Germany commissioner wants to humiliate Ireland officially!

Snakeblood

AdamD wrote: »

It would be 'one idiot' if these comments/actions were just from a single German politician.


Damn Irish people for not wanting to get smacked around by Europe. Lets just take the ridiculous interest rates on a 'bailout deal' despite standard IMF bailouts being far lower. Lets take further insults from Foreign politicians disgracing our whole country, not just our government. Thats what people are responding to in this thread, the German is disgracing our country hence the comments about his.

That comment that started this was one idiot.

Again you say 'The German is disgracing our country'. Not a bunch of people, but one guy, who has been slapped down obviously, and has since retracted.

Also, the bailout money from the EU is at cost, as of yesterday.

Wertz

Orando Broom wrote: »

Ireland unlike Germany does not and never had the liberty of systematically stealing the personal wealth of a people for the gain of it's political elite.

Could have fooled me... our lot didn't even need to fire a shot.

Dudess

Tough contest, but I think this is possibly the After Hours thread with the most idiocy I've ever read...
One German man says something that's not even that bad, and "The Germans are all nazis", even kids born in the 90s. Get a grip, it's ****ing dumb. And it's a mild version of the kind of poisonous thinking that led to the holocaust in the first place.

Notorious97 wrote: »

But as bad as i can slate Britain for what they have done in our own country

Yeah, "Britain" - all those ordinary British people, many of whom are of Irish extraction... damn them for what they've done in our own country.

the Germans have inflicted quite possibly the most cruel behaviour on other people, other nations have had their own share of terror, but Germany in my eyes just top the list for what they done in WWII. It wasn’t just a single party behind it either, that whole country bought into his ideas and went along with it.

The last bit is just laughable - "the whole country". Actually most of them were too afraid to stand up to the might of the Third Reich - and I wouldn't blame them. All these comments about how ordinary German people "should have" done this, that and the other are extremely easy for people in a different country and a different era to make.
And nazis weren't all German - the dude who headed it was actually Austrian...

Wolverine_1999 wrote: »

I think the initial comments and many throughout are a ****en disgrace to the Irish people, and just show that Ireland is just a racist begrudged society with nothing substantial to warrant the comments or the meanings behind them.

To be honest, you're doing the same thing. The moronic sentiment on this thread doesn't mean Ireland is a racist begrudged society. You can be sure though there are Germans who are a lot more decent than some of the ignoramuses here...

charlemont

Mickey H wrote: »

Dear Gunther

Why don't you go outside and play hide and go f**k yourself.

Thanks a million
Regards
Republic Of Ireland

I'm sure he is trembling in his jackboots.

This thread has just further proved that this island has an above average of undereducated thicko's. Ireland should be kicked out of the EU, All our brightest and best would soon emigrate too and the Germans could piss themselves laughing as the island drowns, Talk about being smacked around by the EU, I'm sure these same people were lining up to take the subsidies and structural funds in the 70's 80's and 90's. Lots of people are just sick now being tied down with their vastly overpriced mortgages, ****ty job prospects etc so lets just take it out on Europe instead considering we voted in the idiots that almost single-handedly brought down the Euro, The Euro didn't screw our standard of living, our own politicians and greedy businessmen did. I didn't even see this level of uproar over the church and the abuse revelations. Ye loved Bertie to bits and now the Chickens came home to roost.

Yahew

charlemont wrote: »

I'm sure he is trembling in his jackboots.

This thread has just further proved that this island has an above average of undereducated thicko's. Ireland should be kicked out of the EU, All our brightest and best would soon emigrate too and the Germans could piss themselves laughing as the island drowns, Talk about being smacked around by the EU, I'm sure these same people were lining up to take the subsidies and structural funds in the 70's 80's and 90's. Lots of people are just sick now being tied down with their vastly overpriced mortgages, ****ty job prospects etc so lets just take it out on Europe instead considering we voted in the idiots that almost single-handedly brought down the Euro, The Euro didn't screw our standard of living, our own politicians and greedy businessmen did. I didn't even see this level of uproar over the church and the abuse revelations. Ye loved Bertie to bits and now the Chickens came home to roost.

Jesus wept, what an inarticulate, ugly, and badly formed rant.

A new low.

meglome

nice_very wrote: »

"Greece are about to default..."

yay, that means we are (hopefully) next..... bye bye euro, welcome back punt

the USE (united states of europe) is no more, it has not and will not work, single currency has failed, "lisbon" was/is a joke


I really hope our little country will end up with the power to take down europe and the euro, lets see who wants us to fly our national flag at half mast then

Riiiigggghhhttt. You want a worthless currency and a country that will be in the financial toilet without the means to crawl out of the shít. I really don't know where to start there's so much wrong with what you said.

Yahew wrote: »

Jesus wept, what an inarticulate, ugly, and badly formed rant.

A new low.

I dunno his rant makes some good points.

Fozzydog3

Biggins wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/germanys-eu-commissioner-wants-irish-flag-flown-at-half-mast-225071-Sep2011/

In other words, he wants to shame Ireland and stick our imposed shame on a pole so that others can see it.
He wants to humilate us (and others) it looks like, to me! :mad:

With all due respect to the rest of all good and better German people - this guy is an utter gobschite!
If he wants to do something with an Irish flag pole - he should try shoving it up his ass! :mad:

Have they not done enough to them around 1939 ? And how will they pick Him/Her ?

Sam Vimes

AdamD wrote: »

Damn Irish people for not wanting to get smacked around by Europe. Lets just take the ridiculous interest rates on a 'bailout deal' despite standard IMF bailouts being far lower.

http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/european-commission-reduces-margin-on-irish-bailout-to-zero-226096-Sep2011/

THE EUROPEAN COMMISSION has this morning confirmed it is to reduce the interest rate charged on its third of Ireland’s bailout loans – saying the change will apply to money Ireland has already drawn down as well as any future borrowing.

The Commission says it is cutting the interest rate on its €22.5bn of loans, which Ireland has taken from its European Financial Stability Mechanism, down to 2.59 per cent – which is exactly equal to the interest rate the EU pays to borrow the money it then passes on to Ireland.

The cut means that the European Commission is now making zero gains on its loans to Ireland – and means Ireland will pay less interest than it first thought on the cash it has already taken from the Commission.

Yahew

meglome wrote: »

Riiiigggghhhttt. You want a worthless currency and a country that will be in the financial toilet without the means to crawl out of the shít. I really don't know where to start there's so much wrong with what you said.


I dunno his rant makes some good points.

It was a bit over-wrought.

teol

Sam Vimes wrote: »

http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/european-commission-reduces-margin-on-irish-bailout-to-zero-226096-Sep2011/

We are still paying an interest rate to bail out German banks. If/when Greece defaults you will see a line of German and French banks going to the wall. The Europeans are not doing us a favour!!!

Snakeblood

teol wrote: »

We are still paying an interest rate to bail out German banks. If/when Greece defaults you will see a line of German and French banks going to the wall. The Europeans are not doing us a favour!!!

When those banks go to the wall, we go to the wall too though. We're running a 17 billion yearly deficit, without counting the bank debts. IF we can't borrow money, where do we get 17 billion a year from?

Orando Broom

Snakeblood wrote: »

When those banks go to the wall, we go to the wall too though. We're running a 17 billion yearly deficit, without counting the bank debts. IF we can't borrow money, where do we get 17 billion a year from?

We can clear that €17bn. People forget that. Through a combination of cuts and tax over 4 or five years €17bn isn't insurmountable. We'd done similar before in the 80's (adjusting for inflation of course). It would be tough as all hell, we'd go through hell, but we'd keep going and get through it.

What has fücked us good looking it the €280bn we guaranteed for the banks. That was all German and French money. We put ourselves on the hook for all that. We can't pay that, not ever. It is the compelling reason to have Greece default. Then we're off the hook for that and it's Germany and France that eat the poo sandwich.

teol

Iceland burned the European banks and they are now paying less than us for their bonds.

http://www.bonds.is/MarketOverview.aspx?catID=1631&Type=Bond&OrderBookId=53175

Snakeblood

Orando Broom wrote: »

We can clear that €17bn. People forget that. Through a combination of cuts and tax over 4 or five years €17bn isn't insurmountable. We'd done similar before in the 80's (adjusting for inflation of course). It would be tough as all hell, we'd go through hell, but we'd keep going and get through it.

What has fücked us good looking it the €280bn we guaranteed for the banks. That was all German and French money. We put ourselves on the hook for all that. We can't pay that, not ever. It is the compelling reason to have Greece default. Then we're off the hook for that and it's Germany and France that eat the poo sandwich.

Yeah, but you are saying over the next few years. If the German banks go, the ECB will tell us to get f.ucked, and we'd be borrowing at 25% like the Greeks are under threat of if they go onto the market right now. So we'd be cutting 17 billion this year, we wouldn't be able to ramp down spending, we'd just cut the **** out of everything we could cut, and tax the **** out of everything we could tax. We've been taking money from the ECB for running costs already. If we hadn't, the cut necessary might be 20 billion over one year.

N.B. I think the blanket guarantee was a horrible idea, and I'm coming around to the idea that the ECB pushed us into it, but Ireland's bankers and government in the form of regulation **** the bed just as much as the profligate german lending did. More so. Personal responsibility and all that.

thebigbiffo

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Nonsense.

Drico wrote: »

If you are going to make statements like this, back them up with facts or run the risk of coming across like an incontinent gibbon. Hitler never got a majority of support from the German electorate. Indeed, he earned about 43% of the vote in the March 1933 elections that took him to power - which, interestingly, is a similar proportion of the vote that Bertie Ahern managed in the 2007 Irish elections. On these similar figures, did the "whole country" here also "buy into" Da Bert's ideas of lebensraum (you know, five bedroom piles in the suburbs)?

Drico.

Drico wrote: »

Intelligent people have a problem with Nazi comments that tarnish an entire people when ONE, SINGULAR, INDIVIDUAL German makes a fool of himself in public. Because one buffoon - considered a joke in Germany for years - embarrasses himself, this makes it open season on an entire people? That's why some people rightly get the hump and feel embarrassed that it takes only one German idiot to show up so many Irish ones.

The Germans are a marvelous people. They've faced up to their history. If only we could face up to ours...

Drico.

thebigbiffo wrote: »

It's been fairly widely noted that the idea that the average German didn't know the extent of the genocide is false - the vast majority knew very well (professor JJ Lee of UCC for example, and he cites more sources). But obviously the wider public downplayed the extent to which they knew after the war - makes perfect sense. The other thing being however that the 'west' also had a fairly good idea what was going on. The anti-semetic elements of Nazi doctrine and WW2 were at best barely noted and at worst completely ignored by the allies – they certainly had nothing to do with them entering the war, no matter how much we’ve come to believe the US especially was on some great crusade to liberate the jews. Anti-semitism was not only a widely accepted part of Nazi ideology in Germany while they were being elected and was prob a significant factor in them being voted in, it was also very prominent in the west – Limerick pogrom anyone? It was only after the systematic and industrial nature of the genocide came to light that the allies jumped on the bandwagon of disgust. Lets not forget either that it was France/UK who declared war on Germany and Germany who declared war on the US – it wasn’t the other way around.

In short – I think the Germans should still feel shame for what their grandparents did. If my grandfather was a British informer during the fight for independence here I’d feel it, and this is a lot worse. And the general populace over there bemoaning the fact that they’re bailing out other economies is misguided – their banks and economies made money lending the money so it should be on their heads – pretty much the exact reverse of our situation.

i do agree the Germans are a great 'race' - but the amount of revisionism that's went on as regards how little the people knew is pure b'ollox. of course the people knew, and agreed with it for the most part. as above, most of europe didn't give a flying f'uck about the jews either until they could take the moral high ground.

again, in the context of a German politician trying to humiliate an entire country - he'd need to look not far into the past to find a reason for his own people to feel shame. and that's a fair statement.

Run_to_da_hills

Bambi wrote: »

We should change our flag to this, that'll soften his cough


http://cdn.mqstatic.com/files/truthcontrol/imagecache/page/images/1440.jpg


"****ing Germans. Nothing changes. ****ing Nazis"

Walther Sobchek

This flag is even more appropriate.

http://i54.tinypic.com/9h4843.jpg

Sam Vimes

teol wrote: »

We are still paying an interest rate to bail out German banks. If/when Greece defaults you will see a line of German and French banks going to the wall. The Europeans are not doing us a favour!!!

That wasn't really the point being made. We're now borrowing money at the same interest rate as the EU. So we're not "getting smacked by the EU and paying ridiculous interest rates on a 'bailout deal' despite standard IMF bailouts being far lower"

Sam Vimes

Sam Vimes wrote: »

That wasn't really the point being made. We're now borrowing money at the same interest rate as the EU. So we're not "getting smacked by the EU and paying ridiculous interest rates on a 'bailout deal' despite standard IMF bailouts being far lower"

When I posted that I wasn't aware of the changes made just a few hours previously. My fault.

steddyeddy

Fuhrer wrote: »

Heres a proposal.


All the flags of countries that tried to commit genocide should also be flown at half mast.

Indeed mein fuhrer Germany just wishes it was shamed based on its economy and not something called the holocaust.

steddyeddy

thebigbiffo wrote: »

i do agree the Germans are a great 'race' - but the amount of revisionism that's went on as regards how little the people knew is pure b'ollox. of course the people knew, and agreed with it for the most part. as above, most of europe didn't give a flying f'uck about the jews either until they could take the moral high ground.

again, in the context of a German politician trying to humiliate an entire country - he'd need to look not far into the past to find a reason for his own people to feel shame. and that's a fair statement.

A friend of my mothers was a polish immigrant who was in a concentration camp he wasnt jewish so he was possibly a kappo (who werent a nice bunch some of the time) but he seemed a nice man Anyway basically his view of the after war "Oh my god I didnt know that was happening the jews ect" Is horse sh1t and he had no problem telling germans the same.

Maybe they didnt know about the gas chambers (considering not all jews knew about the chambers even the ones in the camps) but the level of anti semitisim that continued after the war didnt help their case either. Oscar schindler and other people like him who helped jews were spat at on the streets and called jew lover and as a result many left germany.

Now dont get me wrong I love germany the country and the german people but I dont accept that only a few contributed to the holocaust either directly or through anti semitism. I would say the same thing if someone said theres no such thing as a racist Irish man ect.