Inset Stove

sooty_soupy

yabadabado wrote: »

I am in the process of changing my open fire and putting in a insert.I have a fireplace like the one pictured but with dark granite hearth and I have the same problem were I need to remove the inner part of the fireplace,tiles and cast iron.



Im going to do what sooty_Soup has shown and im wondering what this material is?

Attachment not found.

I was thinking about putting granite in to match the hearth .What other materials have people used/would recommend?

BTW this thread has been a wonderful help.

What we use is 5mm steel painted with Clearview's paint. It tends to look very well. Natural stone should be fine, but be aware that expansion and contraction can pose a problem so ask the company supplying the stone if it can cope with the heat.

Have a look at the fact sheet I have attached

Hope this helps

PeteHeat

piskins72 wrote: »

Hi, just came across this thread and have a question, can any one tell me if these inset stoves are suitable for a fireplace that already has a firefront installed? don't know if any one remembers these things, http://www.donedeal.co.uk/donedeal/classifieds/viewFullPhoto.jsp?cid=4781328&ad=1761002

the fireplace also has a back boiler installed so I am wondering if this would be possible because of that?

Hi, that is an old style Stanley fire front not an inset stove, they were big in the 1980's and they worked with back boilers because they were fixed to the front of the fireplace.

If in good condition not a bad deal at that price, better than the open fire, take care to ensure you have a flat 18" opening not the standard 16".

Hope that helps,

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piskins72

PeteHeat wrote: »

Hi, that is an old style Stanley fire front not an inset stove, they were big in the 1980's and they worked with back boilers because they were fixed to the front of the fireplace.

If in good condition not a bad deal at that price, better than the open fire, take care to ensure you have a flat 18" opening not the standard 16".

Hope that helps,

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my fireplace already has one of those but I am looking to replace it, it was the only place I could find a proper pic of one to show what I meant I think the reason it was installed initally was because the open fire used to smoke a lot. have found a company in Waterford that do a stove type fire front so will look into that more as its more what I am looking for, thanks for the reply

yabadabado

sooty_soupy wrote: »

What we use is 5mm steel painted with Clearview's paint. It tends to look very well. Natural stone should be fine, but be aware that expansion and contraction can pose a problem so ask the company supplying the stone if it can cope with the heat.

Have a look at the fact sheet I have attached

Hope this helps

Cheers sooty.I haven't put the stove in yet ,didn't want the hassle around xmas time.I have since learned I wont have the clearence above the stove to the wood mantle so I will have to get a new mantlepiece.all I need is a surround as the hearth is ok.I was thinking of marble,anyone be able to give an estimate of the price considering I won't need a hearth ot insert ?

PeteHeat

piskins72 wrote: »

my fireplace already has one of those but I am looking to replace it, it was the only place I could find a proper pic of one to show what I meant I think the reason it was installed initally was because the open fire used to smoke a lot. have found a company in Waterford that do a stove type fire front so will look into that more as its more what I am looking for, thanks for the reply

Hi,

Boru stoves make a similar fire front called Doras of course like any stove (including Stanley) they are not designed to fix chimney problems

http://www.borustoves.ie/doras.html

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Nobbies

Hello to everyone that contributed to this thread over the last couple of years. I have been reading with great interest the various views and opinions from everyone. I’m considering replacing an open fire with a Waterford Stanley Cara Inset Stove, which seems to be relatively new to the market and according to the manufacturers, it is their best selling stove for the last decade, however I have so far been unable to find any reviews on this specific stove, having looked on boards, whatstove.co.uk etc… I would appreciate any information relating to the Cara as this is the stove I am interested in, due to it’s traditional look for my traditionally styled home.
Thanks in advance for any help…Nobbies

just do it

sooty_soupy wrote: »

The Clearview comes with it's own clever starter pipe that connects into the stove, so the standard flex adapter is fine.

904 grade liner is used when people are going to be slumber burning for long periods and are urning coal products as it is more robust against the corrosive gasses from such. 316 is fine for wood and turf use only, although you are buying one of the best multi fuel stoves on the market if you go for a Clearview, so why limit the type of fuel you can burn on it by fitting the cheaper flue. 316 carries a 10 year warranty and 904 is 20, so make of that what you will.

Vermiculite is not to be used to insulate the back of the stove, so it will need a rockwool plug to contain it before fitting the stove.

How much is it to have such systems installed into an existing chimney roughly 8m high, particularly using 904 grade liner?

CashMoney

sooty_soupy wrote: »

Your fire front would need to be removed, and so would the boiler to fit most inset stoves, as the very nature of a true inset is that the body slides into the opening, but allows a convection current to bring the heat into the room. Have a look at this link to see what I mean
http://www.countydownstovesandflues.co.uk/images/stories/Vision%20inset%20fact%20sheet.pdf

Hope this helps

Does that wooden fire surround contravene building regulations? I thought that stoves had to be a minimum clearance from combustible materials.

yabadabado

Nobbies wrote: »

Hello to everyone that contributed to this thread over the last couple of years. I have been reading with great interest the various views and opinions from everyone. I’m considering replacing an open fire with a Waterford Stanley Cara Inset Stove, which seems to be relatively new to the market and according to the manufacturers, it is their best selling stove for the last decade, however I have so far been unable to find any reviews on this specific stove, having looked on boards, whatstove.co.uk etc… I would appreciate any information relating to the Cara as this is the stove I am interested in, due to it’s traditional look for my traditionally styled home.
Thanks in advance for any help…Nobbies

My parents put one in around sept/oct and they are very happy with it.the heat output is excellent,they use turf and wood and they reckon they are burning less than half the amount of fuel compared to the open fire.also there seems to be very little ash ,do these stoves burn the fuel more/better?

Nobbies

Thanks Yabadabado... good to hear it directly from someone, rather listening to the sale patter...

yabadabado wrote: »

I am in the process of changing my open fire and putting in a insert.

What kinda insert stove are you thinking of putting in?

paddy147

Stovax Riva 66 8KW inset stove (multi fuel)

My 2 cents worth.:)

buck65

I put in a Waterford Stanley Cara Insert stove last November and I love it! Really once she gets going a shovel of coal will keep it going for a few hours. I got the enamel version as the matt one sold out in record time and Stanley were out of them but I needed it for XMas.
I think Stanley are running a promotion on them soon . Mine is the non boiler option. Yes they are dearer than some other models out there and will probably come down within the year but for parts etc. they are a safe option.
You won't be sorry.

CashMoney

paddy147 wrote: »

Stovax Riva 66 8KW inset stove (multi fuel)

My 2 cents worth.:)

Nice. Have you sparked it up yet?

CashMoney

I recently installed a Fiachra inset into my existing fireplace and I'm very happy with it. I used skamelex fire resistant panel at the front and sides of the stove. The only thing is the panel above the stove for about 6 inches gets very hot (too hot to keep your hands on for more than 2 seconds hot). What options do I have with regards painting this panel? I have Rustins black heat resistant matt but would prefer something a bit more interesting. Has anybody else painted above the stove and what did they use? Would just plain old matt emulsion be OK?

paddy147

CashMoney wrote: »

Nice. Have you sparked it up yet?

I have,and its lovely.It takes logs up to 350mm in length and chucks out some whack of heat too.:)

CashMoney

paddy147 wrote: »

I have,and its lovely.It takes logs up to 350mm in length and chucks out some whack of heat too.:)

Does the wall above the stove get hot at all? Have you any concern about plaster cracking or paint peeling?

paddy147

CashMoney wrote: »

Does the wall above the stove get hot at all? Have you any concern about plaster cracking or paint peeling?

Wall above the stove up to about 15 inches does get hot to the touch,the builder and plaster,er used fireproof plasterboard and high temp plaster,the paint is fine.

Its an 8Kw rated stove so it does chuck some serious heat when its going.

CashMoney

paddy147 wrote: »

Its an 8Kw rated stove so it does chuck some serious heat when its going.

Wouldn't mind seeing that bad boy in action. You don't have any videos of it in all it's glory by any chance?

paddy147

CashMoney wrote: »

Wouldn't mind seeing that bad boy in action. You don't have any videos of it in all it's glory by any chance?

I aint that sad to make a video of my stove



But I took a pic instead,with 1 log in it at the time... (pmsl):pac::pac:

emh

I've been following this discussion with great interest as we try to decide whether to install a free-standing or insert/inset stove into the sitting room of an old house. I am very concerned about the lack of clear information that is available in many of the outlets selling stoves and believe the Dept. of the Environment should produce a guide, aimed for consumers which interpret the Building Regs as simply as possible. I have a question about the clearance required for a free-standing stove within a chimney recess. Diagram 26 of the N.Ireland regulations shows an appliance in a recess, but does not give details and the Irish document does not have an equivalent diagram at all. I would appreciate any clarification on this.

kosmo

paddy147 wrote: »

I aint that sad to make a video of my stove



But I took a pic instead,with 1 log in it at the time... (pmsl)

Hi Paddy,
we are loking to install the same stove as you, or to go for Boru600
can you tell me if you fitted yours in the old fireplace or is this a new build?
did you have the chimney relined?
if not confidential, how much did it cost you?
thanks

paddy147

kosmo wrote: »

Hi Paddy,
we are loking to install the same stove as you, or to go for Boru600
can you tell me if you fitted yours in the old fireplace or is this a new build?
did you have the chimney relined?
if not confidential, how much did it cost you?
thanks

Fitted into an old horrible 70,s style red brick stove that was in the house when I bought it.The minute I saw the fireplace,I knew it had to go.

Chimney breast was taken apart and rebuilt by the builder,to suit the Stovax stove,this was part of a big house renovation/extension project.

Chimney was then lined with twin wall stainless flexi flue,filled with vermiculite and anti down draught/anti bird cowl too.

As far as I can remember,it cost around 2.5-3k euro for the Stove,sourcing the flue kit,installing it,chimney demolition and then rebuild.

Chimney breast has fireproof plasterboard and high temp plaster as a finish coat,and hasnt cracked from the heat of the stove.

kosmo

good thinking in changing that fire place :P
i saw that you have wiring for TV above the stove.
is that ok?
isn't the heat too strong for the tv?
we don't know know where to have the tv in the living room, but if we could have it above the fireplace it would be great.

paddy147

kosmo wrote: »

good thinking in changing that fire place :P
i saw that you have wiring for TV above the stove.
is that ok?
isn't the heat too strong for the tv?
we don't know know where to have the tv in the living room, but if we could have it above the fireplace it would be great.

I have 4 different TV and HDMI points in the sitting room.

I decided not to place the TV over the inset stove,as the stove is a feature of the room and looks nice the way it is.Nice,clean and Uncluttered looking.:)

melmaher

buck65 wrote: »

I put in a Waterford Stanley Cara Insert stove last November and I love it! Really once she gets going a shovel of coal will keep it going for a few hours. I got the enamel version as the matt one sold out in record time and Stanley were out of them but I needed it for XMas.
I think Stanley are running a promotion on them soon . Mine is the non boiler option. Yes they are dearer than some other models out there and will probably come down within the year but for parts etc. they are a safe option.
You won't be sorry.

I've just had a new Stanley Cara fitted and it's smoking badly - did you come up against this problem?

rpmcs

Could you tell what was used in installation? flue etc

randombar

Lads thinking of getting this one?

http://www.hi-flame.com/files/44157_precision_brochure_proof.pdf?PHPSESSID=df867da3f615c33b10fd1d25a3695111


Has anyone heard anything about hi flame? Was looking at the Cara all right but heard it's hard to get parts after.

Also the hi flame precision is about 500 euro cheaper.

melmaher

rpmcs wrote: »

Could you tell what was used in installation? flue etc

Problem solved (I think) it appears that the smoke was from the appliance burning off. Was advised to burn small fires and to open a couple of windows while the stove was lighting and eventually the smoke stopped. However the enamel flaked away on the surround in a 2" patch. Stanley are replacing the part. Very disappointed though, not a cheap purchase!

Nobbies

melmaher wrote: »

Problem solved (I think) it appears that the smoke was from the appliance burning off. Was advised to burn small fires and to open a couple of windows while the stove was lighting and eventually the smoke stopped. However the enamel flaked away on the surround in a 2" patch. Stanley are replacing the part. Very disappointed though, not a cheap purchase!

Hi melmaher, would you come back an tell us what you think of it in few few weeks... once you get over the intital disappointment... to let us know what you think of it??:(

mikehunts

Hello,
I am considering getting the stanley cara insert stove myself, i have seen on another site that someone had a problem with the hearth been very hot to touch also i have a timber surround and concerned that it would be only a foot away from top of the stove. does anyone that has this type of stove installed have any problems.

Qualitymark

paddy147 wrote: »

Chimney breast was taken apart and rebuilt by the builder,to suit the Stovax stove,this was part of a big house renovation/extension project.

Paddy147, when you say "chimney breast was taken apart and rebuilt", is that the whole chimney up to the roof, or just the part in your living room?

I was thinking of a Scan Andersen, but the first stove shop I went to (Murphy's in Kinvara - very nice and very informed) suggested a Stovax Riva 40 because it's for a semi-D with a standard sort of fireplace and chimney. I can't remember if this was because of the size of the *fireplace* or because of the size of the *chimney aperture*, however.

The Stovax they suggested only has a 4kW output, though; I'd get more of a bruiser if I could.

Also, where are you? If I get this done, I'd be looking for a builder who knew what s/he was doing. Oh, and that €3k, was that including the price of the stove,

paddy147

The old grotty 1970s style fireplace and chimney breast was demolished and rebuilt in the living room area only,to accomodate the inet stove,and the entire existing chimney up to roof chimney pot level was then lined with 6 inch wide twin walled stainless flue liner.

Im in North Dublin.

Qualitymark

Having read the whole thread (whew), I have a couple of questions for our kindly experts, if they wouldn't mind.

My house was built in the 1930s, and has the standard, beautiful Art Deco fireplaces; tiny ones in the bedrooms and larger in the living rooms.

People here have been talking about flues; I'm a little uncertain whether they mean the actual stone chimney by this, or the pipe going up through the chimney from the stove.

Murphy's of Kinvara suggested to me that because I have a 1930s fireplace, I should go for a Stovax 40 rather than a hotter-burning stove, because the larger and hotter stove wouldn't fit in the fireplace of an old house.

They also - I must ask them to clarify this - had some queries about the size of my chimney. I'm not sure how to measure this. Could its size prevent my using an inset stove?

Finally (sorry for the series of questions - I'm not asking for an essay in reply here, just for terse but exact replies, if you'd be so kind), is there a list anywhere of builders who are competent and qualified in this particular job? Having read some of the dodgy stories on this thread, I'm just going to try to glue back the hair that riz off me head with the horror.

Qualitymark

Hm, have sent PMs to the two experts warning of cowboys out there, asking them if they could recommend competent builders and installers, but had no reply; maybe they're no longer following boards.ie. Anyone?

Thanks, someone alerted one of the experts, who PM'd me and I PM'd back.

Does anyone know who the inspection agency is for stove and chimney installations in Ireland? What Department does it come under, and what section?

bideye

read full thread on inset stoves still dunno which one to install- looking at the boru 600i any one have any feed back on these stoves.. thanks for all help

Qualitymark

I finally got a stove installed - not inset but freestanding - a Clearview, installed by County Down Stoves, I think they were called. I'm ecstatic with it. It produces vast amounts of heat for little fuel.

It required installation of a flexible steel flue, and disassembly of the hearth, so was expensive, but I love it.

sinjim

Hi there is 13 pages to this thread and i have no intention of reading all of it
I've worked for cliffords fireplaces for 20 years give or take and i would be more than happy to advise/help anyone with any questions if they want to pm me.
Thanks
Tom

paddy147

sinjim wrote: »

Hi there is 13 pages to this thread and i have no intention of reading all of it
I've worked for .... for 20 years give or take and i would be more than happy to advise/help anyone with any questions if they want to pm me.
Thanks
Tom

You really do like to promote and advertise your business,dont you?

More or less every post today that you have made,either has the company name or website details.

Give it a rest,will you.

sinjim

paddy147 wrote: »

You really do like to promote and advertise your business,dont you?

More or less every post today that you have made,either has the company name or website details.

Give it a rest,will you.

Sorry paddy didn't realise you were a mod
I shall immeadiately stop offering to help people
Cheers

sinjim

By the way its not MY business i just work there.

niallam

My mother put in a Stanley Oisin into her sitting room instead of the natural gas fire that came in it, the stove heats no problem the whole downstairs of a nearly 3000 sq ft house.
Was a place in Baldoyle selling them on special there a while back.

paddy147

sinjim wrote: »

Sorry paddy didn't realise you were a mod
I shall immeadiately stop offering to help people
Cheers

Im not a mod at all.
help away all you want,but you dont have to keep on advertizing the company name or website details.

Thats the difference and point.

sinjim

paddy147 wrote: »

Im not a mod at all.
help away all you want,but you dont have to keep on advertizing the company name or website details.

Thats the difference and point.

I would think people would rather know that the information is coming from someone who knows what there talking about, thats why i mention the company and website, theres plenty of people round who haven't a clue but will throw in there tuppence worth any chance they can

sinjim

niallam wrote: »

My mother put in a Stanley Oisin into her sitting room instead of the natural gas fire that came in it, the stove heats no problem the whole downstairs of a nearly 3000 sq ft house.
Was a place in Baldoyle selling them on special there a while back.

That was grange value hardware in baldoyle they were €399,Bargin!!!

And no paddy i dont work there

zipps

I am thinking of getting a Esse 301 5kw stove.

Can any one recommend it or give me any feedback please

rpmcs

Sorry for late reply, esse 301 is a grand wee stove, but to be honest id say its a bit pricey for the build of it,
Personal I like the arrow ecoburn 5 inset,
Little cheaper if your looking at black door, and you get movable grate too, but that's probably just splitting hairs,

zipps

Thank you RPMCS.

My requirements for a stove are insert and the biggest glass door I can get. My room size suits a 5 kw but I was going to get a 7kw so I could open door and warm rest of house a bit.
i have seen the Arrow eco burn but the glass is very small and i really want to be able to see a lot of the fire.

Would you recommend any other one? Should I be getting one with a fan? or what if anything is the advantage of a fan?
What about Stovax? I have heard them recommended but know nothing about them.

I would appreciate any advise you can give.

rpmcs

stockton 7 inset is great little stove in my opinion, but glass again probably not what your looking for,riva 40 or bigger 55 if you have the size, big flame picture with both, but bit pricey in comparison, some have fans but have no experience with them in use so can comment other than to say it makes sense,

white_westie

House is 25yr old 3 bed semi-d estate house located in Dublin, with open fire and back boiler fitted since beginning. Fire not lit in at least 10years maybe 15, but never had problems when it was being used.

Ripped out fireplace yesterday to expose the grant back boiler. Will be taking this out as soon as I can drain it - need to move large display unit to get side access to piping to drain.

Exposed opening is 570W x 700H x 330D, with dome pre cast lintel sitting on top of opening feeding into what looks like concrete pipe flue. Internal measurement is approx 180mm, so I'm assuming its classed as a 7inch flue (could be 8inch though!).

Looking at replacing with a clean looking chimney breast and an inset stove - free standing version not really a option, as it would stick out into the room too much.

Room size only requires a 4-5KWh stove, so after some research on the net (many posts on boards to read), I am considering a TR4. Brochure for TR4 stated it can be installed into a standard fireplace opening, and it is held in place by locking a bar onto the underside of the lintel.

So, what would need to be done to fit a TR4 into the raw opening?

Would you leave an empty space behind the stove and the back wall, or would you need to refit some form of fireback?.
Would you need to line the bare opening with something like ceramic tiles or skamolex sheeting?
What about the front surface of the chimney breast, pink plasterboard and fire hardened plaster, or some form of metal fireplace back panel?

WW

sinjim

white_westie wrote: »

House is 25yr old 3 bed semi-d estate house located in Dublin, with open fire and back boiler fitted since beginning. Fire not lit in at least 10years maybe 15, but never had problems when it was being used.

Ripped out fireplace yesterday to expose the grant back boiler. Will be taking this out as soon as I can drain it - need to move large display unit to get side access to piping to drain.

Exposed opening is 570W x 700H x 330D, with dome pre cast lintel sitting on top of opening feeding into what looks like concrete pipe flue. Internal measurement is approx 180mm, so I'm assuming its classed as a 7inch flue (could be 8inch though!).

Looking at replacing with a clean looking chimney breast and an inset stove - free standing version not really a option, as it would stick out into the room too much.

Room size only requires a 4-5KWh stove, so after some research on the net (many posts on boards to read), I am considering a TR4. Brochure for TR4 stated it can be installed into a standard fireplace opening, and it is held in place by locking a bar onto the underside of the lintel.

So, what would need to be done to fit a TR4 into the raw opening?

Would you leave an empty space behind the stove and the back wall, or would you need to refit some form of fireback?.
Would you need to line the bare opening with something like ceramic tiles or skamolex sheeting?
What about the front surface of the chimney breast, pink plasterboard and fire hardened plaster, or some form of metal fireplace back panel?

WW

Firstly id have the chimney cleaned smoke tested and cctv'd to ensure theres no problems.
Im not 100% sure (will find out for definite monday and post) but i think the TR4 is for use only with an actual fireplace installed (hearth, back panel, fireback and surround )as there is a need for a fireback, if it were possible to install it into just an opening the wall would have to be wet plastered with a heat proof plaster a certain distance above and either side of the stove normally around 300mm to the sides and sometimes up to 600mm above but again will find out monday for definite and post monday