Illegal Downloading Your thing??

lcrcboy

My question is this do you download allot of music, movies or other software quite frequently illegally or would you tend to try and download more often legally. Give reasons as well. The two main reasons I often here for both sides are:

Illegal Downloading: The music and film industry are two big and to powerful, downloading a few songs wont affect their profits, plus those industries need to change.

Legal: I try and support my favorite artists so I download legally, plus those industries especially the music industry are facing a massive decline in sales resulting in music labels not backing new artists anymore and sticking with current well established artists.

And what do you think needs to change for you to stop downloading illegally or for other to stop downloading illegally.

Biggins

I reserve the right not to indite myself!

eth0

I download, therefore I am

Hank_Jones

We meet again IMRO. :pac:

Leeg17

I seem to have missed the 'No, I never do it button'.
Oops.

lecker Hendl

Isn't it illegal to share the media, and not to download it. I don't seed anything anyway and don't ever download music.

Movies, well, I've said too much.

MungBean

Downloading is old news, streaming is where its at now. Someone else can break the law I'll just watch.

pdbhp

I download all the time but it's more of a try before you buy kinda thing as if somethings crap I just erase it and never think of it again whereas if I DL something and it's good I'll go and buy the item.

johnners2981

Its tough to do anything illegal with dial up

Dotrel

I once downloaded the internet back in the late 90's. Of course the internet was a lot smaller than it is today but connection speeds were much slower so it took approximately 4 years to complete.

Chuck Stone

Would you download a pizza for free?

Stop destroying lives you evil down loaders.

cursai

lecker Hendl wrote: »

Isn't it illegal to share the media, and not to download it. I don't seed anything anyway and don't ever download music.

Movies, well, I've said too much.

I think its only illegal to distribute copyrighted movies, music etc.. for profit or gain.

MungBean

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Would you download a pizza for free?

Stop destroying lives you evil down loaders.

Fcukin too right I would. That would be brilliant.

BunShopVoyeur

Fcuking right I do.


I don't feel guilty about it either.

lecker Hendl

pdbhp wrote: »

I download all the time but it's more of a try before you buy kinda thing as if somethings crap I just erase it and never think of it again whereas if I DL something and it's good I'll go and buy the item.

well that's just ridiculous. Here's a free car that you can keep. Oh I like it, here's 20k.

chiloutus

I download almost all my music illegally. I started back when albums were 20euro a pop and a single would be 10 euro in shops. I figured the prices were just too high. Now with Itunes (Which I hate!!!) making things a little cheaper it is hard to justify my piracy. But I don't lose sleep about it because I know all involved in making the music are all much much richer than I will ever be.

Now Software I would tend to buy the ones that I would be using day to day. But I would normally use freeware as it is less restrictive eg. OpenOffice.

Games however I would never pirate because I believe that if you shop smart you will always get your moneys worth and those involved really care about there fans. (Valve!!)

mikemac1

You wouldn't steal a handbag, you wouldn't steal a car :eek:

lecker Hendl

mikemac1 wrote: »

You wouldn't steal a handbag, you wouldn't steal a car :eek:

I'd clone them though

DjFlin

lcrcboy wrote: »

And what do you think needs to change for you to stop downloading illegally or for other to stop downloading illegally.

Content needs to become cheap enough, and accessible enough for piracy to become a waste of time.

Services like Rdio, Zune Pass, and Spotify are examples of doing it right. I would be totally happy to pay €10 a month for unlimited music. They've already proven to be successful strategies in the US. Sadly, there's not much of an equivalent here.

I'm an Eircom customer, and if they bothered to make a phone app, and a desktop program for their MusicHub, I'd happily use it all the time. But they don't seem to have any interest in making the service good.

MrJoeSoap

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Would you download a pizza for free?

Stop destroying lives you evil down loaders.

MungBean wrote: »

Fcukin too right I would. That would be brilliant.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=76055405

There's so much demand it simply has to happen. Surely people are working on it...

cursai

Im so far in the red with downloading pirated material, its now at the stage where i just walk into a shop and take the milk and walk out without paying.

Hank_Jones

Dotrel wrote: »

I once downloaded the internet back in the late 90's. Of course the internet was a lot smaller than it is today but connection speeds were much slower so it took approximately 4 years to complete.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg

pragmatic1

Yep and dont feel one bit bad about it. Long may it continue.

cursai

my local cinema cant keep up the 'previews' of movies i have in my sitting room.
I have overeager students clawing at my window.
That said Mission Impossible 4 was alright. Might have gone to see that in the cinema....if i'd have had to.
Im a pirate

cocoshovel

Pfft, the people who don't download just don't know how to. :rolleyes:

Conor108

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg

Spunge

lecker Hendl wrote: »

I I don't seed anything

This is the real crime here.

cocoshovel

Spunge wrote: »

This is the real crime here.

Indeed it is. I try my best to seed, but its a bit hard when my upload speed is 40kb

Ally Dick

Used to be a bugger for downloading. Last Easter, I promised my wife I would stop. Didn't happen fully though. However, I am making more of an effort by subscribing to Eircom Music Hub. I also use iTunes as well. If Netflix comes in, and when I get a telly that streams from the net directly, I will use it, and won't download illegally anymore. Hopefully Xtravision will bring in a similar online service so that the money will stay in Ireland at least

Agricola

I don't do it on an industrial level like those people who may or may not have given me terrabyte hard drives of movies, but I may or may not have gotten the odd film from time to time when I was at a lose end.

Considering the scale of corruption and the complete lack of a moral compass in our society that has brought us to ruin, I can sleep easily having downloaded an aul fúckin film. Thats if I did download one at all.

John Doe1

I download a lot but I think a system like radiohead used where you could pay the price you want to pay for it would be preferable. I think music is overvalued to be honest.

AngryBollix

Theres more than enough free squirt porn to go around.

Chuck Stone

MungBean wrote: »

Fcukin too right I would. That would be brilliant.

'Don't be stupah - it wrecks da cheeyiz'

AngryBollix

Chuck Stone wrote: »

'Don't be stupah - it wrecks da cheeyiz'

I'm lovin' it

AngryBollix

John Doe1 wrote: »

I download a lot but I think a system like radiohead used where you could pay the price you want to pay for it would be preferable. I think music is overvalued to be honest.

What you really mean is that most people wouldn't take radiohead albums for free.

Redisle

http://www.youhavedownloaded.com/

Peetrik

Yep, all the time, I breath oxygen produced by trees on land I don't own also.

I feel roughly the same amount of guilt for both.

Conor108

Redisle wrote: »

http://www.youhavedownloaded.com/

"Hi, We have no records on you"

Dotrel

Peetrik wrote: »

Yep, all the time, I breath oxygen produced by trees on land I don't own also.

I feel roughly the same amount of guilt for both.

So you're the one who has been uploading all that CO2 then! :mad:

kowloon

Some of these anti-piracy measures are just annoying. Pirated movies don't have 5 minutes of crap that you can't skip through before you can play them.

Services like Steam aren't so bad if you have broadband. I'm more than happy to watch ad breaks on streamed tv services like 4OD.

Oranage2

I download and if the Music/film industry didnt try rip us off for so long....Who am kidding I'd still download, nothing beats free.

marketty

I find that downloading movies/music, even books, for free peaks my interest in those things again. All spending on entertainment is discretionary and nowadays l don't exactly have much to be splashing out on movies music etc. However,if I get interested in a director/band/author because of stuff I've downloaded, I will go and spend money on their next product. For example I own very few DVDs because I rarely re-watch movies,so I don't consider DVDs good value as they just clutter up the house. But i go the cinema regularly for the big releases because its usually better than watching at home.I haven't bought a CD in about 12 years but I have developed a much wider taste in music and really enjoy a good gig so I support the artists in that way. Anyway a lot of my favourite artists are dead so why bother buying the album, they're not getting the cash! Downloading ebooks has really got me back into reading which I haven't been for a few years, I buy more books than ever now. But it would piss you off paying nearly the same price to amazon for a legit ebook as the paper/hardback version, they're not providing a physical product really, just providing a license to access plain text!

Turtyturd

Redisle wrote: »

http://www.youhavedownloaded.com/

That showed a fraction of what has been downloaded from my IP address...and all of it has been downloaded by my brother. So now I am confused if I download or not.

Faith+1

Guilty as charged. My heart bleeds for the studios.

Einhard

I never do it mainly because I'm a technophobe and don't have a clue how to do it! Also I'm a bit of a hoarder and like to have the physical evidence of the movie or tv show to pop on my shelves.

I don't think of those who download illegal stuff in a negative way at all. However, what pisses me off is when some of those people get all ratty when the tv or record companies start to crack down on it, or when they attempt to defend it morally by stating that they're entitled to steal other peoples' property because they were being charged too much for it. That's BS of the highest order. Taking something that doesn't belong to you is illegal, whether it's online or in a shopping centre. If you want to do so, fair enough, but don't come along pretending you're some latter day Robin Hood or something, striking a blow against evil corporate overlords. You're not. You're doing it because you don't want to pay for it. That's fair enough- but don't try to dress it up as anything else.

Niles

To be honest I only even stream stuff if it can't be seen by other means... like say if I can't see the program at its broadcast time and there's no other way of seeing it.

At the same time though I don't look down on those who choose to download stuff...

Reminds me of this (from 1:25).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdjpWmeDN_E

Ironically I wonder if that video is legally meant to be on Youtube... :rolleyes:

Spacedog

I believe it immoral to pay money for 1s and 0s or imaginary property, when there are people starving in the world, and more worthwhile projects that progress knowledge and mankind. Wikipedia, FSF, erowid.org, cancer research charities, amnesty international etc and our own flagging educational system.

The argument in the US for cutting the budget of manned space missions from the 1970s was that there were more pressing needs on earth where the money could be better spent. well if that is the case for putting space exploration, science and the advancement of the human race on hold, then sorry. I've given these middle men too much of my cash already.

A lot of people here say they use itunes, netflix and other streaming services. streaming is a wasteful distribution technology, uses lossy compression and the files cannot be re-played or reused.

itunes restricts what devices you can play your own music on, and involves reconverting files, taking time, computing cycles, annoyance, and loss of quality.

I would only consider paying for music directly to the artist, if provided in an open source high quality, lossless DRM free file format.

The fact of the matter is that if file sharing had never existed, there would be no itunes, youtube, netflix or anything else, the distribution companies of the 90s would have never allowed it.

Steal this Film II

oh, and because i have a sense of fair play, there's an intelligent argument against downloading from BBC's Newsnight...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq2PK2W-vVI

marketty

Turtyturd wrote: »

That showed a fraction of what has been downloaded from my IP address...and all of it has been downloaded by my brother. So now I am confused if I download or not.

It's a loada me arse that site because depending on the nature of your Internet connection you may not have a static IP, sometimes it will change and be used by others (although your ISP will still know who was on what IP at what time, sites like this won't). Unless someone in my house has developed a taste in Bollywood movies lately.

conor.hogan.2

Spacedog wrote: »

I believe it immoral to pay money for 1s and 0s or imaginary property, when there are people starving in the world, and more worthwhile projects that progress knowledge and mankind. Wikipedia, FSF, erowid.org, cancer research charities, amnesty international etc and our own flagging educational system.

Em how is Wikipedia made? How is the FSF site made?
With very real 1's and 0's.

aN.Droid

It depends on quality, i pay for an all you can eat music streaming service so im covered there. Movies I will usually download yes, but go to the cinema about 10 times a year, AAA games I will download to check them out and if they aren't a rushed piece of garbage I will usually buy them. Indie games I usually always buy.

Turtyturd

marketty wrote: »

It's a loada me arse that site because depending on the nature of your Internet connection you may not have a static IP, sometimes it will change and be used by others (although your ISP will still know who was on what IP at what time, sites like this won't). Unless someone in my house has developed a taste in Bollywood movies lately.

Well there goes the idea of giving a few mates the access key so I would have a few fall guys in case anyone found out about my downloading.