€ircon: Time to buy back our infrastructure

MunsterCycling

I for one and sick tired of our nations infrastructure being asset striped and run into the ground by a succession of foreign and not so foreign owners.

I believe it is time for the country to buy back €ircon and strip out the network from the service provision similar to the way the ESB has been removed from the distribution network.

Yeh or Neh?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0417/eircom.html

Gavin

No, the system we have right now works as it was intended.

Bit of a no-brainer alright. It was done badly in the first place. It's a shame, with such a small country it would have been possible to have good high speed connections throughout.

Another opportunity missed.

NullZer0

Its a disgrace.

To bad out country is led by a group of idiots.
I wonder how many of them have equivelent of a minimum of ECDL knowledge (let alone networks)?

I've said it before and I still think the same - I hope out whole infrastructure just f&*ks up / gets left in the past. They might learn a lesson then.

Moriarty

Why include a poll if you're going to ask the question in a loaded way?

Fwiw, I'd only be interested in the state re-acquiring eircom if it was for truely rock bottom prices and preferably had the retail arm stripped out of it pre-purchase. Things could be done with the rights-of-way and sites that eircom own if the owners had their heads screwed on and some long term investment was on the board.

It's questionable how much the access network is worth any more, or how much use the access network is without major investment.

Damien360

You must all be living in a shoebox. Have you noticed the lack of funds in the government coffers. Even if they got it at rock bottom price (E1) they still could'nt pay for any infrastructure upgrade. Private enterprise is the only way to go.

MunsterCycling

No, the system we have right now works as it was intended.

National infrastructure not in state ownership is a disaster, just look at the M50 ffs


MC

Capt'n Midnight

Would it be cheaper to build a brand new parallel infrastructure than to adsorb the debts ?

NullZer0

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Would it be cheaper to build a brand new parallel infrastructure than to adsorb the debts ?

Wouldn't suprise me if it was cheaper... especially at the same standard!

MunsterCycling

No, the system we have right now works as it was intended.

But isn't that the point, we want better quality networks and eircon or any private entity isn't going to build that type of infrastructure without making heaps of cash from it, so why not let the country build it and let telecoms rent access.

MC

kaimera

kindly ask heanet to expand into the residential market

last I heard their infra wasn't that shoddy!

MunsterCycling

No, the system we have right now works as it was intended.

LOL

NullZer0

HEAnet is connected to INEX via two 10 Gbit/s links, JANET in the UK via two 1 Gbit/s links, GEANT in Europe via two 10 Gbit/s links and the General Internet via two 10 Gbit/s links. They also have several links to research networks in North America. Additionally there are several non-research links to the USA, Europe and South-East Asia.



I personally would like to request two 10Gbit/s terminations to my apartment.

Capt'n Midnight

Enforce shared ducting
and get the ESB to push fibre over the local lines or put WiFi on the masts

KeRbDoG

No, the system we have right now works as it was intended.

Eircom should have never been allowed to keep the network of copper/exchanges when they went private.
The cable network should have been handed to another company, something like what was done with Eirgrid/ESB Networks

MunsterCycling

No, the system we have right now works as it was intended.

Interesting idea.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055551606

MC

Capt'n Midnight

MunsterCycling wrote: »

But isn't that the point, we want better quality networks and eircon or any private entity isn't going to build that type of infrastructure without making heaps of cash from it, so why not let the country build it and let telecoms rent access.

MC

Why would telecoms rent access ?
There is a lot of government funded dark fibre in this country, the problem is the last mile and all of the providers jealously guard their ducts so retro fitting would be increadibly expensive.

LLU has been a disaster.

Perhaps you cold have a situation where government could nationalise just the copper to the exchanges ?

MunsterCycling

No, the system we have right now works as it was intended.

That would be another option but I imagine the incompetent sorry incumbent would not be pleased to have their cash cow taken off them.

MC