Boards Keeper League

malistheman wrote: »

I was GM last season, league is reactivated.

However I'm in mixed minds about the best solution going forward. With a good few leaving I think starting afresh might be an idea worth considering.

We'll have to get a few new names on board and I think it's always going to be difficult to get commitment in a keeper league from new entrants taking on teams that have been around for a while and managed by different players.

Couldn't we just go on this year with however many players we have left? Say there are twelve back from last year, that seems like a good number to me for a keeper league. We already have sixteen team leagues in the main Boards leagues, why not go on with a reduced number?

And if teams are not continuing, we throw back all their players into the pot.

gerryfed wrote: »

But if you throw 4 teams back into the player pool, it dilutes the quality of peoples keepers. A guy who is great value as a 4th round keeper in a 16 team is very different to a 4th round keeper in a 12 team, no?

But nobody has chosen keepers yet. If a player is not a good value keeper, then don't keep him. You are not required to keep 4 players, it is just an option.

And, yes, as I said above, if owners are dropping out we throw their players back into the pool. It will mean that the first and second rounds will have a lot of decent players in the draft.

gerryfed wrote: »

But if you throw 4 teams back into the player pool, it dilutes the quality of peoples keepers. A guy who is great value as a 4th round keeper in a 16 team is very different to a 4th round keeper in a 12 team, no?

I thought you were quitting?

gerryfed wrote: »

Hmmm I think what I said was I would be 'discouraged from rejoining' and then I agreed with someone's reason for quitting.

But no worries too many moving parts at this stage with the talks of going from 16 to 12 too on top of the picks situation. Good luck with the season gents

Well...you can see why I thought you were leaving ha. If you were staying there wouldn't be so many moving parts as the move to 12 is only being talked about due to people leaving!

malistheman wrote: »

So to summarise the above

10 - Definitely back
3  -definitely out
1 Unknown (Gerryfed)
1 booted for being inactive (onecoolcookie - see previous posts during the season)
1 poster to be identified - let me know if I've left you out!


So we are looking for a minimum of 4 new players and potentially 6.

I would say why not go ahead with a ten or twelve team league, if that is all we have? You could put a message on the main thread asking for new people, I got a lot for the PPR league that way very quickly. But if we only have 10, 12 or 14, why not go on with that number? There is no reason it has to be 16.

I would prefer if we could get the extra players back so that we don't have to mess about with the keepers. But whatever happens I would prefer the league to go ahead.

There is a huge difference now if it is a 10 team league.

I do think that the messing around in recent years with the keeper fiasco and then the trading of picks has hurt the league.

I am in at the moment but we need to establish quickly what we do with the rules, i.e. are we agreeing on a number of keepers and is there is a mandatory number. Will we have a repeat of the shenanigans that went on before with where the keepers were allocated. What happens now to the picks which were traded? A fourth round pick in a 10 team (picks 31-40) is very different to a 16 team (49-64).

There shouldn't be any draft pick trades in a keeper league. I had a big issue with this.

The league was set up wrong in the first place anyways. You should be able to keep a lot more than four players which would make it a hell of a lot more interesting.

The idea of a keeper league is similar to dynasty in that it's about building up a powerful team through the draft over time.

I'm all for staying in if we are starting over.

I'd love in on the keeper league if it's starting fresh?

malistheman wrote: »

Yeah I reckon we might as well just start new tbh, we would be changing around a lot just for the sake of keeping 4 players for a few teams.

Eagle Eye, Wong are in and GerryFed has also expressed an interest via pm at returning again if starting fresh. We'd need another player to get back to even numbers.

As I said to malistheman, I already quit once so feel free to tell me to f*ck off haha Just seen you's might be starting from scratch with no trading picks, and I like how active everyone seems to be... that's pretty hard to find. I'm an annoyingly active owner/trader so an active league is big for me.

But if it's an odd number of guys, fire away and leave me out.

A person shouldn't have to keep any player if they don't want to.

The idea of more keepers is so somebody who has done really well drafting doesn't lose out on any of their really good players, it also makes it more interesting because you have to decide if somebody who is maybe just in the double digits ranking wise is worth keeping.

Ok, because time is short, how about a compromise;

- trading of draft picks to be decided on in the first few weeks of the season - no-one is going to be making trades for a few weeks, I assume.

- keepers increased to a maximum of 6. You have to keep a minimum of 3.

We can then get on with setting draft time. The season starts in 8 days.

fisgon wrote: »

Ok, because time is short, how about a compromise;

- trading of draft picks to be decided on in the first few weeks of the season - no-one is going to be making trades for a few weeks, I assume.

- keepers increased to a maximum of 6. You have to keep a minimum of 3.

We can then get on with setting draft time. The season starts in 8 days.

No point deciding on this that late as there are lads holding the rest of us to ransom to either ban this or they leave the league.

I'm in whatever we decide but I would prefer that we don't have to keep any min number of players.

billr67 wrote: »

Agree with no minimum I haven't got 3 players I want to keep. Might stretch to one if I had too. Any chance we can draft Monday night (4th)? Cheeky I know but times a ticking!

I think the idea is to have a complete reset (i.e. new draft) so doesn't matter what you have now.

Raoul wrote: »

Nope, that isn't how most work. Usually if you want to keep 1 player and there are 4 keeper slots. You have to keep that player in the your first round slot.

Ok Raoul, sincerest apologies! That is just how 'some' keeper leagues work.

I guess if you don't manage to draft studs, then you start from scratch every year. That's a shame for if you draft well late and get a Davante Adams in the 10th and he's the only guy you want to keep, cause obviously a 1st rounder is too rich...

malistheman wrote: »

Looking like the draft will be Tuesday at 9. Will be in touch for emails this evening for the new league.

We can use the same league which will be a lot less hassle.

gerryfed wrote: »

Ok Raoul, sincerest apologies! That is just how 'some' keeper leagues work.

I guess if you don't manage to draft studs, then you start from scratch every year. That's a shame for if you draft well late and get a Davante Adams in the 10th and he's the only guy you want to keep, cause obviously a 1st rounder is too rich...

I agree with gerry on this.

The rules I've been using for my own keeper league is no 1st rounders can be kept so they automatically go back into draft next year.

Players are kept a round earlier than when they are drafted the following year.
Waiver or free agent pickups cost an 8th rounder in the next draft.