls its weird.


  • #10
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    Fozzy wrote: »
    Telling the kids about how you get to school in a limo, how you've got custom made suits, unlike their uniforms, and kissed all their mothers and made them cry?

    Post of the week! Woooooo!!!:D


  • #11
    Danger_Dave
    Closed Accounts Posts: 516 ✭✭✭Danger_Dave


    Alright People be kind :), anyway Guest Host coming in now, hope to do as good as BH. We all know its the same structure so ill just Ask the question.

    Round 1 : What would you choose for this years main event for WrestleMania and why ?

    SideNote: All brands can be included , so loads of different answers out there. Read first post by Bounty Hunter for rules, Next round will start in 2days


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  • #12
    Bubs101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    i'll start the ball rolling and say Randy Orton vs. John Cena but before I put my heart and soul into answering this, could I ask for a bit of clarification. CAn the match you pick be going against the number one contenders matches at NWO?


  • #13
    Bounty Hunter
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,105 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    I would choose John Cena vs Randy Orton vs HHH

    now I know that this isnt very creative / personalised as it already seems to be a possibility for the RAW main event so why choose this as my pick to main-event Wrestlemaina as apposed to say giving Jeff Hardy the push or let SD's likely main-event Edge vs The Undertaker headline the PPV?

    well there are nuerous reasons atleast seven-fold:

    1) My proposed match includes the winner of the Royal Rumble. We just had a thread on here about how not including the Rumble winner main-event WM could see the Rumble devalued and although not everyone was in agreement the very existance of the thread shows that some people think this would be the case. Obviously this is something I would and the WWE should avoid doing so imo John Cena (The Rumble winner) has to be involved in.

    2) along with being the Rumble winner John Cena is also the biggest draw the WWE has and would be the logical choice to main event the biggest PPV the company has.

    3) Randy Ortan is the current Champion and has been for months prior to now. If he was to be removed from the main event it would be extremley harsh IMO. He came in when injuries happened to other big stars and has since really stepped up and had some great matches for example his feud with HBK.

    4) HHH is argueably the 2nd biggest draw in the WWE and has a history with both Orton (Evolution) and Cena (previous WM) so if the match was a triple threat then HHH could be easily added to the mix and counted upon to have a good match considering the classic bouts he has had in the past.

    5)The Elimination Chamber has been anounced for NWO with the winner to get a shot at the champ at Wrestlemania and Raw's contestants are Umaga, HBK, Y2J, JBL, Jeff Hardy and HHH. so one of these wrestlers are going to be in the match. Y2J & JBL have their own feud going which can and should imo go the whole way to Mainia while Umaga isnt WM main-event level in my opinion so that leaves HHH, HBK and Hardy. Hardy despite still having had his momentum angle still going suffered a clean loss to Ortan at only the last PPV and I think this would damage him and any possible build for him in a WM main-event. so it would be between HHH & HBK Imo both of whom can bring it and are over with the fans and I would give HHH the nod as he has not been in the main event picture really since his return meanwhile HBK has been the man to step into the breach to cover for peoples injuries in the title situation and also as i mentioned in no.5 i would say that argueably HHH is second only to Cena atm as a draw.

    6)The reaction this match and combination of superstars could get from the audience. The match inclusdes a Heel (Orton) a Face (Cena) and a Tweener (HHH). Cena is argueably the most divisive champ ever in terms of the reaction he recieves, he is a major face and kids and women love the guy but he also gets big amounts of boos, no matter what the crowd is never quiet during a Cena match. Similarily HHH can be quite a divisive character he's a face but with an FU attitude and in general the crowd go nuts for the guy.

    7) Raw is the WWE's flagship program and imo should main-event WM unless SD has a much better match or possible WM moment to finish off WWE's biggest PPV and IMO this year it doesent. The SD main-event imo will be The Undertaker vs Edge which could be a good match, has history and could make for a good feud but the simple fact that Edge didnt win the MITB match at last years mania and his WM streak is over (although yes he wasnt pinned) tarnishes it a little for me as it now cant be streak vs streak. So instead I ( a taker fan) would plump for Cena vs Ortan vs HHH.

    also it being a triple threat as apposed to Cena vs Ortan or Ortan vs HHH or Cena vs HHH means it would be a atch we actually havent had before as the other three singles bouts have all been done.


    (dont expect answers this long from monday onwards from me :))


  • #14
    Danger_Dave
    Closed Accounts Posts: 516 ✭✭✭Danger_Dave


    Bubs101 wrote: »
    i'll start the ball rolling and say Randy Orton vs. John Cena but before I put my heart and soul into answering this, could I ask for a bit of clarification. CAn the match you pick be going against the number one contenders matches at NWO?

    It can go against the NWO number one conteders shot, but you would have to show how you would develop the main event while explaining why the NWO contender lost his shot. Its the WWE change anything at anytime , so why cant we :)


  • #15
    Machismo Fan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭Machismo Fan


    Despite my failings last time, I'll give it a go.

    Hardy v Cena

    Its the super feud for WWE. Both are currently super over and these two would have a massive collision. Hardy is a WWE veteran by now and he deserves the main event at their biggest show of the year. No matter what by now I'd say we're going to have Cena at WM so why not in a place to put the fastest rising star in there. Yes, I just said hes a veteran but he was never really pushed until his excellent feud with Orton.

    This would be a massive draw and all the kiddies love both of them, put them both in a match and not only would be a good match worthy of the WM main event and will certainly will draw. Its also a fresh match for WWE unlike Cena v HHH or Cena v Orton.


  • #16
    Fozzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭Fozzy


    I'd go with Orton vs Cena, scrapping their NWO match

    Cena's far and away WWE's biggest star so he should be in the biggest match. Orton is the man who "injured" him. There's that back story already in place, as well as Orton being awarded the title which I think WWE should really play up more

    They both work well together as seen last year. One of the criticisms of this match is that though, that we've seen it. That's why I wouldn't have the NWO match. I'd have Orton knock Cena out backstage at the PPV and then have Orton act all pleased with himself on Raw, before the WM main event is announced. Again playing up the fact that Orton doesn't deserve the belt and that he injured Cena and went too far

    As for the winner of the EC, I'd have them take Rey's place in the title match at NWO


  • #17
    Bubs101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    Well seeing as Orton vs. Cena got nabbed while I was awaiting clarification of the question (grrrrrrr) I'll make somewhat of a leftfield choice and go for a fatal four way match between Hardy-HHH-Orton and Cena

    How I would make it happen;
    I would have Cena beat Orton with at NWO but have Orton invoke his rematch clause and refuse a match before Wrestlemania thus involving those 2. I would solve the elimination chamber by having both Hardy and Hunter being unable to reach the 10 count after Hardy swanton bombs him from the top of the cell thus making it a draw and giving them both a slot at Mania. Would also take the oppurtunity to turn HHH and have him teaming up with Orton to try and take them out before Mania

    Why I would make it happen;
    The main event in Wrestlemania should be from the main brand, Raw and include the biggest draw, Cena and the biggest heel, Orton. It would have one of the most experienced main eventers there in HHH and a genuine chance of an upset as well as rewarding a superstar with a big match in Hardy. These elements would guarantee a great match and there is a backstory for all of them as mentioned by others earlier,bar HArdy and Cena but I would solve that by teaming them up before the match and having a loyalty angle. Bounty Hunter mentioned the crowd being hot for the three way but Hardy would add a massive "Rey Mysterio" like underdog factor. The crowd would go electric if he got a close 2 count on Cena and it would add a whole new dimension to the proposed 3-way.
    All 4 our great in the ring and you would have a great mix of styles. A powerhouse in Hunter, a never-say-die crowd favourite in Cena, a high-flying underdog in Hardy and a oppurtunistic dirty heel in Orton. The roles would all fit in perfectly. Considering the amount of momentum that all 4 of these have going into NWO it would be one of the biggest draws they've had in years.


  • #18
    Fozzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭Fozzy


    Bubs101 wrote: »
    Well seeing as Orton vs. Cena got nabbed while I was awaiting clarification of the question (grrrrrrr) I'll make somewhat of a leftfield choice and go for a fatal four way match between Hardy-HHH-Orton and Cena

    Haha, sorry! I didn't read any replies before I posted!


  • #19
    Rjd2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,276 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Oh just read this so sorry about this repy..
    The Rated R Superstar v The Deadman...more to come after the United v Arsena match!!!


  • #20
    Rjd2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,276 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Edge v Taker then..
    Undertaker is still absurdly over, Cena may also get a massive pop but a good bit of that consists of boos. Taker on the other hand is totally over he’s the number one face in the company who was screwed three times over the last year by the number one heel in the company Edge. Edge has being a star since he got his push, he got buried by HHH’S politics when he should have headlined Mania and sacrificing his undefeated Mania streak to give the undeserving Kennedy a push was stupid. The build up after Taker wins the chamber has the potential to be amazing, Edge is a god on the mic and its going to be great fun watching Edge sacrifice Vicki, Chavo the Edgeheads in a bit to avoid Taker till Mania,. When Mania comes around everyone is going to want Taker to annihilate Edge and finally with Taker having ripped through the rated r army Edge will have no way to hide. The match itself will be quality, Edge after finally getting his deserved Mania headlining spot will perform above himself, he will cheat, he will infuriate the crowd he will probably even use chairs however Taker will after an a amazing twelve months in the ring where he has carried Smackdown will be rewarded with his long awaited moment in the sun by getting his revenge with an amazing tombstone to get the win. The pop will be absolutely massive when he gets the belt in fact unless Hogan comes back it wont be beaten.
    So it summarise why it should headline Mania, it will be an a amazing draw, the anticipation has being building for months and the match itself will be quality.


  • #21
    Danger_Dave
    Closed Accounts Posts: 516 ✭✭✭Danger_Dave


    Ill post the scores and the next question in few hours, give few more people a chance to participate .

    P.S Man its so hard not to post ! Next Question from the brain of Vince135.. :)


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  • #22
    Vince135792003
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,045 ✭✭✭Vince135792003


    Danger_Dave wrote: »

    Next Question from the brain of Vince135

    And what a question it is.


  • #23
    Charlie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,818 ✭✭✭Charlie


    I said that I would participate, but i forgot that i'm heading to Newcastle midweek, so not much point.

    Best of luck to all involved, but be warned, I will be back to take my title back (insert cold stare)


  • #24
    Danger_Dave
    Closed Accounts Posts: 516 ✭✭✭Danger_Dave


    ATH:Round 2
    Q : Out of all the woman that have been in wrestling, which one has had the greatest impact and why? (Credit for Question goes to Vince )

    Current leader board
    1. Bubs 101 (18)
    2. Bounty Hunter (17)
    3. RjD2 (16)
    3. Cactus Col (16)
    4. Fozzy (15)
    4. Machismo Fan (15)

    So Round 1 is over, pity theres only 5 people entered, but people can join late, and unlike Bounty Hunter For Round 1 if you submit the first Round question late, i will mark it on its merit, however late entry's in further rounds will be penalized.

    Bubs101- Excellent Idea, clearly focused characters. How the wrestling would take place and how the audience would enjoy the aspects of all the different characters

    Machismo Fan- You pick jeff, fair enough, viable since we saw his big push for the royal rumble. However you dont acknowledge how much momentum he's lost since losing to Orton clean and how that would effect his Status for Main event at wrestlemania.

    Fozzy- You didnt Clarify who would win th EC and what would happend after they won, do they fight edge at No way out after the EC/ Or at WM ?. You just cut the EC out of the equation even though its a part of the story now for WM.

    Ill try and keep notes for top and bottom each round. Comments might not be as long in future rounds :)


  • #25
    Bubs101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    Right, I'll take Lita but I won't be able to post an answer until tommorow.


  • #26
    Bounty Hunter
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,105 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    didnt want to say until the round was over but really like the idea of Bubs's fatal-four way. this could be interesting also with only a small group competing this time.

    im going to go with Chyna.... more to come


  • #27
    Bounty Hunter
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,105 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    good question

    ---
    Chyna "The ninth wonder of the world" in my opinion had the greatest impact of all the women who have been in Wrestling.

    In 1999, Chyna was the #30 entrant in the Royal Rumble in doing so she become the first ever woman to compete in the Rumble. Chyna was the first women to do a lot of things infact. at No Mercy 1999 in she defeated Jeff Jarrett in his last WWF match and in the process become the first and only woman to ever win the Intercontinental Championship. Not only did Chyna do what no other women has done and become IC champ but she went on infact to be a 3-time Intercontinental champion. She was also the first female WWE star to be used in the copanies cross marketing deal with Playboy when she appeared in the magazine (now a common occurance for Divas) back in 2000, she didnt just appear in the magazine either she was the Covergirl.

    She appeared in a number of factions such as DX, The Corporation and the Corporate Ministry and managed/acted as a valet for a huge range of Wrestlers From Kane to Eddie Guerrero. Although she often played the typical female role as the wrestlers girlfriend or Mamacita in Guerrero's case she broke the mold for how Females could be used in such roles and actually occupied the role of Enforcer on more than one occasion includion most noteably with DX.

    People legitimatley accepted her competing against men and she showed that women in wrestling didnt have to be confined to wrestling womens matches and the role of eye-candy. Infact she showed that women in wrestling didnt automatically have to be "Divas" (with reference to their looks) and instead could be real competitors. However she also competed in the Womens division where she was dominant. Chyna is one of very few people who left the company as champion as she won her final match for the WWE womens title against Lita which meant the title was left vacan upon her departure.


  • #28
    Charlie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,818 ✭✭✭Charlie


    She was also the first female WWE star to be used in the copanies cross marketing deal with Playboy when she appeared in the magazine (now a common occurance for Divas) back in 2000, she didnt just appear in the magazine either she was the Covergirl.

    Sorry to be a stickler BH but Sable holds that title.


  • #29
    Bounty Hunter
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,105 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    charlie mchugh wrote: »
    Sorry to be a stickler BH but Sable holds that title.

    thats what i get for just writing and not researching and preparing it in advance etc im sure if you hadnt pointed that out someone else would have. though you never know i might have got away with it


  • #30
    Cactus Col
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭Cactus Col


    Danger_Dave wrote: »

    So Round 1 is over, pity theres only 5 people entered, but people can join late, and unlike Bounty Hunter For Round 1 if you submit the first Round question late, i will mark it on its merit, however late entry's in further rounds will be penalized.

    Okay, don't know how I missed this on friday, but I'm gonna take advantage and jump in here, if nobody minds.

    My answer for round 1 is this (I haven't seen NWO yet but I assume it went as I'm about to describe):

    I would have to go for Cena V JBL V Y2J.

    How would I have made it happen?

    Quite easily, Cena would go over Orton at no way out in a nice drawn out fight. However before the match I'd have had JBL come down to the ring to make a one time return to the commentator's table. As the match progresses JBL tries to distract Cena at every opportunity. But is frustrated by Orton's inability to get the job done. 15 minutes in, after a lot of back and forth action, Cena gets knocked to the outside, Orton goes to follow, but the ref intersedes and argues with orton .... JBL takes his chance, CLOTHESLINE FROM HELL! JBL picks orton up and rolls him back into the ring, and returns to the table. Orton goes for the pin, but no, foot on bottom rope. JBL rages. Up again, shouting at orton from ringside, but while JBL has orton distracted Cena recovers and hits the FU! 1....2.....3! However before he can celebrate his victory JBL is in and hits Cena with the a steel chair. Starts giving him the boots. Jericho appears, runs down the aisle, but JBL has the chair again. Y2J and JBL face off for a moment, Cena gets to his feet behind Bradshaw. As JBL goes to swing the chair at Jericho, Cena grabs it from his hands. y2J goes to superkick a surprised layfield, but jbl moves, and jericho connects with Cena, knocking him for ten. Suddenly the ring is flooded with officials breaking up the brawl.

    The elimination chamber starts next, a good healthy war between the 6 combatants. A bloody brawl ends in all 6 men busted open, and several referees lying prone on the outside. In the middle stands JBL victorious, however, it was not him who eliminated y2j, who succumbed to a bit of skullduggery by triple h.

    Why I would make this happen:



    Here you have the three of the best talkers in the wwe at the moment. Cena is the top babyface, but still draws boos from certain sections of the audience. Y2J draws cheers from every part of the arena, and with the right push is more than capable of getting great responses, he is also one of the most capable wrestlers in the promotion, able to get great matches out of not so great opponents. And JBL, only Edge might be able to equal him in getting heat from crowds, this is a man who could inspire Mother Theresa to spit on his grave. (if he were dead and she alive).

    JBL and Jericho have been having a tremendous feud since they returned. Quite possibly the feud of the year, dropping cena in would add a little extra spark to the tinderbox and would set the preparations for mania running at a high gear. All three men are familiar with each other, and with the extra polish that Cena has added to his ring work in the past year, a great match is almost gauranteed.

    To add to the great skills of each man there is also a storied history for them. As well as JBL's feud with Jericho, JBL previously feuded with Cena, dropping the belt to him at wrestlemania in 2005. This feud between JBL and Cena played out on smackdown, so while many raw viewers would be aware of the hatred between them, the matchup would still come off as being fresh. And who could forget that it was Cena that caused Jericho to be fired from raw.


    I'll have my round 2 up in the afternoon.


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  • #31
    Danger_Dave
    Closed Accounts Posts: 516 ✭✭✭Danger_Dave


    Cactus your post has been scored and ive edited the scores at the end of round 1 to add you in, Anyone else who wants to come in late has until tomorrow afternoon, when Round 3 starts no more people will have points given for questions on Round 1/2.

    Still alot of people to post on this question, Can Fozzy come back ? , Can Rjd2 push up from mid table ? :) .

    P.S A mistake from Bounty Hunter, how rare


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