Do you take Cocaine

ScumLord

Wertz wrote: »

Both MDMA and cocaine have been proven in laboratory tests to cause irreversible damage to brain neurons. Cocaine is also a strong corrosive agent on organic matter. To say that either drug in their purest form is harmless is quite frankly misleading.
Of any intoxicating substance used regularly by humans, only heroin and other opiates are harmless to bodily systems; ie once all traces of opiate are removed, it's nearly impossible to tell if that person had ever used them. I include alcohol, THC caffeine and nicotine in that list.

Alcohol and nicotine leave no traces??? Surely the damage they do to the body would be evidence that they've been in the system.

redfan

i work on a door for sevrel years now . i could write a book about this subject.
ive seen father and son in the same cubicles doing it mothers husbands etc doing it all walks of life its rampant . ive seen guys at funerals christnings outside the pub ringing there guy to get it outside the pubs.
i dont practice drugs at all. not saying im a saint or anything .
sure i dont even drink. seeing what goes on in this city 1st hand i think its probably put me off completly anyway

redfan

wil

ScumLord wrote: »

Alcohol and nicotine leave no traces??? Surely the damage they do to the body would be evidence that they've been in the system.

Your confusion is irrational and your reading confused.

What wertz said was perfectly clear. Alcohol and nicotine are not included in the list of substances that leave no trace chemical residuals or indicators.

DeVore

The fact is that people are taking "white powder" and "white pills"... they actually have no idea what they are made of in fact.

Most Ecxtasy these days is mostly ketamine and speed (what a combo *that* is!). MDMA constitutes very little of it (if any). Coke is so cut down by the time it reachs here that if it EVER did have cocaine in it now you'd be hardpressed to know.
Its cut with Speed and talc... if you are lucky.

I've never taken either. Nothing white, nothing powdery, nothing expensive. Those are my rules.

DeV.

JC 2K3

DeVore wrote: »

Most Ecxtasy these days is mostly ketamine and speed (what a combo *that* is!). MDMA constitutes very little of it (if any).

As a matter of interest, if you never do E, how would you know what's in most of it these days?

Check out: http://www.ecstasydata.org/datastats.php?row=Substances&percent=1

Now, these stats are from the US, but it's not going to differ radically here. As you see, 65% of pills tested this year contained MDMA, only 8.6% contained Ketamine and 0% contained Speed(Amphetamines), so to say that ecstasy these days is mostly ketamine and speed is utter bs.

Tar.Aldarion

No, never.

hottstuff

Nope , & never will.

Terry

JC 2K3 wrote: »

As a matter of interest, if you never do E, how would you know what's in most of it these days?

Check out: http://www.ecstasydata.org/datastats.php?row=Substances&percent=1

Now, these stats are from the US, but it's not going to differ radically here. As you see, 65% of pills tested this year contained MDMA, only 8.6% contained Ketamine and 0% contained Speed(Amphetamines), so to say that ecstasy these days is mostly ketamine and speed is utter bs.

Erowid: A site for those who only want to read good things about drugs and ignore even the smallest bad thing.

What you failed to mention in your exhaustive research there is that only 28.6% of the pills tested were pure MDMA.
You also left out the fact that the other pills also contained Methamphetamine (22.9%), MDA (5.7%), Modafinil (5.7%), Phenobarbitil (2.9%), Procaine (8.6%), Caffiene (31.4%) and 2.9% unidentified substances.

The survey (and that's all it is) does not state if these other substances were mixed together.

I suggest you do your own chemical analysis and stop relying on some website for your statistics.

JCDUB

Sneachta, the devil's dandruff I tell ye, terrible stuff altogether.

daveharnett

Volvoboy wrote: »

as far as i'm concerned you are just to blame for any person who gets murderd over drugs, because if you we'rent buying they [dealers] wouldnt have a market to sell!

I've heard this argument quite a lot recently, starting with mary mcaleese (spelling?). I agree that we could all be more responsible consumers (and not just with the illegal stuff), however the argument falls down when our society supports an environment where responsible nonviolent sellers cannot go to the authorities if violent criminal types impinge on their business.

In other words, would it not be more logical to take this money out of violent drug lords/smugglers/dealers hands with one stroke by legalising it? I have no interest in coke, but i'll support anyone's right to take it (or heroin/mushrooms/hookers/whatever-you're-having-yourself), provided they don't break any 'real' laws while they're on it.

Terry

daveharnett wrote: »

I've heard this argument quite a lot recently, starting with mary mcaleese (spelling?). I agree that we could all be more responsible consumers (and not just with the illegal stuff), however the argument falls down when our society supports an environment where responsible nonviolent sellers cannot go to the authorities if violent criminal types impinge on their business.

In other words, would it not be more logical to take this money out of violent drug lords/smugglers/dealers hands with one stroke by legalising it? I have no interest in coke, but i'll support anyone's right to take it (or heroin/mushrooms/hookers/whatever-you're-having-yourself), provided they don't break any 'real' laws while they're on it.

Any real laws?

I think everyone should be allowed to commit rape.
Therefore, by the logic used in your post, commiting rape isn't really againt the law.

Don't agree?

But people have been doing it for thousands of years. It's traditional in some cultures. It's not really harming anyone and other such ridiculous arguements.

If you break the law, then you deserve to be punished.

Don't want the punishment? Don't break the law. Simple as that.

rubadub

Terry wrote: »

What you failed to mention in your exhaustive research there is that only 28.6% of the pills tested were pure MDMA.

I would say that is overestimated too. When producing these drugs it is hard to make them pure, different analogs can be made in production. Drinking alcohol is ethanol, yet commerical drinks will nearly all contain methanol too and many other chemicals formed in the brewing process. Cider has probably the highest % of methanol and hence gives worse hangovers. The "cleaning" or "washing" of drugs means a lower yield so many clandestine chemists will not bother, and can leave traces of precursor drugs in the mix. Some are fairly benign, but some are dangerous.

Cocaine will be cut with all sorts of crap, the only real benefit of pressed tablets is a reduction in the chances of it being diluted further. A clandestine chemist at least has a knowledge of chemistry and will have commerical fillers available to him, or at least use something like glucose or caffeine tablets. I would not like to think of what ignorant scumbags use to cut cocaine. Just look at heroin, most deaths are due to contaminants, and the recent cocain deaths look like it is going the same way, passing through many hands/dealers.

The poll needs a few more selections. I know plenty of people who have used cocaine, and very few who do regularly. From reading posts here it seems many feel the same, tried it and never did it again.

There are many things in the media blabbing on about it being a "middle class drug". It is about as expensive as going to the (overpriced) pub these days.

ScumLord

Terry wrote: »

Any real laws?

I think everyone should be allowed to commit rape.
Therefore, by the logic used in your post, commiting rape isn't really againt the law.

Don't agree?

But people have been doing it for thousands of years. It's traditional in some cultures. It's not really harming anyone and other such ridiculous arguements.

If you break the law, then you deserve to be punished.

Don't want the punishment? Don't break the law. Simple as that.

Using a drug is something you do to yourself, no harm would come of it if the government hadn't handed control over to gangs. Raping someone is completely different.

Terry

ScumLord wrote: »

Using a drug is something you do to yourself, no harm would come of it if the government hadn't handed control over to gangs. Raping someone is completely different.

Ok. Using cocaine only harms yourself.
Come back to me when you have been mugged by some cocaine addict.
Legalisation of cocaine will not make it less addictive.

JC 2K3

Terry wrote: »

Erowid: A site for those who only want to read good things about drugs and ignore even the smallest bad thing.

Where did I make reference to Erowid in my post?

In any case, in my experience, Erowid is a fairly neutral resource for drug info. I can post links to some articles which outline the negative effects of certain drugs if you like.

Terry wrote: »

What you failed to mention in your exhaustive research there is that only 28.6% of the pills tested were pure MDMA.
You also left out the fact that the other pills also contained Methamphetamine (22.9%), MDA (5.7%), Modafinil (5.7%), Phenobarbitil (2.9%), Procaine (8.6%), Caffiene (31.4%) and 2.9% unidentified substances.

Well yes, but I was trying to prove that most ecstasy isn't a mixture of ketamine and speed, like DeVore claimed, rather than trying to prove that the majority of E tabs are pure MDMA.

Terry wrote: »

The survey (and that's all it is) does not state if these other substances were mixed together.

It does, you just have to explore the site a little more. It shows pictures and lists the contents of every pill tested.

Terry wrote: »

I suggest you do your own chemical analysis and stop relying on some website for your statistics.

I use the internet as a general guide, not an absolute one. Pill testing kits are widely available, and it would be advisable for anyone wanting to do E to get one.

ScumLord

Terry wrote: »

Ok. Using cocaine only harms yourself.
Come back to me when you have been mugged by some cocaine addict.
Legalisation of cocaine will not make it less addictive.

But that could take ages, I've never even seen a cocaine addict in the flesh.

Terry

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Where did I make reference to Erowid in my post?

EcstasyData.org is an independent laboratory pill testing program co-sponsored by Erowid, Dancesafe, and MAPS.

In any case, in my experience, Erowid is a fairly neutral resource for drug info. I can post links to some articles which outline the negative effects of certain drugs if you like.

In the interest of fairness...

Well yes, but I was trying to prove that most ecstasy isn't a mixture of ketamine and speed, like DeVore claimed, rather than trying to prove that the majority of E tabs are pure MDMA.

Sorry. I forgot to mention the 8.6% Ketamine.
Did you even read that page, or just look at the first couple of stats?

It does, you just have to explore the site a little more. It shows pictures and lists the contents of every pill tested.

I suggest you do the same.

Terry

ScumLord wrote: »

But that could take ages, I've never even seen a cocaine addict in the flesh.

How do you know?

Just for the record, they don't all look like Daniella Westbrook.

Terry

Terry wrote: »

In the interest of fairness...



Sorry. I forgot to mention the 8.6% Ketamine.
Did you even read that page, or just look at the first couple of stats?


I suggest you do the same.

In fairness that is an American centric site. Considering pills are as low as a few euro each here and that in Yankland they fetch anywhere from $10 - $60 depending on the area, there is more motivation to adulterate them.

I saw a study to that effect which I can't seem to dig out.

Just say no!

.

Dragan

Terry wrote: »

Ok. Using cocaine only harms yourself.
Come back to me when you have been mugged by some cocaine addict.
Legalisation of cocaine will not make it less addictive.

Plenty of people work nine to five and enjoy drugs Terry. Not everyone who does a bit of "this and that" ends up as a junkie either.

hottstuff

Terry wrote: »

Legalisation of cocaine will not make it less addictive.

Nor will it reduce the deaths associated with it , as a lot of them are SADS(sudden adult death syndrome) associated with unatural changes in the body , heart rate blood thickness etc.
All that will happen is it will reveal a scapegoat , ie the regulatory body or Govt.etc.
This is why you will never see any sort of legislation to deal with this other than prohibited use!!!!

hottstuff

Dragan wrote: »

Plenty of people work nine to five and enjoy drugs Terry. Not everyone who does a bit of "this and that" ends up as a junkie either.

And so recreational drug use should be acceptable no matter what the substance , as long as the person feels they are in control?
I think the main issue nowadays is there are far too many people who consider Cocaine as an acceptable recreational drug , when in fact it is destroying our society much worse than Heroin did in the 80s , and why? , beacuse you don't see the cocaine junkie and acceptability grows.

Dragan

hottstuff wrote: »

And so recreational drug use should be acceptable no matter what the substance , as long as the person feels they are in control?

Nope, i am just saying that branding every one who does coke as a junkie is the same as branding everyone who drinks and alcho i.e rubbish.

hottstuff

Dragan wrote: »

Nope, i am just saying that branding every one who does coke as a junkie is the same as branding everyone who drinks and alcho i.e rubbish.

ok.Well addictiveness is a key but everyone is different , some can get hooked on the other Coke , ie the black stuff:o

Phibsboro

I have a feeling I mix in the wrong circles - I have been clubbing on and off for over 20 years and have only *seen* cocaine for the first time this year (at electric picnic, I was shown it cos I was going on about how I'd never even seen cocaine ). During those years of clubbing, I saw piles and piles and piles of E being consumed but never once cocaine, not at a club, after party, next morning ...
C

JC 2K3

Terry wrote: »

Sorry. I forgot to mention the 8.6% Ketamine.
Did you even read that page, or just look at the first couple of stats?

I'm not sure I understand your point....

ronoc wrote: »

Just say no!

What an idiot....

You shouldn't really be doing E more than 4/5 times a year.

Terry

Dragan wrote: »

Plenty of people work nine to five and enjoy drugs Terry. Not everyone who does a bit of "this and that" ends up as a junkie either.

Where did I say that it did?

JC 2K3 wrote:

I'm not sure I understand your point....

My point is that you just picked out the couple of statistics that made it look like E isn't as tainted as peoplemake out.

JC 2K3

Terry wrote: »

My point is that you just picked out the couple of statistics that made it look like E isn't as tainted as peoplemake out.

I picked out a couple of statistics to show that most ecstasy wasn't just speed and ketamine with little or no MDMA, like DeVore claimed.

Also, I don't need statistics to show E isn't as tainted as people make out. If it was, dozens of people would be dropping dead every weekend.

gurramok

My first comment when I hear about these coke fuelled deaths was 'what a waste of a young person' and 'stupid person'.

I find it very strange that the upstanding citizens who have said no to coke and yet witnessed it being taken especially at private parties didn't even report it to the authorities anonymously or not.

Bit of a hypocritical attitude there, the gardai need info and tip-offs, thats how they are successful in combatting any law breaking activity.

Ignoring what you saw makes you part of the problem, your helping it being fuelled as being 'legit' healthwise and law wise.(broken window analogy)

Terry

gurramok wrote: »

My first comment when I hear about these coke fuelled deaths was 'what a waste of a young person' and 'stupid person'.

I find it very strange that the upstanding citizens who have said no to coke and yet witnessed it being taken especially at private parties didn't even report it to the authorities anonymously or not.

Bit of a hypocritical attitude there, the gardai need info and tip-offs, thats how they are successful in combatting any law breaking activity.

Ignoring what you saw makes you part of the problem, your helping it being fuelled as being 'legit' healthwise and law wise.(broken window analogy)

What are you talking about?
This is AH. Everyone here expects the Gardai to know everything and be everywhere all the time, and then when they are not there, they call them "wasters" and other such names.

gurramok

Ah yeh, mindreaders Terry. Reminds me(no pun) of certain drvers that fail to indicate at roundabouts!
Prime time was on just there, the way they sensationalise a 'coke' epidemic just because a tiny minority decide to abuse themselves with the devils dandruff in a toilet cubicle and certain folk declare 'he/she didn't deserve the consequences, they were just enjoying themselves and never saw it coming', the tabloids are having a field day putting out FUD.

As one poster said early on in the thread, if you play with fire, don't expect sympathy.

bug

gurramok wrote: »

coke fuelled deaths

Nice opening headline to a post there. You should work for a tabloid.

gurramok wrote: »

I find it very strange that the upstanding citizens who have said no to coke and yet witnessed it being taken especially at private parties didn't even report it to the authorities anonymously or not.

Bit of a hypocritical attitude there, the gardai need info and tip-offs, thats how they are successful in combatting any law breaking activity.

Ignoring what you saw makes you part of the problem, your helping it being fuelled as being 'legit' healthwise and law wise.(broken window analogy

A completely unrealistic, black and white, idiotic point.

I'm sorry you obviously work for law enforcement or make teen anti drug campaign videos.

We live in a world,... (well I do, you obviously live in la la land), where people take social responsibilty for their own actions, and where possible, those of their friends and family.

Am I my brother's keeper?

I think of it like this. If some random associate at a gathering over the age of 18 decides to particpate in something they possibly shouldn't legal or illegal, whether that be an excess of alcohol and acting the bollix, or shoveling **** loads of coke etc into themselves. I personally am not going to take responsibility for their actions. Sorry, but fuk that. Their life, their choice.

Then the whingers come along and say "but they are feeding a cycle of criminals etc" well terrible isn't it. I make no bones about it and don't make that comment lightly.
But if you insist on voting in a government who hasn't the balls to tackle the drugs issue and is being made a fool of by gangland 20 year old's who can run rings around them thats not my problem.

Stop it at the source, or have the balls to investigate regulating the entire drugs trade, because, drugs, do not go away, it's a fact of life. If there are drugs people will take them, some won't. Its a human weakness.

Either way don't except Joe Soap on a night out to be your policeman.

Terry

bug wrote: »

Nice opening headline to a post there. You should work for a tabloid.



A completely unrealistic, black and white, idiotic point.

I'm sorry you obviously work for law enforcement or make teen anti drug campaign videos.

We live in a world,... (well I do, you obviously live in la la land), where people take social responsibilty for their own actions, and where possible, those of their friends and family.

LMFAO.
Personal responsibility?
Have you read any court reports lately?
Poor little timmy only mugged someone because he had a drug problem. The drug problem stemmed from his inability to get a job in a work rich environment. Judge lets Timmy go free.

Am I my brother's keeper?

That's for you to decide.

I think of it like this. If some random associate at a gathering over the age of 18 decides to particpate in something they possibly shouldn't legal or illegal, whether that be an excess of alcohol and acting the bollix, or shoveling **** loads of coke etc into themselves. I personally am not going to take responsibility for their actions. Sorry, but fuk that. Their life, their choice.

Nobody is asking you to take responsibility.
The point was made though, that people should report the incidents to the cops if they are that way inclined.

Then the whingers come along and say "but they are feeding a cycle of criminals etc" well terrible isn't it. I make no bones about it and don't make that comment lightly.
But if you insist on voting in a government who hasn't the balls to tackle the drugs issue and is being made a fool of by gangland 20 year old's who can run rings around them thats not my problem.

So it's the fault of the government now?
What happened to personal responsibility?

Stop it at the source, or have the balls to investigate regulating the entire drugs trade, because, drugs, do not go away, it's a fact of life. If there are drugs people will take them, some won't. Its a human weakness.

Either way don't except Joe Soap on a night out to be your policeman.

That wasn't the point being made.
As for drugs being a human weakness, I'd agree with that in the sense that greed is a weakness.

gurramok

bug wrote: »

A completely unrealistic, black and white, idiotic point.

I'm sorry you obviously work for law enforcement or make teen anti drug campaign videos.

We live in a world,... (well I do, you obviously live in la la land), where people take social responsibilty for their own actions, and where possible, those of their friends and family.

Am I my brother's keeper?

I think of it like this. If some random associate at a gathering over the age of 18 decides to particpate in something they possibly shouldn't legal or illegal, whether that be an excess of alcohol and acting the bollix, or shoveling **** loads of coke etc into themselves. I personally am not going to take responsibility for their actions. Sorry, but fuk that. Their life, their choice.

Then the whingers come along and say "but they are feeding a cycle of criminals etc" well terrible isn't it. I make no bones about it and don't make that comment lightly.
But if you insist on voting in a government who hasn't the balls to tackle the drugs issue and is being made a fool of by gangland 20 year old's who can run rings around them thats not my problem.

Stop it at the source, or have the balls to investigate regulating the entire drugs trade, because, drugs, do not go away, it's a fact of life. If there are drugs people will take them, some won't. Its a human weakness.

Either way don't except Joe Soap on a night out to be your policeman.

So basically you don't care if you witness law breaking?

You've just admitted that we live in a world where people take social responsibilty for their own actions, if your living in la-la land, the news is some don't

A bit two-faced there, if you want to stop it at the source, do you expect the gardai to mindread of where its coming from?...LOL
Not asking you to do citizens arrests, your not the policeman. Report what you witness and it just might go a bit of the way to finding that drugs source.
All it takes is a phone call.!

Guess, your the type who wouldn't report a mugging coz 'it don't affect me' yet whinge when your mugged by the same junkie on the way home.

bug

gurramok wrote: »

So basically you don't care if you witness law breaking?

You've just admitted that we live in a world where people take social responsibilty for their own actions, if your living in la-la land, the news is some don't

A bit two-faced there, if you want to stop it at the source, do you expect the gardai to mindread of where its coming from?...LOL
Not asking you to do citizens arrests, your not the policeman. Report what you witness and it just might go a bit of the way to finding that drugs source.
All it takes is a phone call.!

Guess, your the type who wouldn't report a mugging coz 'it don't affect me' yet whinge when your mugged by the same junkie on the way home.

No, I expect the Gardai to be an investigative force.

Rather than the bunch of bumbling idiots they have proved themselves to be. What you are suggesting is that the individual should do their job for them.

And to be honest I already have a job.

As for muggings, and your completely insightful off topic comment, which is laughable, about how I would respond in a situation where someone is in the face of real harm at no fault of their own. I can only say I have been more helpful than the guards who I recently coincidentally called in such a situation.

IRISH RAIL

The media have just as much responsibility in this as do the government and mr joe soap, the star last thursday had seven pages devoted to someone who died from drugs because shes a model, every other day theres amy winehouse and pete doherty all over the paper its just glamorising drugs.

the government have failed in this aswell, there the other week three women who were caught with drugs were sentenced to six years for one and less for the othere what happened to the mandatory ten years?

the cops and customs are very poorly funded and trained I know a detective who told me the local drugs squad wouldnt know what to do if they found a ton of hash under thier chair. what does that say about teamwork within the force?

if you get caught with coke or hash or any kind of illegal drug you should be fined a minimum of a thousand euro no matter how small even if its just a trace of it in your pocket no more of this s**t excuse its for personal use.
if I had a gun and told them that what would happen...
also the pub and club owners should be more responsible in thier venues the responce tonight on prime time was pathetic they have almost as big a role why is there no anti drug advertising in toilets?? shouldnt there be no surface in cubicles where you can put a line of cocaine down and snort it.

only one x ray machine in ireland ffs get with the programme more sniffer dogs aswell are needed with them being brought into clubs and walked around inside you need to fight crime where it happens the gaurds are being directed by people who are so old there out of touch on the grass roots level get pro active and stop the users then there wont be a demand

my two cents and I voted no

bug

Terry wrote: »

LMFAO.
Personal responsibility?
Have you read any court reports lately?
Poor little timmy only mugged someone because he had a drug problem. The drug problem stemmed from his inability to get a job in a work rich environment. Judge lets Timmy go free.

It doesn't surprise me Terry, but then again I can only speak for my own opinion and not the ridiculous decisions of the courts.

Terry wrote: »

That's for you to decide.

And I have.

Terry wrote: »

So it's the fault of the government now?
What happened to personal responsibility?

In the context of the section of my post which you quoted, I would say, no, I'm not personally responsible for dealing with high profile gangland dealers. I don't personally have the capacity to take them on ..
I'd be really really hoping our police force could do this, empowered by the government.

gurramok

bug wrote: »

No, I expect the Gardai to be an investigative force.

Rather than the bunch of bumbling idiots they have proved themselves to be. What you are suggesting is that the individual should do their job for them.

And to be honest I already have a job.

As for muggings, and your completely insightful off topic comment, which is laughable, about how I would respond in a situation where someone is in the face of real harm at no fault of their own. I can only say I have been more helpful than the guards who I recently coincidentally called in such a situation.

Err, do you expect them to randomly stop thousands of strangers in the street asking for a street deal so as to enable them to get to the dealers??..ROFL
The only way the authorities seize any illegal drugs is through intelligence and/or luck with some forensics thrown in..
The intelligence would come from consistent tip-offs from the likes of yourself if you witness coke abuse in a club or at a private party. That way they can find the dealers and their suppliers, they can't mind read who and where these people are, thats the point your missing.

Don't cry a river if a loved one ended up on wrong side of drug abuse\crime just because you didn't care or because 'its not my problem' attitude.

bug

gurramok wrote: »

Err, do you expect them to randomly stop thousands of strangers in the street asking for a street deal so as to enable them to get to the dealers??..ROFL
The only way the authorities seize any illegal drugs is through intelligence and/or luck with some forensics thrown in..
The intelligence would come from consistent tip-offs from the likes of yourself if you witness coke abuse in a club or at a private party. That way they can find the dealers and their suppliers, they can't mind read who and where these people are, thats the point your missing.

Don't cry a river if a loved one ended up on wrong side of drug abuse\crime just because you didn't care or because 'its not my problem' attitude.

As I said, my responsibility extends to my friends and family, so you just pulled a point out of your arse there for the sake of writing rather than reading my post above.

I should have made it blatantly obvious to you that point of import rather than point of sale was the issue I believe that the guards should be tackling.

I'm sorry, my bad.

They can make as many low profile, dealer arrests as they want, they never seem to get the large importers.

Boards.ie got to love it.

AngryHippie

gurramok wrote: »

I find it very strange that the upstanding citizens who have said no to coke and yet witnessed it being taken especially at private parties didn't even report it to the authorities anonymously or not.

You will find yourself being at a well deserved kicking party if you start that sh1t

Bit of a hypocritical attitude there, the gardai need info and tip-offs, thats how they are successful in combatting any law breaking activity.

Can we have a statistic on that one ? Tips offs yes, surveillance and searches might be more successful at getting the crap of the streets

Ignoring what you saw makes you part of the problem, your helping it being fuelled as being 'legit' healthwise and law wise.(broken window analogy)

The problem is not the legitimacy of cocaine, It is the speed at which it has swept through Irish society.
Personally, I've tried it a few times, Never paid money for it, never will. The recent spate of deaths suggest that there is a bad baggie of it being pawned off to different people all over the country, Any regular user who doesn't keep his powder dry for a few weeks would be very foolish. Who knows, the bit of a break from it might just open your eyes as to how hollow and false the cocaine ego is. It did nothing for me, MDMA on the other hand....

AngryHippie

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

The media have just as much responsibility in this as do the government and mr joe soap, the star last thursday had seven pages devoted to someone who died from drugs because shes a model, every other day theres amy winehouse and pete doherty all over the paper its just glamorising drugs.

I agree, to a point

the government have failed in this aswell, there the other week three women who were caught with drugs were sentenced to six years for one and less for the othere what happened to the mandatory ten years?

Its the way out legal system shouldn't work

the cops and customs are very poorly funded and trained I know a detective who told me the local drugs squad wouldnt know what to do if they found a ton of hash under thier chair. what does that say about teamwork within the force?

Very few people in the system know fcuk all about it, because its illegal, and they've all been background checked and dope tested.
Would you ask a priest for sex tips ????

if you get caught with coke or hash or any kind of illegal drug you should be fined a minimum of a thousand euro no matter how small even if its just a trace of it in your pocket no more of this s**t excuse its for personal use.
if I had a gun and told them that what would happen...

HA HA, Then It's gonna cost me nothing, cos you'd have to shoot me. I am entitled to behave as I please in the privacy of my own home, provided that I do not infringe on anyone else's health, well being or rights. Are you going to come into my house, pull a gun on me and fine me a grand for smokin a spliff of home grown ? Cos I'll fcuking pistol whip you to death, and get the probation act buddy.

also the pub and club owners should be more responsible in thier venues the responce tonight on prime time was pathetic they have almost as big a role why is there no anti drug advertising in toilets?? shouldnt there be no surface in cubicles where you can put a line of cocaine down and snort it.

Why don't you go around sticking up drugs are bad posters in nightclub jax, And btw, most clubs don't have flat convenient surfaces for coke, Its the likes of your local that pose the biggest problem. Try sayin to your local barman, an he'll tell you his place is drug free, and to fcuk off.

only one x ray machine in ireland ffs get with the programme more sniffer dogs aswell are needed with them being brought into clubs and walked around inside you need to fight crime where it happens the gaurds are being directed by people who are so old there out of touch on the grass roots level get pro active and stop the users then there wont be a demand

Sniffer dogs in clubs ????

What planet are you on mate. Dogs sniff pussy 100 times more often than drugs, It'd be a PR fiasco and a waste of a valuable expensive resource

my two cents and I voted no

yeah. well done there. You should be proud. A truly enlightening experience

IRISH RAIL

What planet are you on mate. Dogs sniff pussy 100 times more often than drugs, It'd be a PR fiasco and a waste of a valuable expensive resource

and where do you get these statistics from ?

also if something is illegal then its illegal whether you do it in your own home or on a street corner crime is crime if you dont like it then bugger off to amsterdam thats the law it has to be adherded to.

AngryHippie

Make me

If you don't like that, then come get me.


AHA,
You see how I did that

Legal rights are legal rights by the way. And If you make me feel like my life was in danger in my home, I would not be held responsible for the consequences of my actions.

Oh yeah, on the dogs, Did you ever watch a dog, At a party ?

IRISH RAIL

well mr moron obiously it would be the gaurds searching your home so id love to see you pistol whip them.
you have missed the point completly try reading the thread again

daveharnett

Terry wrote: »

Any real laws?
I think everyone should be allowed to commit rape.
Therefore, by the logic used in your post, commiting rape isn't really againt the law.

Bollocks to that terry, I think we both know the difference. Rape is a crime against a particular victim. Drug abuse is not (provided said drug is taken voluntarily of course).

Terry wrote: »

Ok. Using cocaine only harms yourself.
Come back to me when you have been mugged by some cocaine addict.

Mugging is also a crime. A real one. With a victim (ie you). What has the fact that the asshole was a cocaine addict got to do with it?

Drunk people cannot get away with murder because they were drunk. The legal argument is that if they could not control their actions while drunk, they shouldn't have got into that state. Point is that intoxication does not legally or morally diminish personal responsibility.

The solution for me is to let people consume whatever they want. If they bother somebody else while they are high, then there are real laws to address that. Blaming the drug is the easy way out for the authorities and for society.

Terry wrote: »

Legalisation of cocaine will not make it less addictive.

Dead right there. From what i've seen, it's a nasty drug and i'd advise anyone to steer clear of it. However, if we tax it, we can fund addicts' rehab without burdening the rest of society with the bill.

hottstuff

AngryHippie wrote: »

Personally, I've tried it a few times, Never paid money for it, never will.It did nothing for me, MDMA on the other hand....

Nice , you must be good friends with dealers:rolleyes:

gurramok

Another death reported from cocaine abuse in Bray. http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1211/byrnep.html?rss

5 more hospitalised according to Indo including 3 in Tallaght which concurs with earlier poster's post. http://www.independent.ie/national-news/five-seriously-ill-after-drugdrink-overdoses-1244027.html

Those still alive, will they ever learn they are playing with fire.

hottstuff

Gardai response: "Every time you take drugs, you are taking a gamble.

"You have no idea what you are putting into your body or whether it is contaminated".

Anto only sells quality gear so you haven't a clue what your talking about.!!!:)

That would be the response i would expect.

And so more will still continue to shovel the **** up their nose , no matter how many fall ill from it.

nacho libre

"The Guards had better things to be doing than going after the likes of me"

ah the arrogance.


it reminds me of the film Tropa De Elite where the the self-regarding students are making grand pronouncements as to the antidote for the ills of Brazilian society seemingly oblivious to the fact there actions are a major part of the problem.

ScumLord

Has it actually been confirmed any of these latest deaths are the result of a cocaine overdose? All I've really heard is that cocaine was suspected to be the cause of death but no further reports on the actual cause of death.