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    #662
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    PirateShampoo wrote: »
    Who was refused board?

    Irish politicians and journalists from several countries. Possibly others aswell, I'm not aware of a full list.


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    #663
    prinz
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    You can see where the video cuts and the mob go from flinging chairs and swinging poles to standing meekly huddled in groups backing away from the IDF men. I wonder what happened in between? Hmmm....

    Shots were fired. One commando in particular is clearly seen in that footage wielding a handgun, whereas the others seem to have paintball guns. Doesn't take much for one person to pull a gun and all hell breaks loose.


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    #664
    strobe
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    prinz wrote: »
    Shots were fired. One commando in particular is clearly seen in that footage wielding a handgun, whereas the others seem to have paintball guns. Doesn't take much for one person to pull a gun and all hell breaks loose.

    True but as we've seen from similar situations it apparently doesn't take much for soldiers to sometimes shoot down random people that are posing no threat once that first shot rings. This is something which I'd be interested to see footage of the shootings for.


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    #665
    [Deleted User]
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    prinz wrote: »
    Shots were fired. One commando in particular is clearly seen in that footage wielding a handgun, whereas the others seem to have paintball guns. Doesn't take much for one person to pull a gun and all hell breaks loose.

    Why so many breaks in the footage? Why no footage of the turks getting hit by rounds? I know you can see them yielding weapons but not firing them. It is very very painfully obvious that this clip has been released to support the actions of the IDF, without actually showing the gorey reality of those actions.


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    #666
    Dyr
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    prinz wrote: »
    Shots were fired. One commando in particular is clearly seen in that footage wielding a handgun, whereas the others seem to have paintball guns. Doesn't take much for one person to pull a gun and all hell breaks loose.

    Where is this footage of paintball guns? The only clear footage i saw of a soldiers firearm looked like a suppressed SMG


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    #667
    hideous ape
    Registered Users Posts: 339 ✭✭hideous ape


    prinz wrote: »
    Or perhaps we'll get another side with an agenda. More than likely the truth will be somewhere in between.

    Ya those evil wheelchair, food & medicine supplying bastards!!!

    Israel had to defend itself from WMD's....WEAPONS OF MASS DISABILITY!


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    #668
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    prinz wrote: »
    Shots were fired. One commando in particular is clearly seen in that footage wielding a handgun, whereas the others seem to have paintball guns. Doesn't take much for one person to pull a gun and all hell breaks loose.

    What happened on the boat was a shitstorm.. the shit was placed there by whoever gave the order to board the vessel outside of Israel's jurisdiction.. it could have all been averted if they had waited until it entered Israel's water.

    They've needlessly created a diplomatic nightmare by acting hastily, and they deserve the criticism for doing so


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    #669
    Junco Partner
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    why are they left away with it


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    #670
    prinz
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    strobe wrote: »
    True but as we've seen from similar situations it apparently doesn't take much for soldiers to sometimes shoot down random people that are posing no threat once that first shot rings. This is something which I'd be interested to see footage of the shootings for.

    Exactly. Quite possible that one or two of the IDF soldiers lost the head.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why so many breaks in the footage? Why no footage of the turks getting hit by rounds? I know you can see them yielding weapons but not firing them. It is very very painfully obvious that this clip has been released to support the actions of the IDF, without actually showing the gorey reality of those actions.

    The gory reality of those actions presumably means the foreseeable conclusion.


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    #671
    Leeg17
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    Sad story, lemme lighten the mood:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=66168963#post66168963


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    #672
    ReacherCreature
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    Bambi wrote: »
    Where is this footage of paintball guns? The only clear footage i saw of a soldiers firearm looked like a suppressed SMG

    From about 0:50 in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&feature=player_embedded

    I found it very odd.


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    #673
    Kivaro
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    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    I've read most of this thread .......

    Their is a sense of open-mindedness about it.

    Makikomi, you are what the peace process needs.


    Ah, I don't think so.
    Did you read the post where he says he would shoot dead an un-armed protester coming towards him?

    Just listening to the news and they are broadcasting the Israelis assertion that the ship 'might' have been carrying arms to Gaza. It didn't take them long to spin that story. I am sure that similar garbage will be coming from the IDF in the coming days.


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    #674
    prinz
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    Bambi wrote: »
    Where is this footage of paintball guns? The only clear footage i saw of a soldiers firearm looked like a suppressed SMG

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo

    Pause between 52 and 54 seconds.


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    #675
    prinz
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    ReacherCreature wrote: »
    I found it very odd.

    Supposedly the first troops to hit the deck were armed with non-lethal weapons, it was the hand to hand fighting started that lethal weapons were drawn. Only takes one hothead to pull his gun and use it and suddenly the rest are more or less forced to draw their weapons.


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    #676
    deisedevil
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    Anyone watching Frontline. Israelian spokesperson making a right fool of herself. She's stammering away through her lies.


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    #677
    ReacherCreature
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    prinz wrote: »
    Supposedly the first troops to hit the deck were armed with non-lethal weapons, it was the hand to hand fighting started that lethal weapons were drawn. Only takes one hothead to pull his gun and use it and suddenly the rest are more or less forced to draw their weapons.

    I understand about non-lethal weapons. I just imagined that shotguns etc. with non-lethal rounds (beanbag-like?), tasers etc. would be used. A paintball gun would be among the last things I expected!


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    #678
    Donkey Oaty
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    Kivaro wrote: »
    Ah, I don't think so.
    Did you read the post where he says he would shoot dead an un-armed protester coming towards him?

    No, I didn't, but thanks for pointing that out.

    I will not come towards him if I see that he has a gun.


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    #679
    JONJO THE MISER
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    deisedevil wrote: »
    Anyone watching Frontline. Israelian spokesperson making a right fool of herself. She's stammering away through her lies.

    Yeah pure propaganda which no one believes, Michael Martin do the right thing and expel that scum of a Ambasador back to his war crime scum of a illegal nation.


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    #680
    Wibbs
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    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    No, I didn't, but thanks for pointing that out.

    I will not come towards him if I see that he has a gun.
    Have you seen the size of the fecker? A gun would just speed up the process. :D

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #681
    hideous ape
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    deisedevil wrote: »
    Anyone watching Frontline. Israelian spokesperson making a right fool of herself. She's stammering away through her lies.

    Ya she looked like someone trying to justify the extermination of an entire race in concentration camps to a media outlet!

    It confirmed just how out of touch Israel has become, seemingly knives are now a sophisticated weapon of terrorism...damn I was chopping onions earlier with one...good thing I'm still alive. Next time I'll use a spoon just in case an IDF chopper mistakes me for a Hamas terrorist.

    Israel has pretty much used up every single ounce of international sympathy it's people and state had.

    Blockade Israel!


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    #682
    ReacherCreature
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    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    Yeah pure propaganda which no one believes, Michael Martin do the right thing and expel that scum of a Ambasador back to his war crime scum of a illegal nation.

    It was a she I'm lead to believe by the posters here.


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    #683
    Dyr
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    ReacherCreature wrote: »
    I understand about non-lethal weapons. I just imagined that shotguns etc. with non-lethal rounds (beanbag-like?), tasers etc. would be used. A paintball gun would be among the last things I expected!

    They fill the balls with OC powder, kinda like pepper spray


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    #684
    Wibbs
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    ReacherCreature wrote: »
    It was a she I'm lead to believe by the posters here.
    She was the vice ambassador IIRC, the ambassador is a guy.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #685
    DylanJM
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    I know the other vid was posted a while back, was this one posted as well?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU12KW-XyZE&feature=player_embedded


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    #686
    ReacherCreature
    Registered Users Posts: 4,500 ✭✭✭ReacherCreature


    Wibbs wrote: »
    She was the vice ambassador IIRC, the ambassador is a guy.

    Oh I thought he meant the person on frontline, or the show in the first post of this page.


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    #687
    hideous ape
    Registered Users Posts: 339 ✭✭hideous ape


    ReacherCreature wrote: »
    Oh I thought he meant the person on frontline, or the show in the first post of this page.

    Just picture http://www.tvblog.ro/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Cote-de-Pablo.jpg

    But with thunder thighs!


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    #688
    nowuckenfurries
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    #689
    Drake66
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    Verey Pistols, catapults, bits of pipe and deck chairs. Possession and the use of these 'weapons of mass destruction' against armed individuals illegally invading your ship, in international waters, is reason enough to shoot to kill according to some meat-heads.

    I have no issue with a state protecting itself from terrorism. However using thugs with guns to attack civilians is heinous. This was not a police action; the same as Bloody Sunday was not a police action. This was murder.


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    #690
    DylanJM
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    Drake do you not think it's possible to kill a soldier with an iron bar no? If you were a soldier be bludgened by a group of people, who are clearly trying to kill you, would you just lay down and take it?

    Also how are the soldiers thugs if you don't mind me asking? They follow the orders they are given.


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    #691
    Drake66
    Registered Users Posts: 333 ✭✭Drake66


    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    Yeah pure propaganda which no one believes, Michael Martin do the right thing and expel that scum of a Ambasador back to his war crime scum of a illegal nation.

    The Israeli ambassador is not scum. He is a highly educated and very perceptive man. If you would care to read some of the essays he has written on the Mideast conflict and on Northern Ireland perhaps your opinion may change. The Israeli mission also sent a representative to the Famine memorial; which is more than our nearest neighbour did.


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