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Awesome kit and well organised, would certainly keep you comfy.
I have some comments, none critical
Sorry for long reply :eek:
Hygiene - Comprehensive kit, only comment is that some of the kit appears for long term (scissors and nail clippers) and others is short term deo etc. If you plan for short term maybe remove scissors and nail clippers as multi tools can do a half decent job.
If your interested long term look at deodorant stones, baking soda (lots of uses and already said), shaving stick and cut throat razor (nearly a lost art). All light and not "wet" based products.
I never go far without baby wipes;)
Fire - Again good comprehensive kit, I guess the gel is for your crusader cooking kit? (nice choice). See if you can swap your matches for swanvesta's and put them in a plastic tub, my experience of safety matches particularly in Ireland is that they can never trusted due to the damp. I always say more tinder but you have plenty of other items in your kit you could use.
I am more old school (my choice) and my kit is simpler, fire steel, matches (swanvesta & wind/waterproof), lighters (3 minimum) but I have LOTS more tinder. My tinder bag is full off cotton wool and small twigs, wood shavings, birch bark and steel wool its like a tinder cocktail as different tinder starts better in different conditions.
BTW - Your fire steel needs about another 1000 strikes to be efficient
Water Purification - GREAT gear, bottle tops is genius and I will add a couple in mine. How is the water bottle? I would maybe get another one to test in the field as in my experience anything that folds up (apart from platypus) usually splits.
I keen to hear more about your water testing kit, there is a huge science for testing water so much so that a comprehensive kit would fill your bergan plus with your filter and puri tabs you would be safe to purify even the most stagnant water.
BTW - A friend of mine gets 80+ gallons out of the frontier filters by pre-filtering using a lint cloth or using fast flowing water.
EMERGENCY SHELTER - To me some of this a over kill as you have a tarp and sleeping system, I am old school and use a military spec poncho and goretex bivi. Hand/body warmers just add weight and only give artificial heat IMO, they are at best a short term morale boost which in some scenarios are worth their weight in gold.
SIGNALING - Nice setup, never seen water dye is that more for sea?
MAIN COMPARTMENT - Bivi suit? Is this a bivi bag? Also what is a 3 in 1 jacket?
I use a berghus goretex jacket with zip in fleece, best kit ever and lasts years.
FIRST AID KIT Again very good but needs pain killers and or paracetamol, I use lemsip for morale boosting drink to kill pain or flu like symptoms (EDIT - just seen assorted pills, I assume pain killers, antihistamine etc). Also the packing should stand out that it is first aid in case you are alone and someone comes along to help.
Alcohol free wipes, alcohol wipes are also a good firelighter.
More triangular bandages would help, a broken leg in worst case scenario needs 5, you have a bandana that can be used so two more would be ideal.
Scissors, that 2 sets so far. Take one out your hygiene pack
BELT KIT - Nice setup but ice cleats immediately jump out as a luxury item for very limited situations.
Again hand warmers, you have gloves and if your hands are cold blow into your gloves.......much better than hand warmers and works with socks too (old army trick).
Food and brew kit? have some soup, tea/coffee and power bar/jerky small items. A mini 24hr pack should be the target.
SURVIVAL POUCH - First thing that jumps out to me is that there is nothing you can use as a cooking vessel. With a tin you can use that or put a folded up sheet of tin foil (1m or more).
Another firesteel would be handy in here.
Other comments
Foot powder & socks (3 pair minimum), very important to keep your feet dry and keep you going if your mobile. You would be surprised how quick trench foot starts and quickly slows you down as the pain is something else.
A few 6 inch nails for pegs in the shelter or belt kit.
Key rings - so many uses, triggers for traps, attaching torches to paracord lanyards
Clima therm vest - Under amour/helihansen, great kit and worth its weight in gold to have in the top of your bag
Fishing kit - say no more, a 10lb line with some assorted hooks, swivels and a wire trace will catch anything in fresh or sea water in ireland. The cost would be around €10.
Sun screen - I have sun screen combined with insect repellant as a stick
Lastly 30kg is around 70lbs, that is quite heavy. At my fittest I could carry ~80lbs 8 miles in around 4hrs cross country, . Now I am a old man my target is 45lbs ~20kg to give me the same distance but if your confident its a non issue.
Hygiene: Nail clippers and Scissors are handy long or short term (A comfort item) I was looking for shaving sticks but couldnt find any at the time As for a cut throat razor .....Ill grow a beard first lol:D
Fire:The gel is for the pattern 58 kit and its great to start a fire with wet tinder. I do have maya sticks that i plan on shaving down to use as tinder (when i get round to it) The fire steal is new and does need to be broken in a good bit
Water Purification: The water bottle is fine I use one in work rolled in a maxpedition dump pouch its not as strong as the platterpus but its holding its own for the moment
The water testing kit is very basic its 2 strips (like p strips in the doctors) and it tells you if the water has anything in it or not once you take it from the packaging its quarter of the size
The main thing i like about the Frontier is it can be screwed on to any bottle and away you go the military version comes with the water bladder attachment im nearly sure
Emergency Shelter: This is mainly for if i have to dump my main pack for some reason and travel lighter The poncho I have in my belt kit is ok but im going to change it to the heavy military ones The hand warmers and body warmers I like as the kevlar gloves i carry are crap for keeping you warm but they allow you to grab a knife or clear broken glass without ripping your hands
Signaling: The water dye is mostly used for at sea but its Ireland you never know
Main Compartment: A Bivvy suit is basically Thermal trousers and jacket also known as a softie suit see here http://www.ebay.ie/itm/EX-ARMY-MILITARY-SOFTIE-THERMAL-REVERSIBLE-TROUSERS-/190519269022?pt=UK_Men_s_Trousers&var=&hash=item72173b1ac0
3in1 jacket is the same as you have rain jacket with a fleece jacket inside
First aid kit: I do have pain killers ect.... in this kit
as for the 2nd scissors (ive 3 in total in the whole kit) In the words of our American friend 2 is 1 1 is none
The pouch has a glow in the dark medic patch on it
Belt Kit: The ice cleats weigh nothing and take up no room and id rather have them than end up on my backside :eek:
The 24hr kit i have on the belt i am going to break it down to snack food and drinks tea/coffee soup/oxo
Survival pouch: This is more extra bits i might need rather than going through my pack if i have this i have the rest of the belt kit as for something to cook boil water in thanks to the youth of today the country side is littered with beer cans so lots to choose from
Other comments: Forgot about the foot powder I think ive 5 pairs of socks in total in the kit
Must add nails always handy and forgot my knife sharpener
Ive the under Armour stuff in with the change of clothes
Fishing kit: Ill get one Ill get one
Sun screen: is a must add
Weight: At the moment im happy enough with the weight but 30kg is the max it will be if i add more to it over time ill be removing other items to keep it at 30kg0 -
Remind me in 6 months when im doing a date check on my kit lolbaords dyslexic wrote: »@ grapeape, as if you haven't doen enough already and you've given us a total wieght but next time you have all the kit out could you wiegh the indiviual packs so we have some idea how the wiegth adds up.
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Always have my eye on the local pound shop (now the €2 shop) and while buying some cheap LED touches spotted these little lighters 6 for €2 of course - brand if anyone goes looking for the same is €uroGeneral.
A size comparison with the "std" Lidl disposable
My theory is small stuff like these lighters either allow you to have more stuff packed up ready to go or less weight. In particular I feel survival tins can benefit from items like this especially when they work out at 33cents each.
Now I'm not going to be relying long term on a lighters like these (they won't last for ever for a start) but as short term get out of trouble items I see them as €2 well spent.
While I'm thinking about it I might stick one in each FAK as well as they are always useful to heat sterilise needle for dealing with blisters.0 -
These can also be refilledbaords dyslexic wrote: »Always have my eye on the local pound shop (now the €2 shop) and while buying some cheap LED touches spotted these little lighters 6 for €2 of course - brand if anyone goes looking for the same is €uroGeneral.
A size comparison with the "std" Lidl disposable
My theory is small stuff like these lighters either allow you to have more stuff packed up ready to go or less weight. In particular I feel survival tins can benefit from items like this especially when they work out at 33cents each.
Now I'm not going to be relying long term on a lighters like these (they won't last for ever for a start) but as short term get out of trouble items I see them as €2 well spent.
While I'm thinking about it I might stick one in each FAK as well as they are always useful to heat sterilise needle for dealing with blisters.0 -
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Now it can be replaced for 33cents but if SHTF how much will it cost then Ive picked them up and im a smoker got about a month regular use out of one of these and on my 3rd refill of the same one want to see how long the electric start last on it or how long before i loose itbaords dyslexic wrote: »I was going to mention that but wasn't sure many people would be bothering to refill a lighter that can be replaced for 33cents?
All the same I'm going to buy a can of gas and try
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Now it can be replaced for 33cents but if SHTF how much will it cost then Ive picked them up and im a smoker got about a month regular use out of one of these and on my 3rd refill of the same one want to see how long the electric start last on it or how long before i loose it
Just wondering if you can get more gas in them when you refill them than they come with new?0 -
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Items: GBP 5.98
Postage & Packing: GBP 6.00
Order Total: GBP 11.98
(Payment Total: EUR 15,51**)
That's a real shame as the price is good.
I took that into account when I didn't order them but thought someone might still be interested and it gives a brand name and other details if anyone wants to search the net for another supplier.
Edit> Manufacture is here but guess they only sell by the pallet load (1320units) but again a useful link as if you look around the site you'll find some other ration packs that might be worth searching out.
Its a little better for 10 from amazon
Items: £59.80
Postage & Packing: £19.47
Order Total: £79.27
So more like 10 or 11 euro a pack..... has me thinking0 -
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Just a quick up date on this I bought a nokia 3310 for my bag but when i took my meteor sim card out of my HTC wildfire and put it in to the 3310 it wouldnt work i tried an o2 and vodafone sim and neither worked so i asked in the local carphone warehouse and was informed that new sim cards are 3g the old nokia 3310 is 2g so the sims wont workI agree the price is a bit high at the moment hopefully it will come down abit as you say a cheap 2nd hand nokia and a AA emergency charger would only cost about €30 to €35
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Just a quick up date on this I bought a nokia 3310 for my bag but when i took my meteor sim card out of my HTC wildfire and put it in to the 3310 it wouldnt work i tried an o2 and vodafone sim and neither worked so i asked in the local carphone warehouse and was informed that new sim cards are 3g the old nokia 3310 is 2g so the sims wont work
Good thing you tested it out first. There is an important lesson there for everyone.0 -
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Sorry if this has been asked before.
How are people approaching the weapons issue. Obviously in Ireland we cant get our hands readily on firearms - can anyone suggest a reasonable alternative.
I've a hunting knife, and a bow. Any other suggestions that Ive over looked?
Cojack101
Your mind. Any object can be used as an adapted weapon.
A walking stick, hiking pole, sling shot & catapult.
Your sock with a stone can become a makeshift mace.
A bootlace a garrote.
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Rhinocharge wrote: »Your mind. Any object can be used as an adapted weapon.
A walking stick, hiking pole, sling shot & catapult.
Your sock with a stone can become a makeshift mace.
A bootlace a garrote.
You get my drift.
I'd prefer to avoid close quarters if possible. I'm a strong guy, and I'm pretty sure I'd win, but no one comes away from hand to hand uninjured. If I break a finger, get a concussion or a laceration - septicemia or fever would seriously lower my chances, even with the antibiotics I have stocked.
I'm thinking taking up hunting and having a rifle, even a .22 would be my best option. I'd rather intimate and discourage confrontation than risk having to hold up with shock or infection.0 -
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I'll drag this old thread up again as my post doesn't really warrant a thread on its own.
Just added some cheap folding knives to our BOB's, nothing special, photos below and at €2.99 they are never going to be that great. I've no intention that they should replace a "real" knife but they are a cheap way of putting a sharp blade at low cost and low weight into a BOB that hopefully will never be used. They also have the safety of being lock blades and can be easily opened single handed. Probably use once or twice then throw away but better than no knife at all if you are really stuck.
Later on if I replace any better knives with decent blades I can retire the old ones to the BOB's and chuck out these cheap ones.
Handles on these cheap knives are plastic and the blades are marked Stainless Steel not that that means much.
If you want to find these they were in the big hardware/builders merchants in Dungarvan on the counter, I suspect anywhere that has a good range of tools might have them.0 -
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