Boards Keeper League

fisgon

malistheman wrote: »

I was GM last season, league is reactivated.

However I'm in mixed minds about the best solution going forward. With a good few leaving I think starting afresh might be an idea worth considering.

We'll have to get a few new names on board and I think it's always going to be difficult to get commitment in a keeper league from new entrants taking on teams that have been around for a while and managed by different players.

Couldn't we just go on this year with however many players we have left? Say there are twelve back from last year, that seems like a good number to me for a keeper league. We already have sixteen team leagues in the main Boards leagues, why not go on with a reduced number?

And if teams are not continuing, we throw back all their players into the pot.

Raoul

fisgon wrote: »

Couldn't we just go on this year with however many players we have left? Say there are twelve back from last year, that seems like a good number to me for a keeper league. We already have sixteen team leagues in the main Boards leagues, why not go on with a reduced number?

And if teams are not continuing, we throw back all their players into the pot.

What happens their players? Back into the player pool?

GoldFour4

Raoul wrote: »

What happens their players? Back into the player pool?

Yeah back into the player pool I'd imagine. Other difficulty is that future picks were traded under a 16 man system. See below. I'm sure the system would sort this out itself though.

http://fantasy.nfl.com/league/485946/draftpicks

gerryfed

But if you throw 4 teams back into the player pool, it dilutes the quality of peoples keepers. A guy who is great value as a 4th round keeper in a 16 team is very different to a 4th round keeper in a 12 team, no?

fisgon

gerryfed wrote: »

But if you throw 4 teams back into the player pool, it dilutes the quality of peoples keepers. A guy who is great value as a 4th round keeper in a 16 team is very different to a 4th round keeper in a 12 team, no?

But nobody has chosen keepers yet. If a player is not a good value keeper, then don't keep him. You are not required to keep 4 players, it is just an option.

And, yes, as I said above, if owners are dropping out we throw their players back into the pool. It will mean that the first and second rounds will have a lot of decent players in the draft.

Mr. Guappa

I'd be for trying to keep it as a 16-teamer if at all possible.

As regards the trading of picks. I've no problem with what happened last year, all above board and within the rules. To balance it out in future years you could either only have picks from say, round 8 onwards as tradeable, or alternatively, you can only trade picks for rounds later than the week you are in. So in week 7, you can trade picks 7-15 only, week 8 you can trade picks 8-15 only.

Raoul

gerryfed wrote: »

But if you throw 4 teams back into the player pool, it dilutes the quality of peoples keepers. A guy who is great value as a 4th round keeper in a 16 team is very different to a 4th round keeper in a 12 team, no?

I thought you were quitting?

gerryfed

Raoul wrote: »

I thought you were quitting?

Hmmm I think what I said was I would be 'discouraged from rejoining' and then I agreed with someone's reason for quitting.

But no worries too many moving parts at this stage with the talks of going from 16 to 12 too on top of the picks situation. Good luck with the season gents

Raoul

gerryfed wrote: »

Hmmm I think what I said was I would be 'discouraged from rejoining' and then I agreed with someone's reason for quitting.

But no worries too many moving parts at this stage with the talks of going from 16 to 12 too on top of the picks situation. Good luck with the season gents

Well...you can see why I thought you were leaving ha. If you were staying there wouldn't be so many moving parts as the move to 12 is only being talked about due to people leaving!

fisgon

What's the story with this league this year? Is it actually happening? We would need to decide on a few things - number in league, draft date - pretty soon if so......

GoldFour4

fisgon wrote: »

What's the story with this league this year? Is it actually happening? We would need to decide on a few things - number in league, draft date - pretty soon if so......

I've no idea tbh. It's either gonna be go with a smaller league or recruit new players for the lads who are out.

We'll have to decide by Sunday at the latest to allow time to recruit new players if necessary and get them set up.

Not gonna start a poll for this, let's just post our vote on the thread? Weekend seems a reasonable amount of time to respond?

My preference would be to recruit new players and keep it as a 16 team league.

Raoul

malistheman wrote: »

I've no idea tbh. It's either gonna be go with a smaller league or recruit new players for the lads who are out.

We'll have to decide by Sunday at the latest to allow time to recruit new players if necessary and get them set up.

Not gonna start a poll for this, let's just post our vote on the thread? Weekend seems a reasonable amount of time to respond?

My preference would be to recruit new players and keep it as a 16 team league.

How many do we have back?

GoldFour4

Boards name
Bizzy C IN
Raoul IN
Billr67 IN
gerryfed UNDECIDED?
Limpar OUT
Coeus IN
Figson IN
TaosHun IN
malistheman IN
boccy23 IN
Mr. Guappa IN
masked man IN
spongey1975 OUT
eagle eye OUT
onecoolcookie INACTIVE - BOOTED

GoldFour4

I'm missing one name from that list lads, can't figure out who it is at all, appear to have lost the tracker I had last year for this. It's not one of the people who joined last year.

GoldFour4

So to summarise the above

10 - Definitely back
3 -definitely out
1 Unknown (Gerryfed)
1 booted for being inactive (onecoolcookie - see previous posts during the season)
1 poster to be identified - let me know if I've left you out!


So we are looking for a minimum of 4 new players and potentially 6.

gerryfed

malistheman wrote: »

So to summarise the above

10 - Definitely back
3 -definitely out
1 Unknown (Gerryfed)
1 booted for being inactive (onecoolcookie - see previous posts during the season)
1 poster to be identified - let me know if I've left you out!


So we are looking for a minimum of 4 new players and potentially 6.

I'm out this year lads, sorry. Best of luck for the season

fisgon

malistheman wrote: »

So to summarise the above

10 - Definitely back
3  -definitely out
1 Unknown (Gerryfed)
1 booted for being inactive (onecoolcookie - see previous posts during the season)
1 poster to be identified - let me know if I've left you out!


So we are looking for a minimum of 4 new players and potentially 6.

I would say why not go ahead with a ten or twelve team league, if that is all we have? You could put a message on the main thread asking for new people, I got a lot for the PPR league that way very quickly. But if we only have 10, 12 or 14, why not go on with that number? There is no reason it has to be 16.

GoldFour4

fisgon wrote: »

I would say why not go ahead with a ten or twelve team league, if that is all we have? You could put a message on the main thread asking for new people, I got a lot for the PPR league that way very quickly. But if we only have 10, 12 or 14, why not go on with that number? There is no reason it has to be 16.

Yeah definitely an option. Could go with 12 person league.

Raoul

I would prefer if we could get the extra players back so that we don't have to mess about with the keepers. But whatever happens I would prefer the league to go ahead.

GoldFour4

Raoul wrote: »

I would prefer if we could get the extra players back so that we don't have to mess about with the keepers. But whatever happens I would prefer the league to go ahead.

Gonna look for new players now. Posting in main thread. Poll will go up tomorrow for the draft.

GoldFour4

malistheman wrote: »

Gonna look for new players now. Posting in main thread. Poll will go up tomorrow for the draft.

No interest received thus far. Will bump up again.

GoldFour4

Keeper league draft poll here

We're getting no response from the forum for rutherfordium's players so will have to proceed with 10. The poll for the draft is above. Leaving it open till Wednesday night. Need more engagement on the thread here, it's quite poor only 3/4 players making an effort with the league by the looks of it.

boccy23

There is a huge difference now if it is a 10 team league.

I do think that the messing around in recent years with the keeper fiasco and then the trading of picks has hurt the league.

I am in at the moment but we need to establish quickly what we do with the rules, i.e. are we agreeing on a number of keepers and is there is a mandatory number. Will we have a repeat of the shenanigans that went on before with where the keepers were allocated. What happens now to the picks which were traded? A fourth round pick in a 10 team (picks 31-40) is very different to a 16 team (49-64).

Raoul

boccy23 wrote: »

There is a huge difference now if it is a 10 team league.

I do think that the messing around in recent years with the keeper fiasco and then the trading of picks has hurt the league.

I am in at the moment but we need to establish quickly what we do with the rules, i.e. are we agreeing on a number of keepers and is there is a mandatory number. Will we have a repeat of the shenanigans that went on before with where the keepers were allocated. What happens now to the picks which were traded? A fourth round pick in a 10 team (picks 31-40) is very different to a 16 team (49-64).

What annoys me is that one of the guys that traded picks has left the league. So I don't even get those picks.

Should we just start a new league? There are going to be a whole load of new players in the first couple of rounds available.

eagle eye

There shouldn't be any draft pick trades in a keeper league. I had a big issue with this.

The league was set up wrong in the first place anyways. You should be able to keep a lot more than four players which would make it a hell of a lot more interesting.

The idea of a keeper league is similar to dynasty in that it's about building up a powerful team through the draft over time.

I'm all for staying in if we are starting over.

billr67

Sounds good to me too, I doubt I'd keep anyone from my current squad anyway.

wong

I'd love in on the keeper league if it's starting fresh?

fisgon

Tbh, I think at this stage starting over would be the best thing, less messy. There have been a lot of changes.

I have no strong opinions about the rules, all options have pluses and minuses. If EE stays we may have enough for a 12 team at this stage?

GoldFour4

Yeah I reckon we might as well just start new tbh, we would be changing around a lot just for the sake of keeping 4 players for a few teams.

Eagle Eye, Wong are in and GerryFed has also expressed an interest via pm at returning again if starting fresh. We'd need another player to get back to even numbers.

Mr. Guappa

I'm in whatever the set-up is, but we really need to nail down the settings now.
- Trading of draft picks. I liked this element but it seems the consensus is to get rid?
- Number of keepers. I'd be for increasing this from 4, to maybe 8?
- Whatever the number of keepers, it is a mandatory figure, not a maximum.
- Completely fresh start.
- Any other matters of contention?

gerryfed

malistheman wrote: »

Yeah I reckon we might as well just start new tbh, we would be changing around a lot just for the sake of keeping 4 players for a few teams.

Eagle Eye, Wong are in and GerryFed has also expressed an interest via pm at returning again if starting fresh. We'd need another player to get back to even numbers.

As I said to malistheman, I already quit once so feel free to tell me to f*ck off haha Just seen you's might be starting from scratch with no trading picks, and I like how active everyone seems to be... that's pretty hard to find. I'm an annoyingly active owner/trader so an active league is big for me.

But if it's an odd number of guys, fire away and leave me out.

fisgon

If we keep 8 then that is practically a dynasty league, I think it is too much. I also don't think it should be mandatory. 
I am indifferent to trading draft picks.

eagle eye

A person shouldn't have to keep any player if they don't want to.

The idea of more keepers is so somebody who has done really well drafting doesn't lose out on any of their really good players, it also makes it more interesting because you have to decide if somebody who is maybe just in the double digits ranking wise is worth keeping.

GoldFour4

We are up to 14 players now for a new keeper league.

personally I'd be against the idea of it being mandatory to keep all your keepers.

Trading draft picks is a tricky one but I think ultimately I wouldn't mind it, its a strategy players can choose to pursue if they wish.

fisgon

Ok, because time is short, how about a compromise;

- trading of draft picks to be decided on in the first few weeks of the season - no-one is going to be making trades for a few weeks, I assume.

- keepers increased to a maximum of 6. You have to keep a minimum of 3.

We can then get on with setting draft time. The season starts in 8 days.

boccy23

fisgon wrote: »

Ok, because time is short, how about a compromise;

- trading of draft picks to be decided on in the first few weeks of the season - no-one is going to be making trades for a few weeks, I assume.

- keepers increased to a maximum of 6. You have to keep a minimum of 3.

We can then get on with setting draft time. The season starts in 8 days.

I agree with the above. Happy to go with this if we can ensure that nobody uses the loophole of putting their keepers at a lower point to have a first round pick.

I'll likely lose OBJ! Had since his rookie season and kept him even when he didn't play for the first 8 weeks.

Raoul

fisgon wrote: »

Ok, because time is short, how about a compromise;

- trading of draft picks to be decided on in the first few weeks of the season - no-one is going to be making trades for a few weeks, I assume.

- keepers increased to a maximum of 6. You have to keep a minimum of 3.

We can then get on with setting draft time. The season starts in 8 days.

No point deciding on this that late as there are lads holding the rest of us to ransom to either ban this or they leave the league.

I'm in whatever we decide but I would prefer that we don't have to keep any min number of players.

billr67

Agree with no minimum I haven't got 3 players I want to keep. Might stretch to one if I had too. Any chance we can draft Monday night (4th)? Cheeky I know but times a ticking!

boccy23

billr67 wrote: »

Agree with no minimum I haven't got 3 players I want to keep. Might stretch to one if I had too. Any chance we can draft Monday night (4th)? Cheeky I know but times a ticking!

I think the idea is to have a complete reset (i.e. new draft) so doesn't matter what you have now.

billr67

Great that's what I'd prefer.

GoldFour4

Can the guys who have agreed to play this year who haven't played yet please take the draft poll?

gerryfed

malistheman wrote: »

Can the guys who have agreed to play this year who haven't played yet please take the draft poll?

Done!

Can we get the final rules nailed down so? I would prefer:

- No trading picks
- Can keep as little as 0 or as many as 4 players
- Preferably in the rounds you drafted them (I thought this was the majority of keeper leagues worked?) rather then losing your 1st rounder for 1 player etc

Just thinking out loud anyways...

billr67

Done as well thanks for the reminder.

Raoul

gerryfed wrote: »

Done!

Can we get the final rules nailed down so? I would prefer:

- No trading picks
- Can keep as little as 0 or as many as 4 players
- Preferably in the rounds you drafted them (I thought this was the majority of keeper leagues worked?) rather then losing your 1st rounder for 1 player etc

Just thinking out loud anyways...

Nope, that isn't how most work. Usually if you want to keep 1 player and there are 4 keeper slots. You have to keep that player in the your first round slot.

gerryfed

Raoul wrote: »

Nope, that isn't how most work. Usually if you want to keep 1 player and there are 4 keeper slots. You have to keep that player in the your first round slot.

Ok Raoul, sincerest apologies! That is just how 'some' keeper leagues work.

I guess if you don't manage to draft studs, then you start from scratch every year. That's a shame for if you draft well late and get a Davante Adams in the 10th and he's the only guy you want to keep, cause obviously a 1st rounder is too rich...

GoldFour4

Looking like the draft will be Tuesday at 9. Will be in touch for emails this evening for the new league.

eagle eye

malistheman wrote: »

Looking like the draft will be Tuesday at 9. Will be in touch for emails this evening for the new league.

We can use the same league which will be a lot less hassle.

GoldFour4

eagle eye wrote: »

We can use the same league which will be a lot less hassle.

Yep that makes a lot more sense!

wong

gerryfed wrote: »

Ok Raoul, sincerest apologies! That is just how 'some' keeper leagues work.

I guess if you don't manage to draft studs, then you start from scratch every year. That's a shame for if you draft well late and get a Davante Adams in the 10th and he's the only guy you want to keep, cause obviously a 1st rounder is too rich...

I agree with gerry on this.

The rules I've been using for my own keeper league is no 1st rounders can be kept so they automatically go back into draft next year.

Players are kept a round earlier than when they are drafted the following year.
Waiver or free agent pickups cost an 8th rounder in the next draft.

billr67

Do we have a draft order for tomorrow night or is that random as it's a total redraft?