Gardai acquitted....

msjones1

usernamegoes wrote: »

Of course the jury didn't hear all of the facts, and rightly so, as some may not be reliable, and several times during the trial voir dire was called to exclude potions of proposed testimony.

I sat in the Court each day, and admittedly, heard some evidence that the jury didn't, but it wasn't really that important. I came to a different conclusion than the jury.

The went away to deliberate for 5 hours on a Friday, were called back in at 4pm and asked if they had considered all the counts and reached unanimous verdict on any. The answered no to both questions. So at that point the judge couldn't instruct them on majority verdict as they hadn't even considered all the counts.

Then 2 hours later they arrive back and deliver their verdict.

after five hours they had reached unanimous verdict on ten out of the 15

EarlERizer

mconigol wrote: »

You're mistaken. To protect the values of the society sometimes things will need to be done that may seem to contradict those values. However, without those actions the desired value system cannot exist.

If a weed grows in your crops you don't water it just because it's a plant too. You remove it in order to allow the rest to grow and to prevent the spread.

Excuse me but I am not mistaken, I am giving my opinion and my veiwpoint on the subject, just because I don't subscribe to your veiw on things I am wrong and you are right? if anything your reply backs up my previous posts.

Thanks for the farming tip and the insight into how you see people in general.

usernamegoes

msjones1 wrote: »

after five hours they had reached unanimous verdict on ten out of the 15

After five hours, on some of the counts, there was no unanimous decision, they didn't detail the numbers.

end a eknny

going by the majority of posts the jury probably didnt consider the gardai to be innocent more likely that they thought that he got what he deserved. which is a bit strange that they considered it is ok for the gardai to act like the thugs they are paid to protect us from

EarlERizer

end a eknny wrote: »

going by the majority of posts the jury probably didnt consider the gardai to be innocent more likely that they thought that he got what he deserved. which is a bit strange that they considered it is ok for the gardai to act like the thugs they are paid to protect us from

goat2 wrote: »

i think that if he is or was unemployed, then he was paid by the public, and maybe housed by the public, and educated by the public, and health care by the public, so indeed those same gardai were paying tax while this gaffney was scrounging

Failed by the public system! Got to say i'm appalled at some of the opinions of supposed civilised people.

mconigol

EarlERizer wrote: »

Excuse me but I am not mistaken, I am giving my opinion and my veiwpoint on the subject, just because I don't subscribe to your veiw on things I am wrong and you are right? if anything your reply backs up my previous posts.

Thanks for the farming tip and the insight into how you see people in general.

Yes you are. You accused me of turning a blind eye to vigilantism and having distorted principles. I'm the only one of us qualified to tell you your mistaken on that point.

My principles are very high. It's the kind of low life you are crying over that don't have principles.

mconigol

EarlERizer wrote: »

Failed by the public system! Got to say i'm appalled at some of the opinions of supposed civilised people.

You keep talking about civilised people.

Over the centuries as well in modern times "civilised" people kill and perform "uncivilised" acts in order to perpetuate the civilisation and lifestyle that you enjoy today.

Other people regularly perform, what you would term "uncivilised" acts (i.e. war, exploitation) which allow you to fool yourself into believing that you are part of some great, pure, system built solely on integrity and equality.

Look at the computer you are using, clothes you wear, food you eat. It's more than likely that some of the raw materials and labour involved in producing those things were produced by people who by the laws of Ireland we would consider to be exploited. Low wages, low standards of living, lower life expectancy, etc...etc...etc...where's the civility in that?

Fact is, this idea of a civilized society is just an idealised notion. In practice it does not exist.

tayto lover

end a eknny wrote: »

eoin gaffney is not being paid by the public to uphold the law the gardai are. if the gardai and judicial system continue to show disrespect to people from working class areas then they can continue to expect disrespect from them

I agree with you for once.
But would you ever turn off the long-playing record. They were acquitted so get over it. We have to respect the jury system and give them credit for their decisions. You might have better luck next week.

archer22

mconigol wrote: »

You're mistaken. To protect the values of the society sometimes things will need to be done that may seem to contradict those values. However, without those actions the desired value system cannot exist.

If a weed grows in your crops you don't water it just because it's a plant too. You remove it in order to allow the rest to grow and to prevent the spread.

Mein Kampf ?

EarlERizer

mconigol wrote: »

Yes you are. You accused me of turning a blind eye to vigilantism and having distorted principles. I'm the only one of us qualified to tell you your mistaken on that point.

My principles are very high. It's the kind of low life you are crying over that don't have principles.

Ah,now I see the 'mistake' , sorry for the confusion,when I said "If your principles allow you to turn a blind eye to vigilanteism then your principles are somewhat distorted" I wasn't speaking of you yourself ,it was a general use of the term "you" maybe I should've said "we".

I am not mistaken on any of my veiwpoints or opinions,they're mine and I stand by them.

As for me crying over lowlife,can you accept your mistaken on that? given that I have no regard for the victim or toe rags of his ilk,my point which I have clearly mentioned throughout this thread is the unacceptable behaviour of the gardai and how it contradicts people's talk of who is and isn't a fit member of society.

To me, neither toe rags been toe rags nor gardai acting thuggish have a place in a civilised society and can't be tolerated or excused.A toe rag acting like a toe rag is disgusting but a uniformed garda acting like a thug is appalling,societys acceptance of such indiscretions is shameful.

mconigol

archer22 wrote: »

Mein Kampf ?

If any comment ever deserved a rolleyes it's that one. Godwins law is still good I see.

:rolleyes:

EarlERizer wrote: »

Ah,now I see the 'mistake' , sorry for the confusion,when I said "If your principles allow you to turn a blind eye to vigilanteism then your principles are somewhat distorted" I wasn't speaking of you yourself ,it was a general use of the term "you" maybe I should've said "we".

I am not mistaken on any of my veiwpoints or opinions,they're mine and I stand by them.

As for me crying over lowlife,can you accept your mistaken on that? given that I have no regard for the victim or toe rags of his ilk,my point which I have clearly mentioned throughout this thread is the unacceptable behaviour of the gardai and how it contradicts people's talk of who is and isn't a fit member of society.

To me, neither toe rags been toe rags nor gardai acting thuggish have a place in a civilised society and can't be tolerated or excused.A toe rag acting like a toe rag is disgusting but a uniformed garda acting like a thug is appalling,societys acceptance of such indiscretions is shameful.

You're entitled to your viewpoints. The gardai were found not guilty however, so if you want to put so much faith in law and civic procedures then surely you should not even be on here arguing about the verdict.

You're argument works both ways, if you expect everyone to follow the law then you should respect the decision of that system whether you agree or not, no? You claim that these guards did not follow the law, which is wrong. However by being on here, second guessing the outcome of a trial result you yourself are effectively doing the same. That's not an attack on you. Just the way I see it.

I'd prefer if guards didn't go around smacking trouble makers up. However, I'd prefer much more for those trouble makers to be dealt with so that they don't have an opportunity to negatively affect my life somehow. So, it's really a case of the lesser of two evils imo.

Potential-Monke

Can't believe people are still arguing this. In the eyes of the law, the law to which we are all accountable, they were innocent until proven guilty. They were found not guilty, so they are still innocent, or even presumed innocent. They were tried and found not guilty. So it doesn't matter if the walls believe different, if people on here believe different, if the Judge believes different, they were found not guilty by their peers. End of. It doesn't matter if you were there and saw something that may prove otherwise, they were found not guilty. It may have been on a technicality, but technicalities win or lose cases. Not guilty means not guilty, and you legally cannot state that they did what they were in court for, otherwise it's defamation.

And there was a unanimous verdict on 10 of the 15 cases. That means all 12 believe them not guilty of 10 charges. Of the other 5, a majority verdict was found. A majority verdict is 11-1 or 10-2. Thats accepted because thats enough for reasonable doubt.

Also, is it not possible that the injuries were sustained through a lawful arrest? It's not possible that while being arrested he became aggressive and put it up to the Gardai so much that they needed their batons, and while striking him he put his head down, got a slap in the head accidently? Also, he said he was kicked into the chin, by a Garda in uniform, who have steel toe-capped boots as standard issue, and there wasn't even a mark?!?!?!?!?! I call bs.

EarlERizer

mconigol wrote: »

If any comment eve deserved a rolleyes it's that one. Godwins law is still good I see.

:rolleyes:



You're entitled to your viewpoints. The gardai were found not guilty however, so if you want to put so much faith in law and civic procedures then surely you should not even be on here arguing about the verdict.

You're argument works both ways, if you expect everyone to follow the law then you should respect the decision of that system whether you agree or not, no? You claim that these guards did not follow the law, which is wrong. However by being on here, second guessing the outcome of a trial result you yourself are effectively doing the same. That's not an attack on you. Just the way I see it.

I'd prefer if guards didn't go around smacking trouble makers up. However, I'd prefer much more for those trouble makers to be dealt with so that they don't have an opportunity to negatively affect my life somehow. So, it's really a case of the lesser of two evils imo.

Well atleast there's something we agree on.

I'm not 2nd guessing the verdict,I dont agree with it been the right one,thats just my taking on what happened,the thread interests me hence me been on here and given my opinion,isn't that the point of the place? or should everyone just be in agreement? would be nice but I think it would make for a boring read.

I may live in an uncivilised world,doesn't mean I accept it,not thuggery,war,deceit,exploitation or any of the other negatives you pointed out.I'll never accept uncivilised behaviour as "thats just the way it is"

worded

The thug had 30 convictions? How many did he never get caught for - 30ish?
How many did he get acquitted for 30 ish? So say he has committed 90 + crimes recently. 1 every week or two?

Fcuk him. He deserves what he got.

My name is URL

worded wrote: »

Fcuk him. He deserves what he got.

Darn tootin'. He had so many convictions that a batin' wasn't even good enough for him.. the damn scoooby.. I wonder where he is now.. oh, no wait.. he's in jail. Obviously said batin' proved to be ineffective in this case. The Gardai need to dish out harder beatings obviously, and waste even more time in court. This is the way forward.. the path to enlightenment and reduced crime rates.

Alternatively the retards could learn how to successfully prosecute repeat offenders.

You're paying the wages of these goons remember. The detection rate for robberies atm is less than 25%. A fcuking joke.

jimmycrackcorm

end a eknny wrote: »

eoin gaffney is not being paid by the public to uphold the law the gardai are. if the gardai and judicial system continue to show disrespect to people from working class areas then they can continue to expect disrespect from them

When you say working class areas - do you actually mean people from the criminal classes. pretty sure that this guy was never a member of the "working" class.

JEINKINS12

end a eknny wrote: »

going by the majority of posts the jury probably didnt consider the gardai to be innocent more likely that they thought that he got what he deserved. which is a bit strange that they considered it is ok for the gardai to act like the thugs they are paid to protect us from

Going by the majority of posts ? Since when did posters on boards.ie become the all knowing in relation to the private deliberations of a jury. Truth is we will never know why or how they reached their decision.

BTW did you ever even consider that the 4 Gardai ARE innocent ? And that is maybe the reason the jury found them not guilty...

You seem to be entirely biased and convinced they are guilty.

Potential-Monke

My name is URL wrote: »

Alternatively the retards could learn how to successfully prosecute repeat offenders.

You're paying the wages of these goons remember. The detection rate for robberies atm is less than 25%. A fcuking joke.

You obviously have absolutely no idea. The reason the detection rates and conviction rates are so low is because this country is too soft on the criminals, and what used to be enough is no longer adequate, technicalities are found on a daily basis which have massive effects on cases and require hundreds of hours of investigation and evidence which can be thrown out of court on the smallest of technicalities. And even if everything is perfect, you have handicapped judges who are either a: too soft, b: anti-garda, c: couldn't care less or d: giving out crazy heavy sentances so that his friend presiding over the circuit/high court can have another few grand while the case is contested!

And if you're so perfect why don't you join up and show them how it's done. ****ing keyboard warrior. Don't post on something you have no clue about. :rolleyes:

FlutterinBantam

Ever think how much scrotes like this alleged victim cost the taxpayer?

How much did the trial cost, how much did his activities resulting from 29 convictions cost,how much garda time taken up by people like this.

And yet we have the bleeding heart brigade, the champions of the so called 'repressed' the so called 'disadvantaged' the so called 'working class', ready to spring to the defence of these people and try to take the high moral ground.

Working class my eye, most of them never have worked,never will work in legitimate outlets, and will never contribute anything to society, other than nefarious activities and will nurture a lifestyle of dependency with alarming sense of 'entitlement'.

Have these 'keyboard activists' no cop on?

MagicSean

My name is URL wrote: »

Alternatively the retards could learn how to successfully prosecute repeat offenders.

You're paying the wages of these goons remember. The detection rate for robberies atm is less than 25%. A fcuking joke.

Retards? Surely the fact that he had so many previous convictions means that he was successfully prosecuted many times? If you have trouble understanding that then maybe it's not gardai that are the retards.

As for your comment on robberies, I'm sure you can do a better job. I'm sure you can look at a grainy CCTV image of a masked man and identify him straight away. Because the only real ways to solve robberies are to catch them in the act or depend on CCTV and witnesses, both of which are usually useless.

Try thinking before you type. And if you don't know anything about the subject then don't write about it. Otherwise you risk looking like an idiot.

tayto lover

JEINKINS12 wrote: »

Going by the majority of posts ? Since when did posters on boards.ie become the all knowing in relation to the private deliberations of a jury. Truth is we will never know why or how they reached their decision.

BTW did you ever even consider that the 4 Gardai ARE innocent ? And that is maybe the reason the jury found them not guilty...

You seem to be entirely biased and convinced they are guilty.

Yes End. A kenny would like the jury to be picked from the inmates of Mountjoy it seems.

AudreyHepburn

end a eknny wrote: »

eoin gaffney is not being paid by the public to uphold the law the gardai are. if the gardai and judicial system continue to show disrespect to people from working class areas then they can continue to expect disrespect from them

And so he should be allowed to break it as and when he wants and in whatever way he wants? And the Gardai should be expected to treat him with respect?

The guy is a thug and drug dealer with 20 convictions to him name and he assaulted a woman. You cannot expect star treatment if that is how you act. His social status is irrelevant.

AudreyHepburn

Raiser wrote: »

I think we need to step back and look at this logically.

The verdict does seem to defeat all logic and warp established notions of what is right and that which is wrong.

12 of the accuseds "Peers" (ie. true peers - all named Anto who somehow found themselves registered to vote etc.) delivered a judgement so sound that they cried (?)

The 12 Jurors couldn't all have been locked in the Court Bathroom - Cause then there would have been nobody to beat up - I'd guess that they locked them up in 3 groups of 4 or similar.

I'd say whoever got to reason with them was almost defintiely on the verge of obtaining offical paperwork granting them permission to "talk" to the Jury and "convince" them to play ball.

I doubt they actually imprisoned they Jurors Mothers - Now thats just being silly..... I'd say they probably just threatened to!!!

This doesn't make any sense at all ?!

worded

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

And so he should be allowed to break it as and when he wants and in whatever way he wants? And the Gardai should be expected to treat him with respect?

The guy is a thug and drug dealer with 20 convictions to him name and he assaulted a woman. You cannot expect star treatment if that is how you act. His social status is irrelevant.

I think its 29 convictions and probably 100s more he got away with.
he assaulted a woman > he broke her jaw?

Well done lads. Justice served.

archer22

worded wrote: »

I think its 29 convictions and probably 100s more he got away with.
he assaulted a woman > he broke her jaw?

Well done lads. Justice served.

justice served hahaha...no if Justice had been served the would all now be in the same cell.Gombeenism served..well done Ireland.Its now plainly obvious that you are a terminaly ill patient.

tayto lover

archer22 wrote: »

justice served hahaha...no if Justice had been served the would all now be in the same cell.Gombeenism served..well done Ireland.Its now plainly obvious that you are a terminaly ill patient.

So you are better informed than the jury ?
You are a sad person.

Phoenix Park

As a non-garda and non-criminal i am delighted with the verdict. I only hope they did in fact give him a good beating. Job well done lads and well done to the jury too.

charlemont

worded wrote: »

I think its 29 convictions and probably 100s more he got away with.
he assaulted a woman > he broke her jaw?

Well done lads. Justice served.

Was it a Bhan Garda he assaulted ? If so, What a coward. Sure we can all have a laugh at him now as he is probably out in the prison yard now getting mocked by the other prisoners for losing the case, Im sure the clown had dreams of all the compensation he would get, Flash car, Clothes, Hookers, Now all he can look forward to is the dole.

the bolt

carlybabe1 wrote: »

spoken like someone who has had the gardai at thier door a time or two before.....so tell us, were they heavy handed with you too??
Personally speaking, Ive never brought the gardai to my parents door, or I can tell ye this, it wouldnt have been them giving me the "hiding", they would have had to pull my parents off me, the first time. But then, I was brought up properly, my parents understood that kids no matter how innocent they may seem at home, can go off the rails, and they disciplined accordingly



Again, am definately getting a sense of "sack of spuds on the shoulder", Ive always found the gardai to be extremely nice and helpful, but then, I never went around robbing cars or beating people up....could there be a link there I wonder :rolleyes:




http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/gardai-locked-my-mum-in-bathroom-and-then-beat-me-2808222.html

Doctors later noted a bruise on Mr Gaffney's head, swelling to his nose which had been bleeding, bruising to the front and back of his upper body and a superficial laceration on his right upper arm when he arrived at St James's Hospital.


Hardly a severe hiding, he was aggresive towards the gardai, and I seriously doubt his mother stood there quietly, or asked them reasonably to leave her son alone. She was most likely hurling abuse at them too, doesnt take a genius to figure out she was hardly mother of the year. Lokk at the cat, look at the kittens





couldnt agree more. Its all bleeding hearts until you're at the mercy of a little sh(t like this whos terrorising you, your kids and half the neighbourhood



Eh I think you completely defeated your point that I highlighted above with the rest of the drivvel you posted. Is that good LSD




Yes indeed, which is why he failed to mention to the garda ombudsman that he had 27 prior convictions, the first in a long line of lies, and omissions


Any one want to take bets on how long it will be before hes back in the papers having commited yet another crime ????? Any takers, I'd say before xmas

are you implying that i have robbed cars or beaten people up?

end a eknny

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Retards? Surely the fact that he had so many previous convictions means that he was successfully prosecuted many times? If you have trouble understanding that then maybe it's not gardai that are the retards.

As for your comment on robberies, I'm sure you can do a better job. I'm sure you can look at a grainy CCTV image of a masked man and identify him straight away. Because the only real ways to solve robberies are to catch them in the act or depend on CCTV and witnesses, both of which are usually useless.

Try thinking before you type. And if you don't know anything about the subject then don't write about it. Otherwise you risk looking like an idiot.

he may have being referring to the fact that if you report an incident like a robbery to the gardai the usual response is that nobodys available and they will send somebody out when the culprit has gone and is probably in an alley shooting up your money

My name is URL

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Retards? Surely the fact that he had so many previous convictions means that he was successfully prosecuted many times? If you have trouble understanding that then maybe it's not gardai that are the retards.

As for your comment on robberies, I'm sure you can do a better job. I'm sure you can look at a grainy CCTV image of a masked man and identify him straight away. Because the only real ways to solve robberies are to catch them in the act or depend on CCTV and witnesses, both of which are usually useless.

Try thinking before you type. And if you don't know anything about the subject then don't write about it. Otherwise you risk looking like an idiot.

Look, there are people here defending the alleged actions of the Gardai involved in the case, some of them Gardai themselves. They defend the actions and in the same breath go on about how much tax money is wasted on bringing scrotes like Gaffney to justice. Can you not see the irony there? How much tax money is wasted on Court cases like this one? Garda time is wasted also, and it damages the image of AGS. It doesn't help to turn people away from crime either.

It pisses me off to no end to see people defend or justify Gardai breaking the laws that they are supposed to uphold.. that is not justice.

And as for robberies, you don't think that 25% is an awfully low detection rate? That means that 75% of people who go out robbing tonight can sleep soundly in their beds without fear of ever getting caught.. getting roughed up on the other hand..!

Sofa King Great

My name is URL wrote: »

And as for robberies, you don't think that 25% is an awfully low detection rate? That means that 75% of people who go out robbing tonight can sleep soundly in their beds without fear of ever getting caught.. getting roughed up on the other hand..!

The real issue hear is that the other 25% will be charged, convicted and in most cases given a suspended sentence and will be back robbing next week.

I think 25% is pretty good. Its not like they rob places and leave a note saying who they are and where they live.

tayto lover

end a eknny wrote: »

he may have being referring to the fact that if you report an incident like a robbery to the gardai the usual response is that nobodys available and they will send somebody out when the culprit has gone and is probably in an alley shooting up your money

They were always there when i needed them in fairness. I only needed to have words with one Garda in my time and found them helpful and courteous except for the one lad.

tayto lover

My name is URL wrote: »

Look, there are people here defending the alleged actions of the Gardai involved in the case, some of them Gardai themselves. They defend the actions and in the same breath go on about how much tax money is wasted on bringing scrotes like Gaffney to justice. Can you not see the irony there? How much tax money is wasted on Court cases like this one? Garda time is wasted also, and it damages the image of AGS. It doesn't help to turn people away from crime either.

It pisses me off to no end to see people defend or justify Gardai breaking the laws that they are supposed to uphold.. that is not justice.

And as for robberies, you don't think that 25% is an awfully low detection rate? That means that 75% of people who go out robbing tonight can sleep soundly in their beds without fear of ever getting caught.. getting roughed up on the other hand..!

I am of the opinion that they are only as good as the people they serve. If they are not getting the information from the public then there is little chance of the criminal being caught. The criminals are very conscious of not leaving fingerprints and wear masks usually. I read that the Garda detection rate is on a par with most police forces.
Many of you obviously had run-ins with Gardai and as such have agendas which you're posts do not disguise, its obvious from reading them.
I would not like to see Gardai beating up anyone as we have the courts to decide the guilt or otherwise of an alleged offender, BUT that same rule of law is also there for the Gardai and in this case they have been found not guilty. Get over it.

FlutterinBantam

My name is URL wrote: »

Look, there are people here defending the alleged actions of the Gardai involved in the case, some of them Gardai themselves. They defend the actions and in the same breath go on about how much tax money is wasted on bringing scrotes like Gaffney to justice. Can you not see the irony there? How much tax money is wasted on Court cases like this one? Garda time is wasted also, and it damages the image of AGS. It doesn't help to turn people away from crime either.

It pisses me off to no end to see people defend or justify Gardai breaking the laws that they are supposed to uphold.. that is not justice.

And as for robberies, you don't think that 25% is an awfully low detection rate? That means that 75% of people who go out robbing tonight can sleep soundly in their beds without fear of ever getting caught.. getting roughed up on the other hand..!

I have read crap in my time, but that post beats the lot.

25% is a low detection rate, why?Ask yourself why.

Because ***** who witnessed events won't testify, that's why

Either because the goons who perpetrated the crime have intimidated the witnesses, or because the witnesses were implicated, or part of the culture themselves.

If people took a responsible attitude and instead of supporting and backing these ****, we would have more convictions.

Think about that ,my friend before you shoot off your mouth with that kind of rubbish.

seniorstaff

i think the jury were thinking that this individual with a long list of previous convictions was long overdue a good slapping, for once justice was served , not all this prisoners rights rubbish ,that we are so sick of listening to by the do gooders in our society.

_Kaiser_

OK, I read through the first 40/50 replies so apologies if this was already said..

This verdict was a disgrace.. regardless of whether the guy "deserved it" or not, the 4 gardai in question should have been sent down for their actions - illegal entry, false imprisonment, assault.. take your pick! What happens when the next guy really IS innocent?

More likely the jury aquitted them for fear of retaliation by them or their colleagues than a genuine belief in their innocence (jurors crying seems a bit out of place). Of course cheerleaders of our Keystone Cops brigade will no doubt dismiss this as paranoia, but there's too many reports of Garda misconduct, corruption and outright incompetence for them ALL to be made up.

I myself have had enough dealings with them over the years (my mother lives in an area where she's tormented by antisocial behaviour - actively aided and abetted by the local Garda station) to know that while there are some good Gardai who take the job and responsibilities seriously, there are far too many who think the badge makes them Dirty Harry and gives them free reign to abuse both their position and the public they are charged (and paid) to serve.

The unfortunate fact is that our police force is an unprofessional and amateur outfit with virtually no accountability (and don't talk to me about the Ombudsman - I rang them a few months back about something to get a recording telling me they weren't taking calls that day as they were too busy doing paperwork!) and there are far too many members who don't know the law, enforce it selectively, or are just lazy/incompetent to the point where (as usual) "it depends who you get" and in my opinion that's just not good enough for a job that can have such a lasting and damaging effect on other citizens!

Like so much else in this country (the political system, the HSE etc) the Gardai need a top to bottom clean out, but it'll never happen because Ireland runs on the "ah sure it'll be grand" approach to everything - which is why the only ones who do ultimately pay are the law-abiding, tax paying types that this bunch are supposed to protect!

FlutterinBantam

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

OK, I read through the first 40/50 replies so apologies if this was already said..

This verdict was a disgrace.. regardless of whether the guy "deserved it" or not, the 4 gardai in question should have been sent down for their actions - illegal entry, false imprisonment, assault.. take your pick! What happens when the next guy really IS innocent?

More likely the jury aquitted them for fear of retaliation by them or their colleagues than a genuine belief in their innocence (jurors crying seems a bit out of place). Of course cheerleaders of our Keystone Cops brigade will no doubt dismiss this as paranoia, but there's too many reports of Garda misconduct, corruption and outright incompetence for them ALL to be made up.

I myself have had enough dealings with them over the years (my mother lives in an area where she's tormented by antisocial behaviour - actively aided and abetted by the local Garda station) to know that while there are some good Gardai who take the job and responsibilities seriously, there are far too many who think the badge makes them Dirty Harry and gives them free reign to abuse both their position and the public they are charged (and paid) to serve.

The unfortunate fact is that our police force is an unprofessional and amateur outfit with virtually no accountability (and don't talk to me about the Ombudsman - I rang them a few months back about something to get a recording telling me they weren't taking calls that day as they were too busy doing paperwork!) and there are far too many members who don't know the law, enforce it selectively, or are just lazy/incompetent to the point where (as usual) "it depends who you get" and in my opinion that's just not good enough for a job that can have such a lasting and damaging effect on other citizens!

Like so much else in this country (the political system, the HSE etc) the Gardai need a top to bottom clean out, but it'll never happen because Ireland runs on the "ah sure it'll be grand" approach to everything - which is why the only ones who do ultimately pay are the law-abiding, tax paying types that this bunch are supposed to protect!

Absolute rubbish.

You come across like a person with chips on both shoulders .

That's bulldust, plain and simple.

_Kaiser_

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Absolute rubbish.

You come across like a person with chips on both shoulders .

That's bulldust, plain and simple.

Feel free to point out whatever sections you disagree with and we can go from there.

"just cause" isn't really a good argument...

FlutterinBantam

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

More likely the jury aquitted them for fear of retaliation by them or their colleagues than a genuine belief in their innocence (jurors crying seems a bit out of place). Of course cheerleaders of our Keystone Cops brigade will no doubt dismiss this as paranoia, but there's too many reports of Garda misconduct, corruption and outright incompetence for them ALL to be made up.

I myself have had enough dealings with them over the years (my mother lives in an area where she's tormented by antisocial behaviour - actively aided and abetted by the local Garda station) to know that while there are some good Gardai who take the job and responsibilities seriously, there are far too many who think the badge makes them Dirty Harry and gives them free reign to abuse both their position and the public they are charged (and paid) to serve.

The unfortunate fact is that our police force is an unprofessional and amateur outfit with virtually no accountability (and don't talk to me about the Ombudsman - I rang them a few months back about something to get a recording telling me they weren't taking calls that day as they were too busy doing paperwork!) and there are far too many members who don't know the law, enforce it selectively, or are just lazy/incompetent to the point where (as usual) "it depends who you get" and in my opinion that's just not good enough for a job that can have such a lasting and damaging effect on other citizens!

Like so much else in this country (the political system, the HSE etc) the Gardai need a top to bottom clean out, but it'll never happen because Ireland runs on the "ah sure it'll be grand" approach to everything - which is why the only ones who do ultimately pay are the law-abiding, tax paying types that this bunch are supposed to protect!

that will do for starters.

tayto lover

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

OK, I read through the first 40/50 replies so apologies if this was already said..

This verdict was a disgrace.. regardless of whether the guy "deserved it" or not, the 4 gardai in question should have been sent down for their actions - illegal entry, false imprisonment, assault.. take your pick! What happens when the next guy really IS innocent?

More likely the jury aquitted them for fear of retaliation by them or their colleagues than a genuine belief in their innocence (jurors crying seems a bit out of place). Of course cheerleaders of our Keystone Cops brigade will no doubt dismiss this as paranoia, but there's too many reports of Garda misconduct, corruption and outright incompetence for them ALL to be made up.

I myself have had enough dealings with them over the years (my mother lives in an area where she's tormented by antisocial behaviour - actively aided and abetted by the local Garda station) to know that while there are some good Gardai who take the job and responsibilities seriously, there are far too many who think the badge makes them Dirty Harry and gives them free reign to abuse both their position and the public they are charged (and paid) to serve.

The unfortunate fact is that our police force is an unprofessional and amateur outfit with virtually no accountability (and don't talk to me about the Ombudsman - I rang them a few months back about something to get a recording telling me they weren't taking calls that day as they were too busy doing paperwork!) and there are far too many members who don't know the law, enforce it selectively, or are just lazy/incompetent to the point where (as usual) "it depends who you get" and in my opinion that's just not good enough for a job that can have such a lasting and damaging effect on other citizens!

Like so much else in this country (the political system, the HSE etc) the Gardai need a top to bottom clean out, but it'll never happen because Ireland runs on the "ah sure it'll be grand" approach to everything - which is why the only ones who do ultimately pay are the law-abiding, tax paying types that this bunch are supposed to protect!

Have they laptops and computers in Mountjoy i wonder ?

My name is URL

tayto lover wrote: »

Many of you obviously had run-ins with Gardai and as such have agendas which you're posts do not disguise, its obvious from reading them.

tayto lover wrote: »

Have they laptops and computers in Mountjoy i wonder ?

How come it's ok to criticise judges, politicians, hospitals and all other forms of public sector bodies, but the minute someone criticises the Gardai, they are automatically suspected by some to be criminals? Grow up ffs.

_Kaiser_

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

that will do for starters.

tayto lover wrote: »

Have they laptops and computers in Mountjoy i wonder ?

My name is URL wrote: »

How come it's ok to criticise judges, politicians, hospitals and all other forms of public sector bodies, but the minute someone criticises the Gardai, they are automatically suspected by some to be criminals? Grow up ffs.

@My name is URL: Completely agree but then this is AH I guess :rolleyes:

Anyhow, for the rest of ye, here's a post I made wayy back in 2007 in a thread started by someone who was extremely frustrated with the response from our boys n girls in blue (feel free to read on past post 102 too for more info)

Read that and then come back and tell me about our excuse for a police force.

tayto lover

My name is URL wrote: »

How come it's ok to criticise judges, politicians, hospitals and all other forms of public sector bodies, but the minute someone criticises the Gardai, they are automatically suspected by some to be criminals? Grow up ffs.

Maybe its the outlandish comments and rubbish that spouted that causes it. Did you tell any of them to grow up or is it only people who disagree with you ?

tayto lover

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

@My name is URL: Completely agree but then this is AH I guess :rolleyes:

Anyhow, for the rest of ye, here's a post I made wayy back in 2007 in a thread started by someone who was extremely frustrated with the response from our boys n girls in blue (feel free to read on past post 102 too for more info)

Read that and then come back and tell me about our excuse for a police force.

So you're grandmother was good friends with ray. Says it all.

MagicSean

end a eknny wrote: »

he may have being referring to the fact that if you report an incident like a robbery to the gardai the usual response is that nobodys available and they will send somebody out when the culprit has gone and is probably in an alley shooting up your money

You do know that Garda numbers have been cut? Do you actually know how many Gardaí cover your area, what population they cover and what size the district is?

My name is URL wrote: »

Look, there are people here defending the alleged actions of the Gardai involved in the case, some of them Gardai themselves. They defend the actions and in the same breath go on about how much tax money is wasted on bringing scrotes like Gaffney to justice. Can you not see the irony there? How much tax money is wasted on Court cases like this one? Garda time is wasted also, and it damages the image of AGS. It doesn't help to turn people away from crime either.

It pisses me off to no end to see people defend or justify Gardai breaking the laws that they are supposed to uphold.. that is not justice.

And as for robberies, you don't think that 25% is an awfully low detection rate? That means that 75% of people who go out robbing tonight can sleep soundly in their beds without fear of ever getting caught.. getting roughed up on the other hand..!

You don't know me and have never met me in work. You have no right to call me a retard or a goon. This guys were found innocent after two trials yet you continue to call them guilty. Do you know how many times I've seen a scumbag being retried? Never.

As for the robbery detection rate. What you don't understand is that robbers tend to be repeat offenders. They might commit four robberies and be caught on the last one. That's four robberies caught but only one officially "detected" unless the guy admits to it.

My name is URL wrote: »

How come it's ok to criticise judges, politicians, hospitals and all other forms of public sector bodies, but the minute someone criticises the Gardai, they are automatically suspected by some to be criminals? Grow up ffs.

I'll take justified and informed criticism any day. Calling me a retard does not fall under either for me.

the bolt

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Absolute rubbish.

You come across like a person with chips on both shoulders .

That's bulldust, plain and simple.

and you sir come across as a fine upstanding young man,the kind this country needs more of.
:rolleyes:

My name is URL

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

You don't know me and have never met me in work. You have no right to call me a retard or a goon. This guys were found innocent after two trials yet you continue to call them guilty. Do you know how many times I've seen a scumbag being retried? Never.

I never called you or the Gardai as a whole retards or goons. I'm sorry if that's how it came across.

I was only referring to those people saying that the alleged actions of the Gardai was justified, and those suggesting that they should do it more often.. I shouldn't have used the word retard either way however.

And I never claimed that the people in this case were guilty, no more those saying 'he deserved what he got' or 'the Gardai were right to do it' are.

AudreyHepburn

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

OK, I read through the first 40/50 replies so apologies if this was already said..

This verdict was a disgrace.. regardless of whether the guy "deserved it" or not, the 4 gardai in question should have been sent down for their actions - illegal entry, false imprisonment, assault.. take your pick! What happens when the next guy really IS innocent?

More likely the jury aquitted them for fear of retaliation by them or their colleagues than a genuine belief in their innocence (jurors crying seems a bit out of place). Of course cheerleaders of our Keystone Cops brigade will no doubt dismiss this as paranoia, but there's too many reports of Garda misconduct, corruption and outright incompetence for them ALL to be made up.

I myself have had enough dealings with them over the years (my mother lives in an area where she's tormented by antisocial behaviour - actively aided and abetted by the local Garda station) to know that while there are some good Gardai who take the job and responsibilities seriously, there are far too many who think the badge makes them Dirty Harry and gives them free reign to abuse both their position and the public they are charged (and paid) to serve.

The unfortunate fact is that our police force is an unprofessional and amateur outfit with virtually no accountability (and don't talk to me about the Ombudsman - I rang them a few months back about something to get a recording telling me they weren't taking calls that day as they were too busy doing paperwork!) and there are far too many members who don't know the law, enforce it selectively, or are just lazy/incompetent to the point where (as usual) "it depends who you get" and in my opinion that's just not good enough for a job that can have such a lasting and damaging effect on other citizens!

Like so much else in this country (the political system, the HSE etc) the Gardai need a top to bottom clean out, but it'll never happen because Ireland runs on the "ah sure it'll be grand" approach to everything - which is why the only ones who do ultimately pay are the law-abiding, tax paying types that this bunch are supposed to protect!

I'm sorry but cannot tar them all based on a few idiots.

I'm sorry your mother has to put up with such torment but there really is very little than can be done in such cases. The culprits can rarely be tied conclusively to the crime.

In my own area there was a spate of robberies recently, the Gardai knew the identities of the thieves but a lack of hard evidence prevented them from acting on this knowledge.

AudreyHepburn

My name is URL wrote: »

How come it's ok to criticise judges, politicians, hospitals and all other forms of public sector bodies, but the minute someone criticises the Gardai, they are automatically suspected by some to be criminals? Grow up ffs.

First off calm down a little. There is no need for the snippy 'grow up'.

Criticising is fine, generalising and tarring a whole group based on a few rotted apples is not.