Do you take Cocaine

Lands Leaving

ScumLord wrote: »

Has it actually been confirmed any of these latest deaths are the result of a cocaine overdose? All I've really heard is that cocaine was suspected to be the cause of death but no further reports on the actual cause of death.

Cocaine shot them.

Guns don't kill people, drug monsters do.

AngryHippie

Lands Leaving wrote: »

Cocaine shot them.

Guns don't kill people, drug monsters do.

No, I have it on good authority its wrappers.....


Seriously though, This cocaine issue is being manipulated to justify a witch hunt round new years. Granted the the situation is pretty bad, and a lot of people are getting sick from it, But instead of saying that they are bad people, or stupid people, Publish the Tox reports, show exactly what they had taken, Identify the problems. If somebody realises that their dealer is giving them Rat poison or Arsenic or some **** to get off on, They might think twice about it. Until then, they will "chance it".

But then again, I'm a decriminalization fan, so I must be mad anyway. Imagine being able to get uncontaminated cocaine or ecstasy or heroin, and free addiction counselling and help to get off the sh1t when you realise the negative effects have started to outweigh the fun you're having with all your "friends" that vanish. At least there might be less wasted lives then...
Less untreated depression, Less media frenzy, More expertise available to deal with the problems.
But its not a completely safe solution. Knowing this country, we'd all end up as extras for "a scanner darkly" (good flick btw, Amazingly done).

We wont find out till Bertie gets his pink slip anyway, so until then, we'd better warm up our defibrillators and brace ourselves for a messy new year...

Dave!

Gardai don't believe that there is a bad supply going around

JC 2K3

It's more likely mixing alcohol and cocaine rather than a bad batch. It seems to be only mentioned in passing, as a side issue, but mixing alcohol and cocaine is LETHAL and it's probably the biggest factor in all these deaths.

Lands Leaving

JC 2K3 wrote: »

mixing alcohol and cocaine is LETHAL

Deadly in fact!

(Here I've changed the inference on the word 'lethal' to be regarded as a positive, rather than negative, as I have with 'deadly'. Quite a jape, eh old sport!)

AngryHippie

I think that family history and heart conditions are a bigger factor than Coke & booze, I used to work in a pub in the city centre, And there were a certain group of people that used to play like that, I knew they were doin lines in the Jacks, cos I heard them several times. The same crowd used to drink the guts of a case of beer in a night (each), Now I'm not saying I was right not to report it, I honestly think it would have caused more trouble than they did themselves. But they did this every Friday Saturdy and Sunday night, For the months I was working there, Dont tell me its the beer. The cops know less about coke than they let on, cos they've been dodging the issue up until the shipwreck, which suddenly made it an out-loud priority.

Take someone with Sudden Adult Death Syndrome, give them some coke, see what happens. This could be a case of a bad batch, or a case of someone running down their timer prematurely, Or a lot of recently diagnosed heart conditions. In truth neither you, I nor the Gardai can say for certain what it is. One thing is for certain. Its gonna get worse before it gets better

Earthhorse

AngryHippie wrote: »

Take someone with Sudden Adult Death Syndrome, give them some coke, see what happens.

Wouldn't someone with Sudden Adult Death Syndrome be, well, dead?

hottstuff

Earthhorse wrote: »

Wouldn't someone with Sudden Adult Death Syndrome be, well, dead?

You may be onto something there.

AngryHippie

Thats my point exactly.
Its an undiagnosed condition, where sudden heart failure occurs. Perhaps cocaine delays this by inducing a coma ???
What I was suggesting was that while we all know cocaine can be dangerous, and that it is not a particularly clever habit to have, It cannot on its own be blamed for the recent spate of death/comas. Until the post mortem results are out, and we can ascertain exaclty what and how much these people had ingested, everything written and said about it is pure speculation.

hottstuff

AngryHippie wrote: »

It cannot on its own be blamed for the recent spate of death/comas. Until the post mortem results are out, and we can ascertain exaclty what and how much these people had ingested, everything written and said about it is pure speculation.

SADS is an unexplained condition , and anything that makes sudden changes to heart rate etc can be considered factors , and i know heart rates change all the time depending on the activity , but here is an article about cocaine and heart problems in the U.S.

The study's results, published in the Feb. 6 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine, are important because the number of cocaine-related heart complications has been increasing in recent years as cocaine use has become more widespread. But many patients whose cocaine use sends them to the ER with chest pain don't tell their doctors about their drug use, putting them at risk if they receive conventional emergency heart treatments that can actually worsen the effects caused by cocaine.
The risk of heart attack in the first hour after using cocaine is 24 times normal, and cocaine users have a seven-fold lifetime risk of heart attack. Nearly one-fourth of heart attacks in people ages 18 to 45 are cocaine related.

http://www.med.umich.edu/opm/newspage/2003/cocaineheart.htm

AngryHippie

Okay, I'll have one spoon of humble pie, But your name is on the rest until the tox reports are published