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Garda Immigration to replaced by Civil Servants

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  • #122
    Delancey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭Delancey


    veetwin wrote: »
    Well you are an ES Mod and really should know better than to be spouting nonsense like this.

    Be that as it may I have as much right to post as anyone else , my moderator staus is immaterial as this is not a forum I moderate.

    1. Do you really believe that Gardai on passport control duty were getting over €100 a day more than every other Garda?

    Absolutely , the exact amount I cannot recall but there was a very generous allowance in place. This arose because the Airport was not classed as a ' usual place of work ' (i.e. a Garda Station )

    2. From your post you suggest that they were causing delays by checking every single passport. What do you suggest they do? Is it not their job to check every single passport? Are you suggesting that they not check everyone so that there will be no queues.

    I never suggested that. I did make the observation that queues and delays rose dramatically following the cut to allowances. Anyone who worked at the airport at the time will tell you that.

    3. Are you suggesting that Gardai made illegal arrests as part of their "work-to-rule" ? Americans are refused regularly. It's just most of them don't get to talk to Joe Duffy.

    Who mentioned arrests ? All I said was they were denied entry.

    4. Do you really think if a Garda complains he will simply be transferred against his will?
    Nope . What I am saying is that the go slow / work to rule by immigration officers has probably sealed their fate in the long term and now we are seeing the 1st phase of that change.


  • #123
    veetwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭veetwin


    Delancey wrote: »
    Nope . What I am saying is that the go slow / work to rule by immigration officers has probably sealed their fate in the long term and now we are seeing the 1st phase of that change.

    Well then I suggest you are wrong. Immigration is being civilianised because a major shortage of Gardai due to the recruitment embargo. Contrary to popular belief/conspirisy theorists ect nobody is being transferred against their will.

    With regard to the allowance you are also wrong. It was approx €28 per day. It was reduced to about half that.

    Delays arose a number of years ago because the Gardai decided not to do overtime. This obviously highlighted the staff shortages.

    With regard to your 3rd point if a person is denied entry then by default their liberty is deprived and they are under arrest.


  • #124
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    With regard to your 3rd point if a person is denied entry then by default their liberty is deprived and they are under arrest.
    Incorrect. They are free to leave on the next available flight.


  • #125
    veetwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭veetwin


    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    Incorrect. They are free to leave on the next available flight.

    Incorrect. They are under arrest and ordinarily escorted onto the plane.


  • #126
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,932 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    bluetop wrote: »
    Plus the Country is broke so a saving made is what they are looking for, plus as one poster said they have Airport Police to deal with things in the Airport, let them do their job.
    I have noticed over the last couple of weeks lights etc been turned off at stations unlike before they would all be left on, signs of the times savings having to be made all over. !

    What about at the Border, Border bus checks, border train checks ?
    There are no gardai on the trains or buses you know.


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  • #127
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    veetwin wrote: »
    Incorrect. They are under arrest and ordinarily escorted onto the plane.
    Under what charge?


  • #128
    parsi
    Site Banned Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭parsi


    Eru wrote: »
    You can voluntarily go into a cell as well and goldie knows well i am a serving garda, hes just being smart.

    I don't think you do - you can go quietly or dragged but you don't have a choice.


  • #129
    veetwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭veetwin


    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    Under what charge?

    Under the powers afforded by Immigration Act 2003

    (3) (a) A person arrested and detained under this section may, subject to subsection (4), be detained only until such time (being as soon as practicable) as he or she is removed from the State in accordance with this section but, in any event, may not be detained for a period exceeding 8 weeks in aggregate.


  • #130
    veetwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭veetwin


    tayto lover wrote: »
    What about at the Border, Border bus checks, border train checks ?
    There are no gardai on the trains or buses you know.

    Incorrect. There is an Immigration Unit in Dundalk which regularly checks trains, buses and cars.


  • #131
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,932 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    veetwin wrote: »
    Incorrect. There is an Immigration Unit in Dundalk which regularly checks trains, buses and cars.

    Yes but if they are replaced by civilians and an arrest has to be made then what happens ? Call the gardai I suppose. So the garda are still involved.


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  • #132
    veetwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭veetwin


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Yes but if they are replaced by civilians and an arrest has to be made then what happens ? Call the gardai I suppose. So the garda are still involved.

    I think the plan for civilianisiation only extends to designated ports of entry. Gardai will of course be on hand to make arrests etc where necessary.


  • #133
    Eru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭Eru


    Delancey wrote: »
    For starters I am not a moderator on this forum , just an ordinary poster like everyone else.
    Please expand on your post , lets hear the ' real ' story.

    the allowance was 28 euro, not a patch on your claimed amount and checking passports and refusing entry to people who are questionable is what they are paid to do. Its now 21 euro and despite common belief, civil servants will be getting an allowance similar as allowances in the civil service is more generous than in AGS

    What they actually did, as said, was refuse to do overtime thereby highlighting an ongoing issue that they weren't prepared to be blamed for anymore.

    In hindsight maybe all gardai should have done it and avoided our overtime payments being demonized.


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