Man pushed under Dublin Bus and decapitated

Mental Mickey

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Does that apply to gutter press journalists?

It should. B@st&rd$

balkieb2002

Was heading down Nassau street towards Grafton street direction after work and I normally walk on the side of the street it happened to avoid all the people queuing for buses but decided not to yesterday.

Thankfully I missed this incident by few mins. Couple of emergency vehicles had just arrived but I saw loads of people standing around (some with their phones out ) and the bus stopped at the junction. Thank fúck I didn't stop to see what had actually happened as I was in a rush and had just thought it was just a car accident or something. I came back that way later on in the night and was surprised to see the area still blocked off but then saw a tent near the bus and figured something terrible had happened.

Lollipops23

smash wrote: »

So assault, theft anf destruction of property... And the should be ashamed of themselves?

And "an amoral looser"... Maybe you should look that up

Who says they're ok either...? People are capable of doing several terrible things at once you know...

Whatever you say, however you try and manipulate it, invading someone's privacy when they're lying dying or dead on the street and before their nearest and dearest have been informed is grotesque.


Besides, why would anyone WANT those images on their phones? I imagine most of the witnesses would pay good money to have those images erased from their minds.

conorhal

smash wrote: »

So assault, theft and destruction of property... And they should be ashamed of themselves?

And "an amoral looser"... Maybe you should look that up

a·mor·al
/Adjective
Lacking a moral sense; unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something.

Description of anybody filming this event, description of the kind of person more concerned about a mobile phone then another human being.

When does such a thing become unacceptable to you, if it's child? If it's your child?

Grow up.

Mental Mickey

conorhal wrote: »

a·mor·al
/Adjective
Lacking a moral sense; unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something.

Description of anybody filming this event, description of the kind of person more concerned about a mobile phone then another human being.

When does such a thing become unacceptable to you, if it's child? If it's your child?

Grow up.

You're right. There are some seriously f**ked up people around.

conorhal

Mental Mickey wrote: »

You're right. There are some seriously f**ked up people around.

The really sad thing is that, like smash, they are utterly oblivious to that fact.

runawaybishop

WindSock wrote: »

Best thing to do is to use your phone to film the people with their phones. They'll soon stop.

This is the superior suggestion.

smash

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Whatever you say, however you try and manipulate it, invading someone's privacy when they're lying dying or dead on the street and before their nearest and dearest have been informed is grotesque.

As sick as it might seem to some, in a public place taking a photo is not an invasion of privacy.

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Besides, why would anyone WANT those images on their phones? I imagine most of the witnesses would pay good money to have those images erased from their minds.

I imagine they could be useful to the Gardai and press.

conorhal wrote: »

a·mor·al
/Adjective
Lacking a moral sense; unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amorality

Amoral should not be confused with immoral, which refers to an agent doing or thinking something he or she knows or believes to be wrong.

conorhal wrote: »

The really sad thing is that, like smash, they are utterly oblivious to that fact.

Because I objected to the fact that you'd want to attack someone? Please...

chinwag

The emergency services in general must be saluted here, especially the ambulance crews, who carry out their duties on a daily basis and constantly deal with horrible injuries. They may be trained for their job but they are human and must be affected by some of the injuries they have to deal with in the immediate aftermath of accidents. Perhaps we take them for granted a little too often.

Mental Mickey

chinwag wrote: »

The emergency services in general must be saluted here, especially the ambulance crews, who carry out their duties on a daily basis and constantly deal with horrible injuries. They may be trained for their job but they are human and must be affected by some of the injuries they have to deal with in the immediate aftermath of accidents. Perhaps we take them for granted a little too often.

Here here.

Natmus

eire-kp wrote: »

Poor bus driver.

God love the bus driver

Raytown Rocks

Was recently on a first aid course with a paramedic as tutor.
He actually said you would be surprised how many mobile phones his colleagues and Firemen etc have actually thrown in the river liffey when on a callout to these incidents.
And its from all walks of life, men, women,scobes, passersby with phones.

Fair play to them I say, was delighted when he told us thats what they do.

runawaybishop

chef wrote: »

Was recently on a first aid course with a paramedic as tutor.
He actually said you would be surprised how many mobile phones his colleagues and Firemen etc have actually thrown in the river liffey when on a callout to these incidents.
And its from all walks of life, men, women,scobes, passersby with phones.

Fair play to them I say, was delighted when he told us thats what they do.

Surprised as in "wow, you totally made that number up"?

smash

chef wrote: »

Was recently on a first aid course with a paramedic as tutor.
He actually said you would be surprised how many mobile phones his colleagues and Firemen etc have actually thrown in the river liffey when on a callout to these incidents.
And its from all walks of life, men, women,scobes, passersby with phones.

Fair play to them I say, was delighted when he told us thats what they do.

I don't believe for a second that they'd do that. It's illegal and would put their job at risk.

Higher

chinwag wrote: »

The emergency services in general must be saluted here, especially the ambulance crews, who carry out their duties on a daily basis and constantly deal with horrible injuries. They may be trained for their job but they are human and must be affected by some of the injuries they have to deal with in the immediate aftermath of accidents. Perhaps we take them for granted a little too often.

Agreed although the ambulance crews are always commended. The Gardai will have to deal with the same sort of incidents as the ambulance crew and yet are always taken for granted.

The Gardai are constantly criticized and have just as horrible job as the ambulance crews in my opinion. They will usually be the first on scene and unlike Ambulance crews are probably not as trained to witness what they do. Not only that but the Gardai will have the horrible task of breaking the news to the victim's family members.

Much more thankless job in my opinion and I think while your comment that we take ambulance crews for granted is true, it is far more true for members of the Gardai.

I for one would not want to put up with the horrible things they have to, the dangerous situations they have to deal with and the general lack of respect for their profession that a huge number of the public seem to hold. It's one of the few jobs (along with emergency crews) where the employees can say that they are genuinely doing something that helps society. And yet they are sneered at far too often on this forum (dumb guards, corrupt etc.)

Having read about the incident and imagining what the Gardai who were first on the scene had to witness, you cannot help but feel for them. For all you know the same Garda who had to witness the decapitated body first hand will be getting spat on by some junkie this weekend or being screamed at and abused by some drunken idiot for doing his/her job.

Raytown Rocks

smash wrote: »

I don't believe for a second that they'd do that. It's illegal and would put their job at risk.

Firstly why would I lie
Secondly why would he lie.

FFS you cant even pass on a story your told by somone without this ****e.

This is what I was told, I passed it on. As ripley once said " Believe it or not"

Raytown Rocks

runawaybishop wrote: »

Surprised as in "wow, you totally made that number up"?

I didnt mention a number, as per my last post I am only passing on what was conveyed to me.

runawaybishop

chef wrote: »

Firstly why would I lie
Secondly why would he lie.

FFS you cant even pass on a story your told by somone without this ****e.

This is what I wa told, I passed it on. As ripley once said " Believe it or not"

Passing on a story someone told you isn't lying, no one is accusing you of lying. Don't know or care why your mate would like though, but it sounds like bull****. Any public servant that ****ed my phone in the river for any reason wouldn't be getting a passive response from me, nor would that sort of behaviour be allowed by any professional.

Raytown Rocks

runawaybishop wrote: »

Passing on a story someone told you isn't lying, no one is accusing you of lying. Don't know or care why your mate would like though, but it sounds like bull****. Any public servant that ****ed my phone in the river for any reason wouldn't be getting a passive response from me, nor would that sort of behaviour be allowed by any professional.

read my post

hes not a mate he was a trained paramedic training us on a course

When they are working people take out phones and take pics
Example : using a defribilattor, they remove all clothing including bra.
Some spa decides to video it, Phone goes swimming

Public servant or not I agree with him, and his reasons.

Reoil

WindSock wrote:

Best thing to do is to use your phone to film the people with their phones. They'll soon stop.

What good will that do? How will you know what they are taking a film of?

cameramonkey

When I was young I saw a man on Burgh Quay that had his head crushed by a truck. I think the man was a priest for some reason but i have to say it was one of the most shocking things I had seen up to that day. I actually avoided Burgh Quay for a few years after the incident, I remember a garda motor bike guy arriving and turning pale as he put his jacket over the guys head.

the emergency services are to be applauded for their difficult work in such horrific circumstances.

thomasj

runawaybishop wrote: »

Passing on a story someone told you isn't lying, no one is accusing you of lying. Don't know or care why your mate would like though, but it sounds like bull****. Any public servant that ****ed my phone in the river for any reason wouldn't be getting a passive response from me, nor would that sort of behaviour be allowed by any professional.

I'd understand why emergency crews would get heated. Its bad enough that you have a crowd in the way while you are trying to do your job but cameras pointing in your face while you try to treat or even save someone or even trying to clear up after a death its not helpful.

Precise Pangolin

Reoil wrote: »

I'm a bit surprised that they're still trying to identify the guy. It makes me think it was either a tourist or a foreigner - in the idea that it's somebody who wouldn't necessarily have somebody close to them to contact the police when they didn't arrive home yesterday evening.

Or a guy who is often away from home/has no home/has a home but people are used to his absence, and carries no ID, bank cards etc.

Amalgam

cameramonkey wrote: »

When I was young I saw a man on Burgh Quay that had..

Further along is one of the deadliest stretches, the bend from Westmoreland Street, onto Aston Quay.

A few years back one of the papers was ruminating on stats, after the death of a young cyclist (foreign student), at that particular bend. I think it was just about 20 (pedestrian\cyclist) deaths in ten years.

2ndcoming

Man arrested in connection with this:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1207/post-mortem-due-on-man-killed-in-dublin.html

conorhal

runawaybishop wrote: »

Passing on a story someone told you isn't lying, no one is accusing you of lying. Don't know or care why your mate would like though, but it sounds like bull****. Any public servant that ****ed my phone in the river for any reason wouldn't be getting a passive response from me, nor would that sort of behaviour be allowed by any professional.

I'm sure you'd definately bail into half a dozzen burly firemen while they were cutting a crash victim out of wreck...
..., no you wouldn't, you'd stand there spluttering your indignation like an eejit and then walk away, hopefully too embarrased to report what happened, because what kind of tool would make a complaint stating that they interfered with a rescue operation because the firemen at the scene wouldn't let you film a corpse like some kind of macarbre vulture?

SunnyDub1

2ndcoming wrote: »

Man arrested in connection with this:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1207/post-mortem-due-on-man-killed-in-dublin.html

Not saying that it is OK to push or punch anyone out onto a busy main road but I am pretty sure the man in question had no intension's for the poor young man to die.
All the same what awful pricks for fleeing the scene.

Hope the poor bus driver is OK. Heart really goes out to him and anyone that had to witness.

smash

conorhal wrote: »

I'm sure you'd definately bail into half a dozzen burly firemen while they were cutting a crash victim out of wreck...
..., no you wouldn't, you'd stand there spluttering your indignation like an eejit and then walk away, hopefully too embarrased to report what happened, because what kind of tool would make a complaint stating that they interfered with a rescue operation because the firemen at the scene wouldn't let you film a corpse like some kind of macarbre vulture?

Can you give it a rest. You're not even making sense and you're getting aggressive and abusive now.

eviltwin

Someone has been arrested and is being questioned. Fair play to the Gardai.

conorhal

smash wrote: »

Can you give it a rest. You're not even making sense and you're getting aggressive and abusive now.

Hilarious, I'm not the one threatening to beat up the emergency services. If anybody needs to give it up.....

smash

conorhal wrote: »

Hilarious, I'm not the one threatening to beat up the emergency services. If anybody needs to give it up.....

Either did I You did threaten to beat up anyone with a phone though.

Darksaga87

WindSock wrote: »

People taking pictures at the scene apparently. Ffs, what are they going to do...put them on Facebook and Twitter.

That is fúcked up.

Mod

Can everyone calm the fcuk down please.

Thank you.

conorhal

smash wrote: »

Either did I You did threaten to beat up anyone with a phone though.

No, I didn't.

I said I'd take it off a person filming an accident and grind it into the tarmac.

runawaybishop

conorhal wrote: »

I'm sure you'd definately bail into half a dozzen burly firemen while they were cutting a crash victim out of wreck...
..., no you wouldn't, you'd stand there spluttering your indignation like an eejit and then walk away, hopefully too embarrased to report what happened, because what kind of tool would make a complaint stating that they interfered with a rescue operation because the firemen at the scene wouldn't let you film a corpse like some kind of macarbre vulture?

Not being passive doesn't mean resorting to fisticuffs Morally objectionable or not its not illegal, unlike destroying someones property. I don't really believe that it happens often because i don't believe it wouldn't be reported and the offender punished. Its not against the law to be a gruesome prick.

seven_eleven

Im laughing at all the people saying they would start smashing everyones phones. Whisht up would ye, and no fireman or emergency service worker would grab someones phone and smash it either, you would only be told to stop fúcking taking pictures and clear off.

Anyway, Im out of this thread for now. Too heated in here.

Raytown Rocks

runawaybishop wrote: »

Not being passive doesn't mean resorting to fisticuffs Morally objectionable or not its not illegal, unlike destroying someones property. I don't really believe that it happens often because i don't believe it wouldn't be reported and the offender punished. Its not against the law to be a gruesome prick.

Well if the hat fits and all that.

Mental Mickey

seven_eleven wrote: »

Im laughing at all the people saying they would start smashing everyones phones. Whisht up would ye, and no fireman or emergency service worker would grab someones phone and smash it either, you would only be told to stop fúcking taking pictures and clear off.

Anyway, Im out of this thread for now. Too heated in here.

Everyone suddenly become an amateur detective at times like this!!

Some people need to grab hold of a paper bag, and breathe into it. Deeply.

mikom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06ml4Wke0ZM

Mental Mickey

mikom wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gd78h0-QJ4

Can't see that???

mikom

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Can't see that???

Direct link..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06ml4Wke0ZM

DominoDub

Bloody hell my iTunes is playing The Smiths "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out"

That Just gave me the chills

folamh

I don't mean to be inappropriate, but do we have a name yet? I've been wondering whether it could have been someone I know!

Mental Mickey

folamh wrote: »

I don't mean to be inappropriate, but do we have a name yet? I've been wondering whether it could have been someone I know!

FFS if it was someone you knew, you would've heard by now? Think before you post!

james142

mikom wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gd78h0-QJ4

""Look at this Instagram..." This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by CH Media."

Madam_X

Taking pictures is ****ed up, simple as.

That said, I don't see anything that would particularly make me despair for humanity on this thread in terms if comments - more like people are pre-empting same because they enjoy getting outraged.

Did anyone say good riddance if he was a junkie/addict? I only read people speculating as to whether he was. It's not something I'd wonder about myself, but speculation isn't the same as saying good riddance if he was.

Re death occurring quickly and not too painlessly due to the impact - what's wrong with saying that when it's quite possible? It's like there's a *preference* for him to have had a slow, agonising death. Really really hope he didn't. And there's a good chance it was quick, which is a tiny comfort if it had to happen.

Mental Mickey

Mental Mickey wrote: »

FFS if it was someone you knew, you would've heard by now? Think before you post!

I don't see how that would be. A close friend of mine died this year, it made the news (obviously without her name, just 'a young woman' etc), and some of her family members and good friends didn't find out for nearly a week.

mikom

james142 wrote: »

""Look at this Instagram..." This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by CH Media."

Updated my post......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06ml4Wke0ZM

Lula.Pozza

A friend of mine was right next to the victim at the scene when it happened. She and another lady moved out of the way of the fight as to not get involved when the victim was punched and stumbled falling onto the road being run over by the back wheels of the bus.

The man was not decapitated as that ridiculously bad-written independent article said (a disgraceful article) but his head was crushed and essentially exploded on the ground. My friend (a lady in her 40s with whom I work) is traumatised and has not been able to eat or sleep since the incident yesterday.

She has been interviewed by the gardai today as a main witness and we could not praise them more, they stayed with her for almost 2 hours getting a statement and talking to her about it. She said that the bus driver was like a ghost crying and shaking; he believed he had run over a cyclist and was almost relieved to understand it was the result of a fight and not his fault at all.

Despite the fact that this man was described to be a druggy, his life has still ended tragically and there is a serious lack of respect from some posters here based on this fact - he is still a man whose death was horrific and unnecessary.

My friend has read through this thread and as one of the witnesses is very grateful to the condolences of strangers here wishing her and the other onlookers well, and wishes to thank everyone

smash

Lula.Pozza wrote: »

The man was not decapitated as that ridiculously bad-written independent article said (a disgraceful article) but his head was crushed and essentially exploded on the ground.

That is considered decapitation.