Soccer Rankings

patmac

Ok in my boredom and because I am a bit of a statto, I have compiled the ultimate league table to find the league most succesful clubs. It's a points system as follows:
League winners: 15 League Runners-up:10 League 3rd:7 League 4th:5
League 5th:3 League 6th:1
FA Cup Winners:8 FA Cup RU:4 FA Cuo SF:2
League Cup Winners:4 RU:2
Champions League(1998+) W:20 Ru: 15 SF:10 Qf:6 Last 16:3
European Cup: W:15 RU:10 SF:6 QF:3
UEFA Cup: W:8 RU:4 SF:2
Cup Winners Cup: W:8 RU:4 SF:2
2007 Total
1 Liverpool 778
2 Manchester Utd 728
3 Arsenal 592
4 Everton 426
5 Aston Villa 404
6 Tottenham 297
7 Newcastle Utd 269
8 Chelsea 264
9 Sunderland 259
10 Wolves 250
11 Leeds United 241
12 Sheffield Wed 204
13 Blackburn Rvrs 193
14 Manchester City192
15 Derby County 173
16 Nottm Forest 170
17 West Bromwich 166
18 Preston 154
19 Huddersfield 133
20 Burnley 128
21 Bolton Wan 128
22 Sheffield United 114
23 Ipswich Town 91
24 Portsmouth 67
25 West Ham United67
26 Leicester City 61
27 Southampton 50
28 Blackpool 42
29 Wanderers 40
30 Charlton Athletic 37
31 Middlesborough 37
32 Birmingham City 37
33 Notts County 35
34 Norwich City 33
35 Old Etonians 32
36 Cardiff City 32
37 Bury 30
38 Stoke City 30
39 Queen's Park R 29
40 Oldham Athletic 23
41 Oxford University 22
42 Watford 22
43 Royal Engineers 20
44 Clapham Rovers 18
45 Bristol City 18
46 Crystal Palace 17
47 Barnsley 16
48 Luton Town 16
49 Fulham 14
50 Old Carthusians 12
50 Wimbledon 12
52 Queen's Park 12
53 Bradford City 11
54 Blackburn Olympic 10
55 Millwall 10
56 Coventry City 9
57 Swindon Town 8
58 Grimsby Town 7
59 Swifts 6
60 Brentford 5
60 Swansea City 5
62 Oxford United 4
63 Brighton 4
64 Great Marlow 2
64 Rochdale 2
64 Rotherham United 2
64 Tranmere Rovers 2
64 Wigan Athletic 2
64 Cambridge University2
64 Chesterfield 2
64 Crewe Alexandra 2
64 Hull City 2
64 Leyton Orient 2
64 Old Harrovians 2
64 Plymouth Argyle 2
64 Port Vale 2
64 Rangers 2
64 Reading 2
64 Shropshire Wand 2
64 Wycombe Wand 2
64 York City 2
82 Accrington Stanley 1

Any thoughts on the points system?

Mr Alan

how long did that take you!?!??!?!

redzerdrog

think the european cup and champions league points should be equal and the uefa cup should be more points than the cup winners cup apart from that i think its ok

patmac

redzerdrog wrote: »

think the european cup and champions league points should be equal and the uefa cup should be more points than the cup winners cup apart from that i think its ok

Was thinking that myself but the champions league seemed harder with the extra teams added so hence more points.

It took a while but enjoyable have done separate decades so will post them at a later stage.

therecklessone

patmac wrote: »

Was thinking that myself but the champions league seemed harder with the extra teams added so hence more points.

Harder to win but easier to qualify for.

I;d beinclined to up the points for the UEFA and League Cups, only lost their lustre in the last ten to fifteen years.

Tusky

Youch. That must have taken some time. League win & Champions league win should probably be the same points.

ziggy

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Mitch Connor

ziggy wrote: »

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but you played far more crappy teams in order to get to the latter stages.

ziggy

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patmac

Ok I'll Make the CL the same as EC I'll up the UEFA to 10,5,3. I'll leave the rest alone. I'll leave this open for the weekend for anymore suggestions.

Mr. Presentable

My opinion? There should be more points for the knockout competitions. In a league you can recover from a few bad results, in a cup you're OUT!

Mitch Connor

nipplenuts wrote: »

My opinion? There should be more points for the knockout competitions. In a league you can recover from a few bad results, in a cup you're OUT!

In a cup you can be lucky, in a league you have to be consistently good.

Mr. Presentable

Tauren wrote: »

In a cup you can be lucky, .

Or unlucky. Are you saying you can't be lucky in a league?

Mitch Connor

nipplenuts wrote: »

Or unlucky. Are you saying you can't be lucky in a league?

Overall, no. I don't think you can say a team has been 'lucky' to win the league title. Luck will play its part, as it will do in every single game of football, but it is far easier to benifit hugely from good luck in a Cup than in a league. Look at Porto winning the Champions League. Had it not been for a terrible decision from the linesman in the second leg against United they would have been out - but they got lucky and went on to win it. Obvioulsy, them winning the CL was not all down to luck but it played a big role in it imo. Also, you can have an easy run to the final with regards who you get drawn against, or the 'big guns' could be drawn against each other thus reducing the number of big teams able to win the cup.

To win the league you have to be consistently better then every other side over the course of an entire season. Especially in todays game - the margin for error in the premiership is getting smaller and smaller.

gustavo

Be interesting if someone could do that for our own league.

patmac

gustavo wrote: »

Be interesting if someone could do that for our own league.

I'll try and do that next, won't have to worry about the European competitions for that, any idea where I can get EL tables?

terry mac

ziggy wrote: »

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The difficulty of qualifying is already reflected by the points granted for league positions. The point is that if you qualified for the old European Cup it was easier to win. Your already getting 15 points for winning the league. i.e for qualifying, whereas you may only be getting 5 points for qualifying for Champions League....

Juan Pablo

gustavo wrote: »

Be interesting if someone could do that for our own league.

Be interstesing to see how the Utd fans will suggest point changes to "amend" the above table. I personally feel any European Cup Winners Cup won between 1970 and 1970 should get an additional 587 points. Fair play Patmac, that must have taken a while, makes intersting reading.

smackbunnybaby

i am taking this as gospel - Sheffield Wednesday are a "bigger" club than Sheffield United. you cant argue with the facts

patmac

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Idu

Why does the champions league ranking only start from 98?

Good post. Interesting stuff

mike65

Isn't there a wiki page with something similair on it (not saying it was robbed!)

It doesn't matter what way you calculate the points - Liverpool will always come out on top! :pac:

Mike.

themont85

In that list you put put up there it says Man Utd were in 2 SF apart of course the 2 times they won. Was it not 3? Borussia Dortmund in 98, Leverkuson in 2002 and Milan last year?

patmac

mike65 wrote: »

Isn't there a wiki page with something similair on it (not saying it was robbed!)

It doesn't matter what way you calculate the points - Liverpool will always come out on top! :pac:

Mike.

I don't know but twas done from scratch

In that list you put put up there it says Man Utd were in 2 SF apart of course the 2 times they won. Was it not 3? Borussia Dortmund in 98, Leverkuson in 2002 and Milan last year?
I might have included it in the European Cup section which went to group stages that year I'll check it later.

gucci

Must have taken alot of effort......well done....

~Rebel~

janets_on_clubs wrote: »

Why does the champions league ranking only start from 98?

Good post. Interesting stuff

No english clubs would have gotten any points until Man U won it in 98/99.


Well done Patmac, seriously impressive!

Bit depressing to see Man U catching pool though...

Idu

United were quarter finalists in 97 and semi finalists in 98. Dunno if they got any points for that