A new political party registering in a few weeks

baalthor

Het-Field wrote: »

Health

The manifesto clearly desires the end of ANY private involvement in healthcare.

Maybe you're right, but that's not exactly what it says. They oppose private use of public facilities; that still allows fully private health care provision.

Het-Field wrote: »

Education

Fhis Nua seek to deprive the Third Level sector of it's inly source of non-state funding. The contribution is a miniscule cost for what one gets in return. A 100% public 3rd level sector will put further financial strain on the strained colleges/universities. It is another example of Fhis Nua's hard-left tendancies.

Again, that doesn't rule out other sources of private funding ...

Het-Field wrote: »

Basic Income

Extreme Left if ever I have seen it. Even at the best of times, unemployment will usually hit 70,000 +. What about those people ? Will this basic income come to them through the social welfare system ? Equally, employers will be intruded upon. The taxpayer will be intruded on when the state is the one paying the "basic wage". Why not hand out "food stamps" and "clothes stamps". They would give a "basic income", but it would be ringfenced, and ensure the necessities of life are obtained.

Well, right now almost every developed country tries to guarantee a basic income through the Welfare system.
Basic income means that every citizen gets a minimum amount to live on regardless of status. One suggested way of achieving this is the "Negative Income tax" as proposed by Milton Friedman and others. So it's not an inherently "extreme left" idea.

Het-Field wrote: »

Road Safety.

Do we not already operate a system of random breath testing ? If we do, this is a platitude.

Maybe they want to make it even more random than at present? e.g. the police could stop any motorist at any time and breathalyse them, although that would probably be open to a constititutional challenge. (Under the current system, the gardai set up drink - driving detection checkpoints and select the driver of every nth car for breath-testing, where n is a pre-determined number)

Het-Field wrote: »

Animal Welfare

An issue that is irrelevant to me, and to many more like me.

But relevant to many other people ...

Het-Field wrote: »

Tourism

Lets tell private companies to hand out free tavel to over 65s who visit.

Under the current Free Travel system, the state pays for the "free" trips, so provided the terms are acceptable, it's hard to see companies having a problem with this.

Het-Field wrote: »

State telling private companies what to do = Communism.

No, it's not ...

Het-Field wrote: »

Children

Banning Junk Food advertising. More nanny statism, which is a direct attack on successful companies. It will also have a wider effect, and is completely unnecessary.

The want to ban junk food advertising to under 12s.

Het-Field wrote: »

Older People

Pilfered from the Progressive Democrats manifesto of 2007. Nothing new or innovative here.

Hard to believe that Communists would even read a "Fascist" PD manifesto:D

Het-Field wrote: »

Disability

Disability payment of 40 Euro per weeks. Another public expenditure which sets these guys as fruitcake lefties.

I'm not sure exactly what they mean by this but I think it means that disabled people who work would get an extra payment to compensate them for the extra living costs of their disability.
At the moment many (if not the majority?) of disabled people are not in the workforce and are on Disabilty Benefit which is far in excess of €40 per week. So the idea of the payment may be to encourage more disabled people into paid employment and actually save on welfare payments. Maybe it wouldn't work but I don't think you could call it a "fruitcake policy"

Het-Field wrote: »

The manifesto is a leftist, regressive and pilfering piece of nonsense. It is certainly remeniscent of the Green Alliance/Green party manifestos between 1982-2002. I would never vote for these guys.

The manifesto is clearly leftist but it's certainly not Communist!
Nor is it fundamentalist Green either since they clearly approve of the killing and eating of animals (even wild ones - maybe there's hope for the Ward Union )

caseyann

the groutch wrote: »

I can see it now, Brian Cowan sitting on the back seat of the bus to Tullamore

Well apparently Bertie when he was in paris took buses and trams everywhere,Just before he left.

Lockstep

Denerick wrote: »

Some of their proposals are just insane. Take education:

"Ensure that student- teacher ratios do not exceed 15:1 at primary and secondary levels."

Where's the money?

Then they go on to tax, being deliberately ambigous and insanely promising to cut vat by 3%, one of our most reliable revenue streams.

'
We support a broadly progressive tax system and bands to protect workers from inflation and avoid taxation by stealth.

Structure corporate tax reliefs and capital allowances in such a way that Research and Development, employment-generating activities, socially responsible activities, and sustainable and environmentally friendly activities are rewarded.

Reduce both VAT rates by 3%.

Phase out VRT over 5 years, scrap motor tax and replace with a fuel surchage.'

This really is back of the fag packet stuff.

Cutting VAT by a few % could pay off. As it stands, our VAT is too high, making prices even higher and discouraging spending. Cutting VAT could lead to increased marginal utility; encouring spending which would boost VAT intake.

Marcus de Brun

The negativity towards anything new in Irish politics is hardly helpful.. one can see where the 27% of national support for Fianna Failure comes from.

Fis Nua is a New Political Party and in case no one has noticed.. New/Nua is exactly what Ireland needs. If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem.. there is no sitting on the fence as we drift towards national bankruptcy.

Of course there are difficulties with Fis Nua policy... for the same reasons that a new born infant cannot drive a car. The party is new and is just taking its first steps. Why don't the negative Nancies.. fill out a membership form and join the party... get the finger out and do something more than facilitate the continued existence of the most corrupt regime in Irish history... ...

It costs 55cent for the stamp and nothing more (I am happy to sponsor the 55 cent if anyone is stuck)

Dr. Marcus de Brun
North Dublin GP and Fis Nua member

BOHtox

http://fisnua.com/?page_id=5
You can see the future tds

Marcus de Brun

55 cent if you want to throw your hat into the ring and do something more than whinge?

post your address and I will send you the stamp.

Justin Collery

Anyone who has the balls to setup a new party is to be congratulated. I for one will not be voting for any of the mainstream parties next time out as they have all shown a distinct lack of leadership, and as the boards of the banks should be cleared, so should the present TD's, all of them...without exception.

For me at least, and I encourage others, leaves the path open for new parties to compete for my vote.

seaniedearg

Biggins wrote: »

I'm sorry but why you have to be a communist to have "green" concerns!

That's a totally stupid remark and shows ones very little understanding of the issues and appreciation of those involved, more often than not with those on ground level doing great local work!

Totally mindless, false tainting remark!

I cried too Biggins, it is so upsetting and insensitive here sometimes:(

dan_d

I'm with jcollery.

Anyone who tries to bring in a new viewpoint should be welcomed. The more choice people have the better.It's clear that the incestuous group that are there at the moment are not good enough.

Edit: Actually reading your manifesto, I like about 75% of what I see. Which is more than I can say about any other party out there. Will watch with interest.
If you're lucky, I might even join!:D:D Might aswell put my money where my mouth is:D

Marcus de Brun

To register as a political party.. new parties need 300 members. At the moment there are plenty of people talking about Fis Nua... but few can find the courage necessary to purchase a postage stamp .. become a member and give alternative politics a chance. Tis no wonder we were under the colonial boot for so many centuries.

Justin Collery

snollup wrote: »

I cannot understand all this socialist bashing when we see the total mess that capitalism has made of things.

As this is a public forum let me be clear about this. I truly believe that the problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples money. But to be negative of the new party is cowardly. In the current climate if the economic side stacked up I'd give them a vote. It doesn't, but if it did, I would. I still think they should be encouraged, so that others are encouraged to do the same.

JC

ei.sdraob

Expose false solutions to global warming, particularly the use of nuclear power and seek to reduce the use of nuclear power in neighbouring countries.

sigh

they may as well call themselves GREENPEACE (GreenPeas )

We would establish a special dept. within the Dept of Environment for all matters concerning Birds, Wildlife, Habitat and Biodiversity. Far too little consideration has been given to these life-sustaining, but threatened natural resources.

great another quango

Nijmegen

Why is it always left or right? The vast majority of people live right smack in the middle. A social system that takes care of its own but isn't lavish, an economy that's open and creates new wealth without being all-for-some (as Ireland has been.)

Perhaps we see more of it on here because they are the people more concerned to come and talk politics than the majority of folks, but the leftie-vs-rightie debate bypasses the lives of most people.

Marcus de Brun

There is a nice little phrase in respect of political debate.... it refers to "the vulgarity of the first person singular"

When one reads blogs such as these or one listens to politicians... one should count the number of times the little word "I" is used.. if you multiply that number by 10.. you have a rough percentage estimate of the quantity of bul**** contained in either the speech or the posting.

Excessive use iof the word "I" is usually suggestive of the reality that the users head is in the same place as his or her finger.

Amhran Nua

Just a quick insert on the Greens party/communism, their party constitution specifies as one of its key aims the redistribution of the wealth. Now when I saw that I was pretty surprised, I thought what does that have to do with green issues?

But the sad fact is the entryist far left across the board has a track record of trying to insert itself into any and every morally positive agenda, supporting it, and adding "...plus the redistribution of wealth" at the end. There's a hard core that's sort of a zombie remnant of Soviet psyops. Their goals are to trash capitalism and resurrect communism from the dustbin of history. This is what a lot of people pick up on with regards to certain elements of the green movement, and are rightly wary of it.

And when the next morally positive movement pops up, they'll try to do the same thing.

Amhran Nua

Marcus de Brun wrote: »

... but few can find the courage necessary to purchase a postage stamp .. Tis no wonder we were under the colonial boot for so many centuries.

Marcus de Brun wrote: »

you have a rough percentage estimate of the quantity of bul**** contained in either the speech or the posting.

Excessive use iof the word "I" is usually suggestive of the reality that the users head is in the same place as his or her finger.

Here's a good basic rule of thumb, don't start out by insulting the people you want to join your group, or otherwise support you.

dan_d

Marcus de Brun wrote: »

There is a nice little phrase in respect of political debate.... it refers to "the vulgarity of the first person singular"

When one reads blogs such as these or one listens to politicians... one should count the number of times the little word "I" is used.. if you multiply that number by 10.. you have a rough percentage estimate of the quantity of bul**** contained in either the speech or the posting.

Excessive use iof the word "I" is usually suggestive of the reality that the users head is in the same place as his or her finger.

Without meaning to be rude - you're coming across as a bit aggressive. And since you seem to be representative of this potential new party, that mightn't be the best way to go.

Personally as I said, I liked what I saw on your manifesto. I'm not going to say I loved every single thing and that I agree with everything you say....but then, I'd wonder how many members of other political parties agree with every last thing their parties say. However (as I said), I was interested in most of what was there. In fact I'd go so far as to consider joining your party.

However....your attitude is putting me off a bit. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, debate should be encouraged and naturally, not everyone is going to agree with everyone else.Definitely not around here anyway.

IrishTonyO

Marcus de Brun wrote: »

There is a nice little phrase in respect of political debate.... it refers to "the vulgarity of the first person singular"

When one reads blogs such as these or one listens to politicians... one should count the number of times the little word "I" is used.. if you multiply that number by 10.. you have a rough percentage estimate of the quantity of bul**** contained in either the speech or the posting.

Excessive use iof the word "I" is usually suggestive of the reality that the users head is in the same place as his or her finger.

You're not giving a very good impression of a new party, very aggressive and rude postings.

Marcus de Brun

Be Jaypers lads

Does nobody have a sense of humour?

We'll all be in the same party this time next century.....

dan_d

Humour doesn't necessarily come across as it's meant through a computer screen.....;)

Liam Byrne

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Just a quick insert on the Greens party/communism, their party constitution specifies as one of its key aims the redistribution of the wealth. Now when I saw that I was pretty surprised, I thought what does that have to do with green issues?

Redistribution from whom to whom, though ? None of their votes so far could be viewed as fair to "the common man"...

Although they have bought wholeheartedly into the concept of socialising massive losses, so maybe they have one of those bastardised versions.

Marcus de Brun

bye the bye I do not represent nor do I speak on behalf of Fis Nua.. I purchased the stamp and am a member thats all.

I dont speak on behalf of anyone... however those who are members of an alternative to the present regime might agree that actions speak louder than words.

Any alternative.. communist, socialist or animal rights activist would really have to sink to some depths to be on a par with the present banking/fianna fail aristocracy.

apologies if anyones feelings have been hurt...
I have feelings too you know..

IrishTonyO

Marcus de Brun wrote: »

bye the bye I do not represent nor do I speak on behalf of Fis Nua.. I purchased the stamp and am a member thats all.

I dont speak on behalf of anyone... however those who are members of an alternative to the present regime might agree that actions speak louder than words.

Any alternative.. communist, socialist or animal rights activist would really have to sink to some depths to be on a par with the present banking/fianna fail aristocracy.

apologies if anyones feelings have been hurt...
I have feelings too you know..

"I" used 5 times = 50% bull****

Amhran Nua

Marcus de Brun wrote: »

bye the bye I do not represent nor do I speak on behalf of Fis Nua.. I purchased the stamp and am a member thats all.

I dont speak on behalf of anyone... however those who are members of an alternative to the present regime might agree that actions speak louder than words.

Is this yourself, Marcus?

The manner by which Government can and should be removed would be by the establishment of an alternative Executive committee.

This committee should be drawn from academia, from the professional classes and from those commentators with proven and qualified expertise in their respective fields who wish to see the preservation of the Constitution, and the remediation, where possible, of the corruption and the failings of the present political establishment.

A new Executive could be easily drawn from academic, professional and intellectual circles.

...

Once an Executive is established, it can function in the capacity of an alternative government and the people of Ireland can decide if they wish this alternative to replace the present corrupted model.

Doesn't sound terribly democratic to me.

Marcus de Brun

Begorra

I dont recall soberly saying I was a believer in absolute democracy. And isnt it a bit tired to beat someone over the head with the old 'youre not democratic' stick.

To quote the venerable Homer Simpson.

"When are people gona get it.. Democracy just doesnt work"

Tis perhaps no crime to wish that politics might evolve beyond a failed institution... even the sacred cow of democracy.

Marcus de Brun

Ix2 = 20% bull****

Amhran Nua

Marcus de Brun wrote: »

Tis perhaps no crime to wish that politics might evolve beyond a failed institution... even the sacred cow of democracy.

This is why we have republics and all those other variations on democracy. Do you feel that this new party will fulfill your desire for the removal of what I can only assume from your article is most democracy, unless you would care to elaborate differently? If not, why do you support them?

Marcus de Brun

"This is why we have republics and all those other variations on democracy"

To state that we have all the variations of democracy is to discount the posibility of democracy evolving into a new and better form of political governance.

If one looks at history it becomes clear that the manner through which politics evolves is the same process which has given us democracy in the first place and that is through some form of revolution.

There is no hope of changing democracy within the context of our contemporary variety of democracy... it is for this reason that there is no distinction between any of the political parties presently in the Dail... they all speak the same rhetoric and use the same tired sound bites. They do this because they are subject to control by the big other of the media... by Pat Kenny and Joe Duffy who have more power at setting the political agenda than any politician in the dail.

Politics is a simple matter.. it is not impossible to figure out how many hospital beds we need, how many houses we need, how many teachers etc etc set taxes fairly and allocate funds accordingly. Where the difficulties begin and end is with greed for money and power and a lack of intelligence and or philosophy.

Once we can be certain that our politicans cannot be corrupted by greed, materialism and self interest the more freedom we can afford those politicians to act in our best interests and the less is our need for democracy itself.

What we need is to redefine revolution and eject the establishment as soon as possible. I was thinking of sending that article of mine to the chief of staff of the military as I reckon a military junta would possibly be better than the present regime... which sends transfers our dwindling national resource to the coffers of criminal banking institutions... in the same way that grain was exported across the water during the famine.

Government is best which governs least... Thoreau

oscarBravo

Marcus de Brun wrote: »

...I reckon a military junta would possibly be better than the present regime... which sends transfers our dwindling national resource to the coffers of criminal banking institutions... in the same way that grain was exported across the water during the famine.

The phrase "barge pole" is springing to mind, for some reason.

Have you ever lived under a military junta?

Marcus de Brun

Ix2=20% bull****