Why no far-right candidates?

Benito

Nolanger wrote: »

Maybe change your username?

And who was THAT Benito named after by his Daddy?

Benito

Benito wrote: »

Shatter, Varadker, Lenihan B etc? Who you want, an Irish Facist party?

Right wing economics does not mean fascism!!
people cant separate right wing economics and right wing social policy

Dionysus

panda100 wrote: »

I think we can thank our lucky stars we don't have a party like the BNP over here. I think the people of Ireland are intelligent enough to realise that immigrants were not to blame for our economic collapse, but rather it was the failed policies of FF.

That will come. Britain has decades more experience than Ireland has on this issue. And Ireland, following the British example thanks to the "free market above all else" ideology of Harney/McDowell/McCreevy is well on the way to making the same mistakes.

As for the intelligence of the Irish electorate: 1) They consistently voted in Fianna Fáil under Ahern/McCreevy/Cowen 2) They've just voted in Fine Gael, despite the latter engaging in what has been the most dishonest election campaign in my lifetime.

Dionysus

Deleted User wrote: »

lol the PDs werent right wing...they might have thought they were or people might have thought they were but were certainly were not......!

The PDs were as economically rightwing as anything Thatcher or Reagan have offered. What is it with rightwingers claiming here that the unregulated capitalism and mé féinerism of the Irish political elite was, now that it has failed, not capitalist.

Pulling that one is seriously offensive shít altogether.

CiaranC

Dionysus wrote: »

The PDs were as economically rightwing as anything Thatcher or Reagan have offered. What is it with rightwingers claiming here that the unregulated capitalism and mé féinerism of the Irish political elite was, now that it has failed, not capitalist.

Pulling that one is seriously offensive shít altogether.

Its Orwellian double-think.

dsmythy

Dionysus wrote: »

The PDs were as economically rightwing as anything Thatcher or Reagan have offered. What is it with rightwingers claiming here that the unregulated capitalism and mé féinerism of the Irish political elite was, now that it has failed, not capitalist.

Pulling that one is seriously offensive shít altogether.

If it remained unregulated then bank guarantees wouldn't have happened. They'd be allowed to go bust. The government would have stayed away. They didn't though.

Blowfish

Dionysus wrote: »

What is it with rightwingers claiming here that the unregulated capitalism and mé féinerism of the Irish political elite was, now that it has failed, not capitalist.

Pulling that one is seriously offensive shít altogether.

It's quite simple. The very first line of wiki's definition of free market states:

A free market is a market in which there is no economic intervention and regulation by the state, except to enforce private contracts and the ownership of property.

Guaranteeing private debt and transferring it to the taxpayer goes against the very definition of what a free market actually is.

To reiterate, the banks failing is capatilism. The Irish taxpayer being forced to pay for the banks failure is not capatalism.

pragmatic1

Because it never ends well with far right politics. Bunch of moaners who project their own insecurities onto other groups.

Benito

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Right wing economics does not mean fascism!!
people cant separate right wing economics and right wing social policy

You're offline so I'll be short. Right wing economic agendas in our, Irish experience amount to .... no alternative. You don't need jack-boots to destroy our health system. We pay nearly as much for ours as the Swedes pay for theirs, with their bigger and older population. It has been going on for decades. THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE. Would be if we had a functioning Democracy. Maybe, just maybe, this is the start...........maybe

Lawrence1895

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Because it never ends well with far right politics. Bunch of moaners who project their own insecurities onto other groups.

As long as the group, which supports those moaners is pretty small, let them moan and don't give them the attention they are crying for

.0

Blowfish wrote: »

To reiterate, the banks failing is capatilism. The Irish taxpayer being forced to pay for the banks failure is not capatalism as I would like it.

Fixed.

Benito

Dionysus wrote: »

The PDs were as economically rightwing as anything Thatcher or Reagan have offered. What is it with rightwingers claiming here that the unregulated capitalism and mé féinerism of the Irish political elite was, now that it has failed, not capitalist.

Pulling that one is seriously offensive shít altogether.

You are angrier than me, for now. It is not the rules of Capitalism (yeah rules!) It is the class of ****e who (whom?) has ruled us since 1922. The profits on land and speculation have had the opportunity to shoot up to the billions and when they fall, get bailed out.

We always emigrate, me in the 90's. The political map always remained the same at home. FF, FG and Labour. Previously there were others. All had to be 'nationalist'. My fifth transfer went to Mary Lou....
First time ever giving a vote to SF. Not proud and mine is variable.

What and who next and when? Looking forward to the locals.

Permabear

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belacqua_

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Leo Varadkar?

Lucinda Creighton? And the rest of them ...

sarumite

.0 wrote: »

No, that's what a libertarian ideologue would like to happen, not what an actual capitalist would do.

A libertarian takes a capitalist approach to business....so yes, thats true. Though a libertarianism is political position, capitalism is not.

damonjewel

Why no far right candidates? because the Irish never supported any Far right agenda. so its a poor ticket if you want to get elected.

The question here is why there was never support for the far right in Ireland?

I define far right as being National front style politics.

There's probably loads of good well explained reasons, in my opinion I would say that Irish people never had a 'colonial mentality' unlike our european counterparts, there is no massive ethnic diveristy and no ghetto-isation of different ethnic groups to the degree that can be found in other parts of Europe, there is no over threatening hysteria whipped up by the Irish media, Populism and not idealism is used by the major parties, Far right politics usually pick a fight with something in society that goes against the so called national sensibilties and norms e.g. Judaism, Communism, Islam, Atheism, Homosexuality, immigrants, other races, but possibly in ireland a natural scapegoat cant be found. Our sense of National identity is not under threat.

Also lets give ourselves some credit here, I think most Irish people I know, no matter how strange their outlook and opinions are, would never dream of supporting fascism.

irishh_bob

HavingCrack wrote: »

Exactly as right wing could refer to the Islamic theocracies in Iran and Saudi Arabia, a Republican government in the United States, the Conservatives in the UK, a military dictatorship such as Pinochets etc etc,,,

in the eyes of the far left in ireland , islamists in pallestine , iraq or afghanistan are kindred spirits :rolleyes:

Sand

Sinn Fein tend to suck up the usual nationalist/socialist votes that "right wing" parties in other countries receive. It doesnt leave a lot of space for a genuine racist/xenophobic party to emerge, which I suppose is the one saving grace of Sinn Fein.

KIERAN1

Sand wrote: »

Sinn Fein tend to suck up the usual nationalist/socialist votes that "right wing" parties in other countries receive.

Far Right/ no way thank god.. Racist foolish people don't need them in this country.

irishh_bob

Dionysus wrote: »

Er, Shane Ross?

idiotic post

dyl10

Nolanger wrote: »

Anyone have a reasonable explanation why not even one person going for election had far-right views? Surely some people would have voted for these candidates?

Because real far-right politics don't actually exist, probably....

pragmatic1

Sand wrote: »

Sinn Fein tend to suck up the usual nationalist/socialist votes that "right wing" parties in other countries receive. It doesnt leave a lot of space for a genuine racist/xenophobic party to emerge, which I suppose is the one saving grace of Sinn Fein.

Our lefties have guns.

KIERAN1

irishh_bob wrote: »

in the eyes of the far left in ireland , islamists in pallestine , iraq or afghanistan are kindred spirits :rolleyes:

The Left= Care about everyone!!!

The Right= Care about themselves mainly, but if they can help along the way that is something that helps their ego!! Good honest church going Catholics Jesus will be proud of them:rolleyes:

irishh_bob

KIERAN1 wrote: »

The Left= Care about everyone!!!

The Right= Care about themselves mainly, but if they can help along the way that is something that helps their ego!! Good honest church going Catholics Jesus will be proud of them:rolleyes:

keep feeding on those stereotypes

Dionysus

Permabear wrote: »

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So, you can't be a rightwinger unless you quote Hayek (1899 -1992) on the floor of the Dáil? Did rightwingers not exist before he came on the scene? Thatcher, for instance, was inspired by rightwinger thinker which predate Hayek by some time, such as Adam Smith (1723 -1790).

I expect your comment about Thatcher is some juvenile attempt at trolling.

Permabear wrote: »

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Where, in your opinion, has this perfectly rightwing society existed other than in Thatcher's Britain?

Permabear wrote: »

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In fairness, you didn't need to be a genius to see that 1) we were in a bubble, and 2) that the bubble was going to burst. The IMF, like every other economic organisation, issued so many reports that they were of course going to, like a stopped clock, be correct at some stage. Here are some of the many IMF reports praising the rightwing policy of Charlie McCreevy in the same 1998. That they did nothing to curtail the Irish economy puts their warnings in context. At any rate, as if to demonstrate that criticisms of the economy were not the preserve of the IMF in 1998, Tom Prenderville produced a very fine explanation of what the banks were doing in the same year.

Dionysus

irishh_bob wrote: »

idiotic post

Given your posts to date, I can only take that as a compliment.

KIERAN1

irishh_bob wrote: »

keep feeding on those stereotypes

I don't feed of it/ truth will always be found out in the end... As example/ a right wing government has crippled our nation, yet we elect another one just amazing is it not?

dsmythy

KIERAN1 wrote: »

I don't feed of it/ truth will always be found out in the end... As example/ a right wing government has crippled our nation, yet we elect another one just amazing is it not?

Fianna Fáil are a left-wing and right-wing party depending on how they feel on the day.

KIERAN1

dsmythy wrote: »

Fianna Fáil are a left-wing and right-wing party depending on how they feel on the day.

Actually FF have always adopted right wing positions on economic matters. Lot more involved in left wing policies then FF giving a few nice sweets to lower income families during the Celtic Tiger era..

.0

sarumite wrote: »

A libertarian takes a capitalist approach to business....so yes, thats true. Though a libertarianism is political position, capitalism is not.

Err, okay. I'm not going to get into a war of semantics here. Just be aware that you're using the words 'capitalist' and 'capitalism' in very unusual ways.

Does 'capitalism' refer to an ideology (way of thinking, set of values, etc) or to a mode of production?

The word historically has generally referred to a mode of production, as it was popularised by marxists and other opponents of, well... 'capitalism'. So in that sense, the societies in which capitalism is the dominant mode of production are capitalist societies. In those societies, 'capitalists' are the people whose money circulates as 'capital' through processes of commodity production.

I'm aware, on the other hand, that some people refer to themselves as 'capitalists' in the sense of 'I am an advocate of capitalism'. These 'capitalists' might not own any capital at all, they could be wage-labourers. In that sense it's a term counterposed to 'communist', 'socialist', 'anarchist', etc, though probably more restricted to armchair philosophising than those (which often entail activism). And the question still remains, what is 'capitalism' in this case? What is it these 'capitalists' advocate? If it's the utopian 'free market' of the libertarian imagination then we're left with the question of what we're supposed to call the society we've been living in for the past few centuries, because they've just nicked our word for it.