So now we know religeon doesn't exsist,what do you all think created us?

LighterGuy

Atheist thread is Atheist.

Cú Giobach

stupidusername wrote: »

Oh and thinking about all the millions of things that had to have happened for us to exist as we do now...it's just crazy

Get a deck of cards, shuffle them well, lay out all the cards face up in a row, now work out what the odd of the cards appearing in the order that you laid them out in are. Lets (for arguments sake) say those odds are 100,000,000/1.
Now stand back in amazement that this highly improbable thing at odds of 100,000,000/1 actually happened there in your house, right in front of your very eyes.
This is what people do every time they make a statement like the one quoted.

stupidusername

But its not just amazement at the fact that some random pointless event happened,it's that everything that had to happen to put us here,intelligent enough to understand this stuff even as well as we do,it all happened leading to what we have now.if any other sequence of events happened even slightly different we wouldn't be here.

stupidusername

strobe wrote: »

What's perfect? The humans running around being affected by cancer and viruses? How many people need glasses to correct their vision in their life times? You can't even attempt to procreate freely nowadays without running the risk of biological injury. Most environments on this planet alone will kill you in short thrift unless you do your utmost to prevent that. Even the Sun, ultimately the only input of energy into the system we have will **** you up willy nilly. Most of the surface of the Earth is water and uninhabitable to us. Most of that is full of salt and unfit for drinking. Wasps, wasps and ants fucking everywhere. Perfect? I'd give it a D+ if I was feeling particularly generous.

And that's just Earth.

Not inhabitable? And yet there's 7billion of us. The majority of the problems humans have have been caused by humans.that's a whole other conversation.

Cú Giobach

stupidusername wrote: »

But its not just amazement at the fact that some random pointless event happened,it's that everything that had to happen to put us here,intelligent enough to understand this stuff even as well as we do,it all happened leading to what we have now.if any other sequence of events happened even slightly different we wouldn't be here.

You are looking at an event that has already happened, understanding that the chances of that event happening are very small, and are therefore amazed that it actually happened, the analogy shows how this logic is skewed.

stupidusername

Cú Giobach wrote: »

You are looking at an event that has already happened, understanding that the chances of that event happening are very small, and are therefore amazed that it actually happened, the analogy shows how this logic is skewed.

If you can explain better why my logic is skewed i'd be interested.

Cú Giobach

stupidusername wrote: »

If you can explain better why my logic is skewed i'd be interested.

Ok, you could use this logic to me amazed at any number of things, for example reading the number plate of the first blue car you pass today, then going home working out the chances of the first blue car passing you actually having that number plate, then being amazed that the first blue car you passed today had that very number plate.
This is the exact same logic that is used when people say, we are here, the chances of us being here are so small that it is amazing that we are actually here.

stupidusername

Cú Giobach wrote: »

Ok, you could use this logic to me amazed at any number of things, for example reading the number plate of the first blue car you pass today, then going home working out the chances of the first blue car passing you actually having that number plate, then being amazed that the first blue car you passed today had that very number plate.
This is the exact same logic that is used when people say, we are here, the chances of us being here are so small that it is amazing that we are actually here.

But it's not the same at all.the odds of each are completely different.

Cú Giobach

stupidusername wrote: »

But it's not the same at all.the odds of each are completely different.

The actual odds are irrelevant, the use of the logic is the point.

nozzferrahhtoo

Ganymede Glow wrote: »

Its written all over ancient scripts and civilisations

Maybe if you wander out of the science fiction section next time into the rest of the book store.....

foxyboxer

If the observable universe as we know it began 14 billion years ago.
What was it like 100 trillion billion gagillion years ago? :pac:

nozzferrahhtoo

where do i go from here wrote: »

We created us.

We are a self aware component of the universe, therefore the universe is self aware.

I should start selling this sh1t:)

I think Deepak Chopora beat you to it.

foxyboxer

Gravity made us really.

nozzferrahhtoo

stupidusername wrote: »

But it's not the same at all.the odds of each are completely different.

Alas the people who claim the odds of us evolving are huge are being somewhat dishonest.

For example you could not tell me the odds of taking an ace of hearts out of a deck of cards if you did not first have the information on how many cards there are in a deck and how many of them are the Ace of Hearts.

Yet we are missing many more pieces of data than that about the formation and subsequent evolution of life. So I am not sure what numbers are even being used to declare what the odds are on such an event.

However the point made above by another user about the retrospective application of awe at an unlikely event is also worth noting. If you dealt 52 cards randomly out of a deck... the odds of getting the result you get are so amazing that you can not even calculate them on a standard calculator without crashing it.... usually after card 10, let alone card 52.

Retrospective awe at the probability of events is a failure in human thinking but alas one we are very much prone to.

foxyboxer

Bertie Ahern created us. :pac:

Put a football on the ground where you are. Now imagine a piece of corn 25 feet away. That's us. The football represents the sun. The nearest star in the universe (Proxima Centauri) would be another football....6,500km away.

:eek:

Now fill up a glass of water. There are more atoms in the water than there are glasses of water in the worlds oceans.

Double :eek: :eek:

sensibleken

You were all created in your dad's balls! Its disturbing information like that which led people to invent religion.

nozzferrahhtoo

foxyboxer wrote: »

Bertie Ahern created us. :pac:

I think you will find it was Demort Ahern