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Cycling "riskier" than driving

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    #32
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    concussion wrote: »
    She swerved in front - he slammed on the brakes. Seems to me that he saw here there, why exactly does she need a hi-viz jacket?
    maybe because it would give the bus driver a bit more time to react next time round. Wonder what that woman is doing cycling up a one way street thinks the bus driver instead of WTF!


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    #33
    Lumen
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    Captain Havoc wrote: »
    A hi-viz bib don't cost a lot, I don't see what harm it is to throw one on.

    It looks dorky.


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    #34
    Captain Havoc
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    Lumen wrote: »
    It looks dorky.

    Better than looking dead!

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    #35
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    Lumen wrote: »
    It looks dorky.
    Would you rather be a live dork or a dead hipster


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    #36
    Lumen
    Registered Users Posts: 31,020 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Captain Havoc wrote: »
    Better than looking dead!

    Indeed, if there was a correlation.


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    #37
    Lumen
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    bayviewclose wrote: »
    Would you rather be a live dork or a dead hipster

    Is there a third option?


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    #38
    petethedrummer
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    bayviewclose wrote: »
    maybe because it would give the bus driver a bit more time to react next time round. Wonder what that woman is doing cycling up a one way street thinks the bus driver instead of WTF!
    Well maybe if the bus was painted in luminous yellow with a scotchlite stripe she might have seen it. You can't hold her responsible if the bus company doesn't want to make their buses visible.

    I still think we should paint the entire world luminous yellow and wrap it in scotchlite.


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    #39
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    People are free to wear what they want, but what I've a problem with is the implication that if you don't deck yourself out in high-viz clothing it's somehow your responsibility if you get hit.


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    #40
    Lumen
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    Look, how, how, how is it possible for the most unambiguous video ever posted to ferment an argument?

    Show eleventy million cyclists that video, and you'll get eleventy million responses the same. The video was full of suicidal morons. Being a suicidal moron is moronic and suidical. End of analysis.

    What the hell has hi-vis and helmets got to do with anything?


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    #41
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    petethedrummer wrote: »
    Well maybe if the bus was painted in luminous yellow with a scotchlite stripe she might have seen it. You can't hold her responsible if the bus company doesn't want to make their buses visible.

    I still think we should paint the entire world luminous yellow and wrap it in scotchlite.
    I think we should just re-programme all cyclists via electro therapy to think along the same line as motorists when using the roads.


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    #42
    concussion
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    bayviewclose wrote: »
    maybe because it would give the bus driver a bit more time to react next time round. Wonder what that woman is doing cycling up a one way street thinks the bus driver instead of WTF!

    He saw her and braked. If we extend your argument of doing everything possible to be seen we would wear emergency-service style lights on our heads so the driver could have been alerted when she was 500 metres away.

    For the record, while I don't wear a hi-viz jacket, I do wear a bright red jacket with reflective trim. My Crud-Catcher is bright red with Scotchlite stickers on it and my back pack has a fluorescent strip and flashing red light on it....

    HOWEVER

    I think cycling predictably and observing the rules of the road is much more important than being highly visible (during the day). Nearly all the cycling shown in that video was absolutely terrible and I wouldn't be surprised if they were involved in accidents as a result of their ignorance/brazen flouting of the ROTR.


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    #43
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    End of the day cyclists repeatedly take short cuts. If they want to be treated seriously as road users than they must comply with the rules of the road.


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    #44
    Stark
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    bayviewclose wrote: »
    End of the day cyclists repeatedly take short cuts. If they want to be treated seriously as road users than they must comply with the rules of the road.

    What have the rules of the road got to do with wearing hi-viz vests or lights during the day? Or even helmets for that matter (cycling helmets are a feature of habit rather than law).

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    #45
    concussion
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    bayviewclose wrote: »
    I think we should just re-programme all cyclists via electro therapy to think along the same line as motorists when using the roads.

    What, so cyclists will have to speed, not use indicators, fail to understand roundabouts, leave the bike in the middle of the road while we pop into the shop, park in handicapped spaces, stop in yellow grids, stop in bus lanes, stop in pedestrian crossings, etc etc ???

    Not saying a lot of cyclist are much better, but a hell of a lot of motorists don't have much regard for the ROTR either.


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    #46
    Captain Havoc
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    I think there are things we can do to reduce the risk of accident. Wearing hi-viz is one of these. If I'm cycling at night I'll always be in hi-viz and if during the day something red, blue or another colour that is easily seen.

    Lumen, you're right, the cycling in the clip was appauling. They went to make a point, they proved that point by showing clips of a bike under a truck (on the blind-side) and a woman swerving out in front of a bus. In our good sense we know that this type of suicidal cycling is moronic.

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    #47
    i71jskz5xu42pb
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    bayviewclose wrote: »
    End of the day cyclists repeatedly take short cuts. If they want to be treated seriously as road users than they must comply with the rules of the road.

    This is exactly the reason I don't take pedestrians seriously as road users. Bloody jaywalkers have what's coming to them.....

    Yours,
    Cptn Generalisation.


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    #48
    Lumen
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    bayviewclose wrote: »
    End of the day cyclists repeatedly take short cuts. If they want to be treated seriously as road users than they must comply with the rules of the road.

    With respect, this sort of generalisation makes no sense.

    On my daily commute I see cars breaking red lights at every single junction. This does not mean that I treat motorists with disrespect.


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    #49
    Captain Havoc
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    bayviewclose wrote: »
    End of the day cyclists repeatedly take short cuts. If they want to be treated seriously as road users than they must comply with the rules of the road.

    I wish to be excluded from that comment.

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    #50
    petethedrummer
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    So this report suggests cycling is more dangours than driving.

    So just how dangerous in absolute terms? On a chart from Knitting to Lion Taming please.

    These hospital admissions...how serious are the injuries?

    All I know is with this sort of reporting the ladies will think I'm a real devil-may-care type just for cycling to work. More of this please.


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    #51
    Stark
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    Captain Havoc wrote: »
    If I'm cycling at night I'll always be in hi-viz and if during the day something red, blue or another colour that is easily seen.

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    #52
    petethedrummer
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    bayviewclose wrote: »
    I think we should just re-programme all cyclists via electro therapy to think along the same line as motorists when using the roads.
    Like people who pass me too close every morning? or the woman 2 weeks ago who broke the lights and drove across a junction towards me? Or the bus driver who tried to edge me into a wall? or like almost every driver who breaks the speed limit? or like the drivers who park in bike lanes? or the drivers who tailgate me on the bike? or like the drivers who drive in bus lanes? or like the drivers who 'nip through' as the lights turn red? or like the drivers who don't use indicators? or like the drivers who don't know which lane to use on a roundabout? or the drivers who get stuck in yellow boxes?

    I don't think that would help.


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    #53
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    petethedrummer wrote: »
    Like people who pass me too close every morning? or the woman 2 weeks ago who broke the lights and drove across a junction towards me? Or the bus driver who tried to edge me into a wall? or like almost every driver who breaks the speed limit? or like the drivers who park in bike lanes? or the drivers who tailgate me on the bike? or like the drivers who drive in bus lanes? or like the drivers who 'nip through' as the lights turn red? or like the drivers who don't use indicators? or like the drivers who don't know which lane to use on a roundabout? or the drivers who get stuck in yellow boxes?

    I don't think that would help.
    Know what the big difference is. If a motorist is caught parking in a cycling lane he is likely to be penalised. If he runs the red light he is pulled over with possibility of picking up penalty points. What happens if a cyclist does it.


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    #54
    TimAllen
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    petethedrummer wrote: »
    Like people who pass me too close every morning? or the woman 2 weeks ago who broke the lights and drove across a junction towards me? Or the bus driver who tried to edge me into a wall? or like almost every driver who breaks the speed limit? or like the drivers who park in bike lanes? or the drivers who tailgate me on the bike? or like the drivers who drive in bus lanes? or like the drivers who 'nip through' as the lights turn red? or like the drivers who don't use indicators? or like the drivers who don't know which lane to use on a roundabout? or the drivers who get stuck in yellow boxes?

    I don't think that would help.
    Just coz you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not all out to get you!:pac:


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    #55
    Stark
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    bayviewclose wrote: »
    Know what the big difference is. If a motorist is caught parking in a cycling lane he is likely to be penalised. If he runs the red light he is pulled over with possibility of picking up penalty points. What happens if a cyclist does it.

    They get fined.

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    #56
    Raam
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    bayviewclose wrote: »
    End of the day cyclists repeatedly take short cuts. If they want to be treated seriously as road users than they must comply with the rules of the road.

    I comply with the rules of the road. Now what?


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    #57
    concussion
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    Raam wrote: »
    I comply with the rules of the road. Now what?

    Ditto.

    This thread is awesome.

    So......front lights - flashing or constant?

    Edit - anyone want a slice?

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    #58
    Chips Lovell
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    bayviewclose wrote: »
    If a motorist is caught parking in a cycling lane he is likely to be penalised. If he runs the red light he is pulled over with possibility of picking up penalty points. What happens if a cyclist does it.

    He gets a summons.


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    #59
    Lumen
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    Stark wrote: »
    They get fined.

    Or worse.

    edit: beaten by Tonto, again


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    #60
    Canis Lupus
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    Kimberly Rough Windstorm wrote: »
    provided you apply the smallest amount of common sense.

    That's my point even if my point is OTT. You can get on a bike and cycle in the busiest roads of one of the busiest cities in the world and have never driven and have no knowledge/understanding of the rules of the road.

    Then said person gets knocked off their bike, becomes a statistic and people go on about how 'dangerous' cycling is.


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    #61
    vektarman
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    Not the first time Bayviewclose has had a go at cyclists, I choose to ignore him.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055602335&highlight=dollymount&page=2


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