Illegal Downloading Your thing??

Bad Panda

With TV shows, I feel I'm not left with much choice but to download. We're so slow to get some shows over here still.

I still go to the cinema regularly and then if I like the film I'll download it (illegally) and add it to the collection. The only thing I'm not doing here is also buying the DVD, I've already paid in to see it so...

I'll download movies that are in the cinema that I wouldn't pay to watch regardless of whether I could download them or not.

Music: mostly illegally download, if I download a band's album and I really like it/them, I'll usually pay for the next one.

Mr Benevolent

Am I the only one to look at the title and think "How in the name of fuck am I supposed to illegally download my own cock?"

BlaasForRafa

marketty wrote: »

It's a loada me arse that site because depending on the nature of your Internet connection you may not have a static IP, sometimes it will change and be used by others (although your ISP will still know who was on what IP at what time, sites like this won't). Unless someone in my house has developed a taste in Bollywood movies lately.

Yeah, that site is full of sh--e, it alleged I'd torrented something last month when I haven't used torrents for years. It looks like something cooked up to scare the gullible.

af_thefragile

chiloutus wrote: »

I download almost all my music illegally. I started back when albums were 20euro a pop and a single would be 10 euro in shops. I figured the prices were just too high. Now with Itunes (Which I hate!!!) making things a little cheaper it is hard to justify my piracy. But I don't lose sleep about it because I know all involved in making the music are all much much richer than I will ever be.

Now Software I would tend to buy the ones that I would be using day to day. But I would normally use freeware as it is less restrictive eg. OpenOffice.

Games however I would never pirate because I believe that if you shop smart you will always get your moneys worth and those involved really care about there fans. (Valve!!)

Second that!

I only really download music (and Top Gear episodes) occasionally because musicians (and the TG presenters) are making enough money anyway that my downloading will affect them. That saying if I do support an artist, I will buy their CD. Like I bought the albums by NIN even when he put them online for free download. But lately I'm not big into music so I very occasionally download music if I come across something I like on youtube or something... I do buy Clarkson's christmas DVD when it comes out every year though!

I always buy software that I'll be doing serious work on such as Photoshop/CS as you get all the updates and its better if you publish your work that it wasn't created on a pirated software.

For Games, now that I've got a Steam account, I just wait for the sale or some good deals to pop up. I've got about 10 big game titles and 2-3 small indie ones and I've only spent less than 50eur on Steam so far!

Oh and I buy Blu Ray discs of good documentaries such as Planet Earth, Life, Frozen Planet, Brian Cox's Wonders of the Solar System etc. cuz its worth watching them on Blu Ray!!

lcrcboy

Bad Panda wrote: »

With TV shows, I feel I'm not left with much choice but to download. We're so slow to get some shows over here still.

I still go to the cinema regularly and then if I like the film I'll download it (illegally) and add it to the collection. The only thing I'm not doing here is also buying the DVD, I've already paid in to see it so...

I'll download movies that are in the cinema that I wouldn't pay to watch regardless of whether I could download them or not.

Music: mostly illegally download, if I download a band's album and I really like it/them, I'll usually pay for the next one.

Part of the reason is that films get more publicity in the US and this has a knock on effect when released in the UK - it gives word of mouth a chance to spread. A while back I wanted to take a friend to a small film in the UK - he wasn't interested as he had never heard of it. When the film was later released in the US and was a surprise hit, the same friend wanted to know "when is it coming out here, I want to see it" but by then it was long gone from cinemas.

For smaller films especially, only a limited number of prints are struck (they are very expensive) and these are shown in US cinemas and then shipped to the UK when they have played out, to save making more prints.

And actually its not all all unusual for even British films to open in the US first, especially if they are regarded as commercial.

There are an increasing number of films which now run against the trend however. In the last year some examples of US films which opened in the UK first are -

Lucky Number Slevin

Running Scared

An American Haunting

and the current "Smokin' Aces"

Another reason is the other films on release. Studios often don't want to compete with blockbusters or release similar films around the same time, and, conversely, sometimes want to offer an alternative to whatever the current major release is.

In the case of films hoping for awards, companies want to release films they hope will win awards as close to the end of the qualifying period as possible, so they will be fresh in voters minds. To qualify for an Oscar in the US a film has to be released before the end of the year, however in the UK films can still qualify for the UK Academy Awards (BAFTAS) if they are released in January or February, so we tend to get award winning or nominated films later. Also, studios want to release films internationally if they hope the will have garnered publicity from nominations. As schedules are made up months in advance, we in the UK tend to get any films that were ever hoped to be awrds contenders later than the US.

cursai

lcrcboy wrote: »

Part of the reason is that films get more publicity in the US and this has a knock on effect when released in the UK - it gives word of mouth a chance to spread. A while back I wanted to take a friend to a small film in the UK - he wasn't interested as he had never heard of it. When the film was later released in the US and was a surprise hit, the same friend wanted to know "when is it coming out here, I want to see it" but by then it was long gone from cinemas.

For smaller films especially, only a limited number of prints are struck (they are very expensive) and these are shown in US cinemas and then shipped to the UK when they have played out, to save making more prints.

And actually its not all all unusual for even British films to open in the US first, especially if they are regarded as commercial.

There are an increasing number of films which now run against the trend however. In the last year some examples of US films which opened in the UK first are -

Lucky Number Slevin

Running Scared

An American Haunting

and the current "Smokin' Aces"

Another reason is the other films on release. Studios often don't want to compete with blockbusters or release similar films around the same time, and, conversely, sometimes want to offer an alternative to whatever the current major release is.

In the case of films hoping for awards, companies want to release films they hope will win awards as close to the end of the qualifying period as possible, so they will be fresh in voters minds. To qualify for an Oscar in the US a film has to be released before the end of the year, however in the UK films can still qualify for the UK Academy Awards (BAFTAS) if they are released in January or February, so we tend to get award winning or nominated films later. Also, studios want to release films internationally if they hope the will have garnered publicity from nominations. As schedules are made up months in advance, we in the UK tend to get any films that were ever hoped to be awrds contenders later than the US.

Which UK site did you download this quote from

Shane732

BlackVPN + Peerblock....

Always practice safe piracy.

Longboard

Irony

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> http://www.geekosystem.com/anti-piracy-group-pirates-song/

G-Money

I've bought stuff legally from the likes of iTunes and other times I've sourced music and videos "in other ways", especially when it comes to American TV shows. It's unreasonable for us to have to wait weeks or months for some channel over here to put a show on TV. And how often do they chop and change the time and day it's on then skip showing it a certain week or whatever.

IMHO, people won't stop downloading TV shows until they're made available for them to watch legally (either streamed or via their TV provider) without having to wait for no reason other than the fact they are not in the US or Canada.

I guess also with music, occasionally particular versions of songs are not available through iTunes, again due to your location, or perhaps because the artist hasn't released it onto iTunes. In those cases sometimes you've no choice to be look in other places in order to find it.

MrPirate

Downloading? Me? NEVER!

Freddie59

chiloutus wrote: »

I download almost all my music illegally. I started back when albums were 20euro a pop and a single would be 10 euro in shops. I figured the prices were just too high. Now with Itunes (Which I hate!!!) making things a little cheaper it is hard to justify my piracy. But I don't lose sleep about it because I know all involved in making the music are all much much richer than I will ever be.

Now Software I would tend to buy the ones that I would be using day to day. But I would normally use freeware as it is less restrictive eg. OpenOffice.

Games however I would never pirate because I believe that if you shop smart you will always get your moneys worth and those involved really care about there fans. (Valve!!)

I never download illegally nowadays. Stuff is gone so cheap what's the point?

sausagehead

First started filesharing around 1999 using Audiogalaxy, no broadband them days of coarse, it was closed by the RIAA, winmx came along, still on dial-up i used to download single songs to make up albums, downloading mostly at night.

After winmx went belly up i used Shareaza and then came along BitTorrent, around 2002, anybody remember a site called Suprnova! i think it was the first BitTorrent site, it was unreal! whole albums could be downloaded!
When that site went to a arse, it was a sad day! .....but others came along and it was now time for broadband

still using bitTorrent for films, Demonoid usually! and for music, direct downloading from filehosting sites is my preferred choice,

Kxiii

The reason I don't feel bad for downloading music illegally

44leto

I have never stolen anything, I wouldn't even buy any hot gear. But I pirate and I know it is wrong, I don't try to moralise it at all.

My justification is pathetic, "everyone else is doing it".

LaFlammeRouge

MungBean wrote: »

Downloading is old news, streaming is where its at now. Someone else can break the law I'll just watch.

When you stream something, like watch a video on youtube, the file is downloaded onto your computer to your temporary internet folder. You can then easily save it permanently.

Led Zeppelin The Clash

If its something in PD I Download it.
If its not then I buy it.

AoifeCN

I do download illegally music,software,movies,Games as I'm a teenager so don't really have the money to buy thousands of songs and films. I think it's very convenient and so easy to do.I don't agree with the suggestion that it "my right" to download illegal I know it's wrong.I do however agree that it will eventually have a huge negative impact on music and film industry and it will eventually impact the cinema prices and DVD prices for those of us who do buy them .so if there is a film or album that i want to support I will buy it especially DVDs because I'm a bit of a collector so I enjoy buying them.

The Jammy dodger

Give us plenty of thanks if you think the 25 people who voted ''No I never do it'' are musicians and songwriters?

I'm one of them

DB21

I've never downloaded illegally. I have used a torrent site, which is perfectly legal.

NullZer0

Its not right for artists.... why would they do something that they "love" for free?

OpTiMuS Pr1mE

I download all the time only ever buy cd's/dvd's if its something i really like and am into. Also, if it was'nt for downloading I would'nt go see half the bands I do anyone agree??

Capt'n Midnight

http://xkcd.com/546/

nommm

I download a good bit of music illegally. but really, i also buy far more music than anyone I know. Usually a mininum of 4 or 5 albums a month. I like to think it balances out.:o

kaji

What's the law on downloading in Ireland? Also, is it less risky to download from sites like Rapidshare, than torrents?

DrGreenthumb

not that i condone it but if you think about it most people that download wouldn't have bought the item in the first place so there not really loosing out on a sale

Jesus Wept

Niles wrote: »

To be honest I only even stream stuff if it can't be seen by other means... like say if I can't see the program at its broadcast time and there's no other way of seeing it.

At the same time though I don't look down on those who choose to download stuff...

Reminds me of this (from 1:25).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdjpWmeDN_E

Ironically I wonder if that video is legally meant to be on Youtube... :rolleyes:

The music he is humming that is used by the anti piracy people in their ad is... pirated. ho hum.

Freddie59

DB21 wrote: »

I've never downloaded illegally. I have used a torrent site, which is perfectly legal.

Cantona's Collars

OSI wrote: »

Plenty of perfectly legal uses for torrents. Such as ISO's of Linux distributions, and even the likes of World of Warcraft use a form of BitTorrent to spread the client.

But the temptation of seeing a torrent of the latest movie there must be so tempting.............must not click 'download now',damn too late.

ch750536

I'll play fair when they play fair.

When I can buy a licence to listen to an album and only have to buy the licence once, regardless of format, then I will (I bought LP's way back with a licence to listen to the music, then I paid for another licence with CD's as they wouldn't supply me with a CD at reduced cost minus the licence.)

When I can do the same with a game (... oh I can, I use steam. Tick for that box.)

When I can watch a movie when I want to ( about to do this apparently, plans are for a service where cinema releases can be watched online from the same date is to be rolled out this year)

So, they are getting there it seems, wp, gg.

Stiffler2

i think if you upload and maintain a share ratio of 1:1 it isn't considered stealing.

+ a copy of something isn't stealing.

and what is this do-win-oad-ing you speak of, never heard of it ?

Boro

Spacedog wrote: »

oh, and because i have a sense of fair play, there's an intelligent argument against downloading from BBC's Newsnight...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq2PK2W-vVI

Boo hoo hoo, the man cant eavesdrop on us, encryption is ruining everything!

That is equivalent to saying that people wearing clothes is stopping the police from seeing the criminals carrying guns because ANYONE could be concealing a weapon. It would be so much easier if we were all naked.

denhaagenite

With music, if it's by a new artist, music for charity or something like that I will pay for it, but if it's an established recording artist or from a strong record label then I won't- they don't need my money and I'm also helping them out with exposure etc so I don't feel I owe them anything.

token56

I used to download tv shows quite a lot but stream now and only really download if I can't find a stream. I'm also watching a lot loss tv shows because there are not that many quality tv shows around anymore.

I rarely ever downloaded movies. I used to work a cinema which meant I could watch any big new films that comes out. Now I dont mind going to see a film in the cinema if I think its good enough. If I didn't think it was good enough to see in the cinema its very unlikely I'll download it. Might download the odd older movie but rarely.

I'd only download music once in a blue moon. Dont have a need for an ipod etc so dont listen to music on the go. Work at a computer all day so any music I want to listen to I can do so through youtube, grooveshark etc.

Dont play much games but would typically buy them if I really wanted one mainly because of things like online play etc. I would download software when I have the need rather than buy it. Software tends to be rather expensive and I have no real guilt in downloading it.

I also download quite a lot of academic related ebooks/articles. Primarily because I might only be interested in a very small part of a particular book and such books can be very expensive, i.e. ~ 100 euro for a book, ~25 euro for an article.

The majority of downloading I do would actually be for other people that ask me to get something for them. I have access to a private site which has a large repository of links for almost anything, it only uses filesharing sites too rather than torrents such its much easier to download.

PhilippeB

Dishonestly obtained products are widely available online. It is really difficult to remove it and I know there are a lot of people who patronize this kind of downloading (most especially songs) because of the fact that it is free and affordable. And honestly, I did. But the government now has made a bill with regards to this matter. The SOPA bill is intended to make these materials less obtainable, a fact that customers of the Congressional web connection appear to be reacting to by downloading more unlawful material.It is meant to make copyright protections in the United States better, but there are several opponents of the bill. Some of these opponents have found that Congressional online connections have been used to download illegally acquired products.Resource for this article: Congress supports SOPA while illegally downloading self-help books
If ever this bill will be approved, they should also keep an eye with their people in the government, then it will be fair for everyone. Acquiring something that is supposed to be legal is not right but I (and I know some of you) can't resist these free stuffs.

Cee-Jay-Cee

I use MP3panda.com

Its not free but its very cheap and they have everything i have ever looked for.

holystungun9

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

Fcuking right I do.


I don't feel guilty about it either.

If only the Catholic church could teach us to feel guilty for downloading, in the same way they promoted shame for having a good ol' rub of your sexy bits.

hooradiation

I don't because as an adult I've realised that if I want something my choices are limited to either buying it or doing without.

This isn't the amazing inconvenience people would have you believe.

roast

Only if I could download a car.

MrVestek

kowloon wrote: »

Some of these anti-piracy measures are just annoying. Pirated movies don't have 5 minutes of crap that you can't skip through before you can play them.

Services like Steam aren't so bad if you have broadband. I'm more than happy to watch ad breaks on streamed tv services like 4OD.

Absolutely this. I got a brilliant collector's box set of the recent series of Doctor Who on Bluray for Christmas.

Absolutely delighted with it but every time I put a disc I have to sit through exactly 7 minutes of ****e before I even get to the menu. One of the things is simply a placard saying 'Doctor Who Series 6 Bluray Edition Disc X' with some posh English bint reading out the same text that's on the screen. It's unskippable and lasts a good fifteen seconds before it'll disappear.

WHY?! When I downloaded the 720p episodes as the show was airing at the time I didn't receive any of this absolute bull****.

Iskar Jarak

Sigh.

There's nothing wrong with downloading. The negative stigma attached to it really stems from the big companies, primarily US based (RIAA,MPAA etc.), who refuse to adapt to changing technologies, and refuse to change their business models, and so get their good friends in Congress to bring in ridiculous laws, sue people to set an example (Jammie Thomas, anyone?), and the impending SOPA/PIPA bills to boot. The ripple effect, and America essentialy exerting peer pressure on the world, soon pushes these things across the water to us. Remember that these laws are supported by the people who also thought that vinyl, 8-track and cassettes would kill the music industry.

I have downloaded music, movies and software. Not because I wanted to steal them, but because I wasn't going to pay good money for something that I didn't know anything about. If I like the end result, invariably I buy it. If I don't, well, I was never going to buy it in the first place. Therein lies the problem. The figures the entertainment industries shout out - the 'lost revenue' - count a download as a lost sale. How many people out there will honestly say that if you couldn't download it, that you would have actually bought the product?

In a digital era, people need to broaden the scope of how to make money. DRM - doesn't work. Litigation - doesn't work. Where there is information, there will be piracy. You can't stop the revolution, so learn how to work with it. Digital media needs to be viewed a lot more as a promotional tool than the entire bottom line. You can't treat an infinite resource the same as stealing something from a shop, because it simply isn't the same.

If you think something is worth paying for, pay for it. If you don't, delete it.

But that's just my opinion

seanbmc

I download things for the sake of convenience. Take television shows for example, why watch a show on TV here that's a week(sometimes more) late and has adds with it? When I can just download my show the day after it airs and watch it on my TV.

Same thing with movies, some movies take a ridiculous amount of time to get here on Blu Ray, so I just download them to save me the wait.

phonejacker

question. is this the act about the illegal downloading of music http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2012/en/act/pub/0001/index.html
if it is will the gardaí raid my house if i download some music tonight:D??????????

chin_grin

Don't copy that floppy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI

Niall0001

The Music Industry & MPAA have had since the early 90s to adapt their business model to benefit from online sales. They didn't. In the music industry in particular, the reason the 60s was such a creative period commercially was because the old dinosaurs who owned the labels gave full recognition of the fact that they didn't understand the scene so handed control to their sons. Who are still controlling these companies to this day!

Time for them to do as their fathers did & step aside for the new guard before they ruin the internet for all of us, which it would appear is their plan. For example: CNET/Download.com, the client that half the planet downloaded file sharing clients from, was bought out by CBS in 2008 & breached copyright themselves by claiming you can download Rolling Stones/Britney, etc for free by downloading said software from them!!!!!

CBS have since launched a multitude of multi-million dollar lawsuits against, for example, 12-year olds for illegally downloading Barney & Freinds, or whatever they like really whenever profit margins aren't being met. Former Congressman, Chris Dodd (who met Enda Kenny IN SECRET last summer in Mayo, btw) - Head of the Motion Picture Association of America, was the main man behind SOPA/PIPA &, as a result, the resultant 'compromise' (which is actually the worst of the 3) ACTA.

The world is a vampire. Don't feed the vampire.

CiaranC

hooradiation wrote: »

I don't because as an adult I've realised that if I want something my choices are limited to either buying it or doing without.

Eh, no they arent.

Teyla Emmagan

Thread reminds me that the latest 'Walking Dead' must be up by now..

KKkitty

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Would you download a pizza for free?

Stop destroying lives you evil down loaders.

No it'd take way too many mega bites to finish it

Niall0001

Regards downloading a pizza: obviously impossible. But how about downloading a motorbike? A car? A new pair of runners? Anything you bloody want if you have the right materials.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNeXfBapcRo

You can now buy self-assembly 3d printers for less than a grand, by the way. Download the CAD file, download the CAD software (surely will be vastly overpriced, forcing folk into downloading it illegally), ready your materials & 3d printer...

KKkitty

I do from time to time. It's not entirely free either is it seeing as you have to buy credit or whatever to make sure you have a connection to the internet to download in the first place.

im invisible

Niall0001 wrote: »

Regards downloading a pizza: obviously impossible. But how about downloading a motorbike? A car? A new pair of runners? Anything you bloody want if you have the right materials.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNeXfBapcRo

You can now buy self-assembly 3d printers for less than a grand, by the way. Download the CAD file, download the CAD software (surely will be vastly overpriced, forcing folk into downloading it illegally), ready your materials & 3d printer...

if you had a 3D printer, could you download a 3D printer?