Black People Feel Most Discriminated against

The Aussie

WileyCoyote wrote: »

"Jokes" made on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, religion etc can be very offensive, but they do not constitute discrimination.
Discrimination occurs where an individual or group are treated less favourably in the provision of either public or private goods or services, or suffer a greater tariff when obtaining them.
Discrimination is not confined to race it can also be on the grouds of gender, sexuality, religious belief, age etc.
I hope that helps clear up the difference between offensive remarks/ and discrimination.

The Britsh judicial system would disagree with your moral compass on this one, and so do I TBH.

"A Northern Irishman driven from his job because he refused to laugh along with Irish jokes and taunts has won pounds 6,000 compensation after an industrial tribunal ruled that he was a victim of racial discrimination.
The unanimous ruling in favour of Trevor McAuley, often dubbed a 'typical thick Paddy', was said to be the first case of its kind involving racist abuse against the Irish."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/irish-victim-of-racist-jokes-awarded-pounds-6000-landmark-tribunal-ruling-over-taunts-at-machinists-expense-sends-warning-to-employers-over-workplace-culture-1421125.html and of course the Cruise Ship.

"An Irish man is taking a civil claim against a cruise company alleging he was the victim of racial harassment as a result of being the butt of jokes told by comedians on board their shop.

David Wolfe, 74, a retired builder from Dublin, claims the jokes, which allegedly stereotyped Irish people, were deeply offensive and left him feeling humiliated. He complained to P&O after he and his wife Joan were on board a worldwide cruise on the Oriana five years ago.

During the trip, he claimed that two comedians entertained passengers by telling a series of Irish jokes in their routines. After allegedly receiving reassurances from the company such jokes would be banned and the Wolfes were given £1,000 of vouchers to spend, they were shocked to hear similar jokes when they took another P&O cruise in 2008 - to the Caribbean on board the Artemis."

Wolfe is pursuing a civil claim against Carnival Plc - the owners of P&O - under race relations legislation as well as the European Union's race directive - a ruling which sets out the principle of equal treatment between persons irrespective of racial or ethnic origin.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/the-northerner/2012/may/03/cruise-ship-irish-racism-claim

Death and Taxes

The Aussie wrote: »

The Britsh judicial system would disagree with your moral compass on this one, and so do I TBH.

"A Northern Irishman driven from his job because he refused to laugh along with Irish jokes and taunts has won pounds 6,000 compensation after an industrial tribunal ruled that he was a victim of racial discrimination.
The unanimous ruling in favour of Trevor McAuley, often dubbed a 'typical thick Paddy', was said to be the first case of its kind involving racist abuse against the Irish."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/irish-victim-of-racist-jokes-awarded-pounds-6000-landmark-tribunal-ruling-over-taunts-at-machinists-expense-sends-warning-to-employers-over-workplace-culture-1421125.html and of course the Cruise Ship.

"An Irish man is taking a civil claim against a cruise company alleging he was the victim of racial harassment as a result of being the butt of jokes told by comedians on board their shop.

David Wolfe, 74, a retired builder from Dublin, claims the jokes, which allegedly stereotyped Irish people, were deeply offensive and left him feeling humiliated. He complained to P&O after he and his wife Joan were on board a worldwide cruise on the Oriana five years ago.

During the trip, he claimed that two comedians entertained passengers by telling a series of Irish jokes in their routines. After allegedly receiving reassurances from the company such jokes would be banned and the Wolfes were given £1,000 of vouchers to spend, they were shocked to hear similar jokes when they took another P&O cruise in 2008 - to the Caribbean on board the Artemis."

Wolfe is pursuing a civil claim against Carnival Plc - the owners of P&O - under race relations legislation as well as the European Union's race directive - a ruling which sets out the principle of equal treatment between persons irrespective of racial or ethnic origin.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/the-northerner/2012/may/03/cruise-ship-irish-racism-claim

Your example is wholly consistant with my definition, he was denied access to a safe and respectful working enviroment on the basis of his nationality, that is discrimination.

The Aussie

So in both cases Irish Jokes were found to be descriminatory, which is wholly consistent with my point. :pac:

Death and Taxes

The Aussie wrote: »

So in both cases Irish Jokes were found to be descriminatory, which is wholly consistent with my point. :pac:

I suggest you read your own post again, one was found to be discriminatory, the other was found to be harrassing, different things. Both deplorable, but completely different things.

The Aussie

WileyCoyote wrote: »

I suggest you read your own post again, one was found to be discriminatory.

Verses original sentiment of

WileyCoyote wrote: »

"Jokes" made on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, religion etc can be very offensive, but they do not constitute discrimination..

Your faux moral compass seems out of kilter with modern thinking.
Racist jokes are Discriminatory.
I fail to see how it can be argued otherwise.

mikemac1

Says the man in Paddyville ^^^^^^

The Aussie

mikemac1 wrote: »

Says the man in Paddyville ^^^^^^

Co Paddy.
Paddyville.
Paddyland.

That's an address I was given when I asked one day when I was trying to get an address on here

So I changed it from "In the magdalene Laundry with ya Ma"

Death and Taxes

The Aussie wrote: »

Verses original sentiment of




Your faux moral compass seems out of kilter with modern thinking.
Racist jokes are Discriminatory. a form of Harassment
I fail to see how it can be argued otherwise.

Fixed your post, no need to thank me:)

Chinasea

The Aussie wrote: »

descrimination happens no matter what race you are, where you are from even gender preference.

I’m not seeing anything funny in this at all. Trying to equate some tasteless jokes with the sad state of affairs that we have in this country with regards to proven discrimination is pathetic and a cheap shot at diverting the point.

Perhaps instead of leafing through your book of 'jokes' try reading the link to the attached report below, and for one moment imagine what it must be like to be one of the people in this country living in fear for their lives because of their skin colour.

FYI:
The Equality Authority and ESRI have jointly published a report December 2012 ‘Analysing the Experience of Discrimination in Ireland’ and it shows that there has been in increase in “serious discrimination” against black people in Ireland. The Most Common Occasion for Discrimination was while Seeking Work".

Sadly, The study is a follow up to a similar survey in 2004 and while there is relatively little change overall, there was a rise in serious discrimination: of those who reported discrimination, the percentage reporting that it had a serious effect on their lives increased from 25% in 2004 to 32% in 2010. The figures were based on an analysis of the Central Statistics Office’s Quarterly National Household Survey from 2010 which questioned people about their experiences of discrimination.

“Discrimination remains an enormous challenge to Irish society, said Renee Dempsey, CEO of the Equality Authority ".

Super-Rush

We are so done with this thread.