Do protestors have jobs?

MungBean

donalg1 wrote: »

They only protest cause they got nothing better to do, gives em a sense of purpose if they were employable they wouldn't bother with protest they'd go to work instead

Your straying into generalisation again. Who's they ? The previous post yo yours referenced a socialist student who has attended some protests. Are we still talking about activists/anarchists here or are you lumping all protesters together again ?

SafeSurfer

donalg1 wrote: »

They only protest cause they got nothing better to do, gives em a sense of purpose if they were employable they wouldn't bother with protest they'd go to work instead

What do you think people are, worker ants?

Is the only function of humans to work if they are lucky enough to have a job and never question the system or conditions in which they live and work?

If you have a grievence at work do you just keep your head down and keep working? What if your wages are cut by a quarter, a half? Of course you wouldn't protest you would continue working and look down on anyone who protests instead, right?

joela

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You mean people like Rosa Parks?

Lech Walesa

Mohamed Ali

Ceasr Chazez

John Hume

and all of these

http://www.topyaps.com/top-10-famous-protests/

Why does it matter to you if people who wish to change the staus quo are in employmrnt or not?

All slightly different protestors than those I am referring to and I think you know that. Rosa Parks lost her job because of that day on the bus, those are world altering events. The activists I am referrring to seem to jump from protest to protest.

It does matter if they are unemployed and claiming social welfare, if you are going to campaign against aspects of the state you live in then you can't expect to be paid for it out of state coffers. Just because I work and don't go out protesting for every single incident doesn't mean I am not an actively concerned citizen. There are many ways to express your disatisfaction with a system, I personally don't believe you have the right to challenge that system if you refuse to be a responsible, fair, contributing member.

joela

Ah but here is a nice juicy topic, has socialism ever really worked and is a socialist society likely to work somewhere like Ireland?

MungBean

joela wrote: »

Ah but here is a nice juicy topic, has socialism ever really worked and is a socialist society likely to work somewhere like Ireland?

Been done to death. Answer is most people dont even know what socialism is and will point to Soviet Russia as a great example of why it will never work.

That question leads nowhere.

jill_valentine

I've attended a lot of protests. I work and study, so to be honest, my "activism" such as it is, is largely relegated to weekends and summertime now, if it's something substantial, I might shuffle a shift around with a workmate.

I do find it deeply disheartening to see protest after protest hijacked by "professional activists". Dilutes any use any protest might have.

PseudoFamous

Oranage2 wrote: »

That or student fees and you can put your bottom dollar on it that lazy students dont work!

I'd say I probably work a helluva lot harder than you do, as a "lazy student". I'll bet you don't have a 62-68 hour week to do due to living 80km away from your work or study because you can't afford to live nearer (Due to fees, surprisingly). I'll bet you don't get up at 6am to be back at 9pm. I also have homework, study and assignments to do, adding many hours to that figure.

I'd appreciate you to not make such sweeping generalisations, thanks.

SafeSurfer

joela wrote: »

All slightly different protestors than those I am referring to and I think you know that. Rosa Parks lost her job because of that day on the bus, those are world altering events. The activists I am referrring to seem to jump from protest to protest.

It does matter if they are unemployed and claiming social welfare, if you are going to campaign against aspects of the state you live in then you can't expect to be paid for it out of state coffers. Just because I work and don't go out protesting for every single incident doesn't mean I am not an actively concerned citizen. There are many ways to express your disatisfaction with a system, I personally don't believe you have the right to challenge that system if you refuse to be a responsible, fair, contributing member.

Why does it matter if protesters are unemployed or claiming social welfare?

Or retired or disabled or gay or whatever.

Do you think that only taxpayers, those who contribute have a right to protest?

Why not limit the right to vote to those earning over 100,000, those that really make a contribution?

Or limit the franchise to property and business owners?

Is this where your argument is going?

Zebra3

joela wrote: »

The activists I am referrring to seem to jump from protest to protest.

Can you give us one real example of this happening?

MadsL

Consider the lillies...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9czBBKof7Yo

Richard Hillman

They have part time jobs at Placards-R-Us. Protests are just a corporate ploy for the placard making industry.

Pete M.

joela wrote: »

Ah but here is a nice juicy topic, has socialism ever really worked and is a socialist society likely to work somewhere like Ireland?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba

Ok so it ain't so hot here and we don't have a Fidel.

Your jibes about us protesters ain't gonna keep us brothers down you know :cool:

Just because you don't give a sh1t doesn't mean lots of folks don't.

I have a job. I protest.

I protest because lots of people don't have jobs and because corporate welfare has indebted us all.

I'm also an 'activist' and spend quite a lot of my time devoted to the cause.


I don't agree with the way in which society is currently run.
So I'm trying to do something about it. Problem?

donalg1

SafeSurfer wrote: »

What do you think people are, worker ants?

Is the only function of humans to work if they are lucky enough to have a job and never question the system or conditions in which they live and work?

If you have a grievence at work do you just keep your head down and keep working? What if your wages are cut by a quarter, a half? Of course you wouldn't protest you would continue working and look down on anyone who protests instead, right?

Exactly, because at the end of it all what does protesting actually achieve, i work for a firm and they decide to cut my wages by a quarter, they do it and I protest but my next pay packet will still be a quarter less regardless of any protest i may hold, if they were worried or swayed by protests they wouldnt cut em in the first place.

Sonnenblumen

Yeah they have jobs - sponsored assholes usually.:(

fat__tony

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I had to laugh at one of the Dale Farm protesters who while giving an interview referred to his occupation as 'Professional Activist'.

I would have thought that 'Professional Oxygen Thief' would be more appropriate.

TheyKnowMyIP

Socialist loonies with real jobs? Don't make me laugh.

Logical Fallacy

joela wrote: »

Other than protesting about things? I would love to take off and shout slogans, ok that was a lie, but I would love to skive off work except I'd have no money. However the obstacle I can't overcome is the job bit, no matter how much I try to persuade my boss that it is imperative for me to go and live in a yurt.

So again, do protestors who seem to appear at every available protest and campaign for every perceived wrong have jobs? If they have jobs then I want the ones they have got and if they haven't got jobs then are they claiming social welfare? If they are claiming social welfare shouldn't they be showing that they are actively seeking employment? If they are actively seeking employment then how come they are off chanting slogans and living in yurts for weeks, months and years? If they are not actively seeking employment shouldn't they be the very people that the social welfare system targets for benefit fraud? If you protest against every facet of the system isn't it then somehow hypocritical and wrong that you take money from the coffers of the system?

Just wondering like.......................

If you moan about having a job so much...why not quit?

****ing moaners.

TheyKnowMyIP

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

If you moan about having a job so much...why not quit?

****ing moaners.

Quitting is for losers and socialists.

Logical Fallacy

TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »

Quitting is for losers and socialists.

Technically socialists never got started...so calling them quitters is an insult to people who give stuff up.

powerplant

Slightly hypocritical OP, since yer farting about on boards like the rest of us.

MungBean

TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »

Quitting is for losers and socialists.

Keep going you'll eventually get a bite.

landsleaving

Oddjob wrote: »

No, they're generally wasters who will protest about any old bollocks.

Like Richard Boyd Barrett.

Richard Boyd Barrett... the TD? Yeah, total waster, it's easy to get into politics and get elected anyway.

Sure all he does is sit in the dail all day and have a bit of a protest every second weekend. Lazy git.

*Be advised, sarcasm detectors may be in danger of overloading*

landsleaving

TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »

Socialist loonies with real jobs? Don't make me laugh.

Where's Pauleta these days? He's better at this.

MungBean

landsleaving wrote: »

Richard Boyd Barrett... the TD? Yeah, total waster, it's easy to get into politics and get elected anyway.

Sure all he does is sit in the dail all day and have a bit of a protest every second weekend. Lazy git.

*Be advised, sarcasm detectors may be in danger of overloading*

I find it interesting that Boyd Barrett would be related to unemployed wasters faster than other TD's. Despite Boyd Barrett being one of the few TD's that isnt trying to do the state for every penny he can.

People are quick to link socialism to unemployment and benefit "fraud". But how is politicians on 100-200k a year claiming everything they possibly can from the state for expenses, secretaries, phone calls and a litany of other things to ensure the personally profit as much as possible any different than a citizen doing the same thing when on welfare ?

Bergkamp 10

I love how people abuse and mock anyone with socialistic viewpoints or continue to embarrass themselves with the phrase , "left wing loons", are also the people who day in day out cry and whinge about Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael and Labour and everything else.

How about you make up your minds?

sensibleken

Your absolutely right

SHUT UP! BE HAPPY!
CONTENTMENT IS NOW ENFORCEABLE BY LAW.

Oranage2

PseudoFamous wrote: »

I'd say I probably work a helluva lot harder than you do, as a "lazy student". I'll bet you don't have a 62-68 hour week to do due to living 80km away from your work or study because you can't afford to live nearer (Due to fees, surprisingly). I'll bet you don't get up at 6am to be back at 9pm. I also have homework, study and assignments to do, adding many hours to that figure.

I'd appreciate you to not make such sweeping generalisations, thanks.

It's not really work is it your not getting paid par se, and I'd appreciate if you thanked me for affording you the luxary of college since its my taxes that cover you're grant and college fees.

Gee Bag

There was a lad on Hunger Strike outside the Dail a couple of years ago because he wanted an enquiry into something ot other. More than once when I walked by him when he was having a cup of tea and a kit-kat!!!!!!

sensibleken

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's not really work is it your not getting paid par se, and I'd appreciate if you thanked me for affording you the luxary of college since its my taxes that cover you're grant and college fees.

no it isnt. Its mine, and he's welcome to it if it means people will be sufficently educated in the difference between work and employment.

Oranage2

sensibleken wrote: »

no it isnt. Its mine, and he's welcome to it if it means people will be sufficently educated in the difference between work and employment.

My 4 year old nephew does about 20-30 hours a week - education cant be that hard -

Anyway most college courses are a joke these days basically just glorified colouring in and doing jig saws.