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Black People Feel Most Discriminated against

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  • #692
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,232 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Reality is if we were all the same colour people would still be prejudice. It would just be in forms of class or where you're from or whatever.

    It's sad. It really is a sad truth about people.... people are animals. We might not want to admit that. But people are.


  • #693
    stoneill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭stoneill


    In my limited encounters with black people over the years I have witnessed a small number of them pull the racist card first, even when unwarranted.


    Examples include

    A post office worker accused of racism when child allowance was not received as the notification form was not completed.

    A traffic warden was accused of racism as he put a ticket on a car that was parked illegally.

    A local football club was accused of racism when a child was not allowed play as both membership and subs were not paid for 10 months.

    A bus driver accused of racism when he asked a person to stand aside to let a mother take a buggy off the bus.

    A manager of an under 10 team accused of racism when a child was subbed during a match, despite a continuous rotation of kids on and off the field during the match.

    A bank worker accused of racism when a person skipped a queue, headed straight to bureau de change to do personal banking and was asked to wait in the correct queue.

    A fish and chip shop owner accused of racism when he served a customer who wanted a bag of chips ahead of another customer who wanted fish with his chips. The fish wasn't ready.

    As I said this is a small number over the years, so it is not a generalisation. However as these type of incidents remain in the minds of people who witness them, then all people from the same ethnic background gets associated with the incidents.
    Bad people from any background makes society as a whole bad for everybody.


  • #694
    markas
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 180 ✭✭markas


    Nodin wrote: »
    France has never practiced multiculturalism.


    Since colonial times. But I have no experience living there myself. Just relay on opinions of people supposedly better informed. Take the first one
    www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2011/February/Frances-Sarkozy-Multiculturalism-Has-Failed/


  • #695
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    0066ad wrote: »
    What's that got to do with the question?

    Have you had political training in ofuscation, complication and obscurity?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #696
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    Reality is if we were all the same colour people would still be prejudice. It would just be in forms of class or where you're from or whatever.

    It's sad. It really is a sad truth about people.... people are animals. We might not want to admit that. But people are.

    I accept the reality that prejudice exists
    I don't accept that it should

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #697
    Squ
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    Could dubs be considered an ethnic group?

    If yes, then we'd have to be up there with the most discriminated group..

    Been listening to the anti dub stuff all my life. Seems to be the only racisim thats socially acceptable in Ireland


  • #698
    The Aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    Squ wrote: »
    Could dubs be considered an ethnic group?

    If yes, then we'd have to be up there with the most discriminated group..

    Been listening to the anti dub stuff all my life. Seems to be the only racisim thats socially acceptable in Ireland

    Kerry jokes.
    Norrie jokes (north spiders of Cork City)
    Limerick stabbing jokes.

    All fairly derogatory towards minority groups of the same race, and used to discriminate against.


  • #699
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    We culchies just love to invade your homeland in the Pale and steal your jobs and your girlfriends and boyfriends :p

    We give out constantly about the place.

    We also refuse to integrate and adapt, our young 'uns will wear the colours of our native tribe.
    Hon Tipp!

    We rub your noses in it when we win Sam Maguire and Liam McCarthy

    And if we lose our jobs we go to your welfare offices and claim!


  • #700
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The Aussie wrote: »
    Kerry jokes.
    Norrie jokes (north spiders of Cork City)
    Limerick stabbing jokes.

    All fairly derogatory towards minority groups of the same race, and used to discriminate against.

    Explain where the discrimination is? give us examples please?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #701
    mikemac1
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    Post was missing a smilie perhaps?

    You're taking it a bit seriously


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  • #702
    The Aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    mango salsa wrote: »
    Explain where the discrimination is? give us examples please?

    Ok, standard Kerry joke is designed to make the Kerryman out to be thick as pig SH!t, is describing someone as stupid because of their birthplace not discrimination?


  • #703
    The Aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    Post was missing a smilie perhaps?

    You're taking it a bit seriously

    Your right, I don't mind playing with the local wildlife though :pac:


  • #704
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The Aussie wrote: »
    Ok, standard Kerry joke is designed to make the Kerryman out to be thick as pig SH!t, is describing someone as stupid because of their birthplace not discrimination?

    No that's not discrimination

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #705
    iPink
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭iPink


    markas wrote: »

    Great Britain, France, Germany, Russia... pretty much everywhere around the globe. Just look deeper into history. Imperialism, collonialism, even now its all about wealth, getting richer, not civilisation, democracy or civil rights.

    I wonder where Irish will emigrate when Australlia is boght out by Chinese.. the next free piece of land is the Moon (not too long)


    Canada...


  • #706
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Kerryman jokes don't show they as stupid

    It's the opposite, Kerrymen are cute hoors :cool:


  • #707
    The Aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    mango salsa wrote: »
    No that's not discrimination

    Yes that is descrimination, you do know what it is don't you.

    So what your saying is that the Paddy the Irishman jokes of the 80's on UK building sites were just banter


  • #708
    The Aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    Kerryman jokes don't show they as stupid

    It's the opposite, Kerrymen are cute hoors :cool:

    Yeh there are some that are aimed at the cute hooredness (is that even a word).
    These are more the ilk I was thinking of.

    How do you recognize a Kerryman on an oil rig?
    He's the one throwing crusts of bread to the helicopters.

    Have you heard about the Kerryman whose library was burned down?
    Both books were destroyed, and worse still, one hadn't even been coloured in.

    A Kerryman who went to London was shown great kindness by a Pakistani bus conductor.
    As he stepped off the bus, he said "Thank you very much sir, and I hope your head
    gets better soon".

    How do you make a Kerryman laugh on a Monday morning?
    Tell him a joke on Friday evening.

    A Kerryman was attacked by a robber and put up a spirited fight before parting with
    his purse which contained only 15c.
    "You mean to tell me you put up all that struggle, all for 15c?"
    "No," said the Kerryman, "I thought you were after the E50 i've hidden in my left
    shoe".

    What do you call a Kerryman on a bicycle?
    A dope peddler.

    A fellow was explaining to a Kerryman how nature sometimes compensates for a
    person's deficiences.
    "For example", he told him, "if a man is deaf, he may have keener sight, and if a
    man is blind, he may have a very keen sense of smell".
    "I think i see what you mean", said the Kerryman, "I've often noticed that if a man
    has one short leg, then the other one is always a bit longer".

    A Kerryman went to insure his car and paid E20 to have it insured against fire.
    "For E10 more sir", said the agent, "you can insure it against theft also".
    "That would be a waste of money", said the Kerryman, "who would want to steal a
    burning car?"

    Have you heard about the Kerryman who drove his new car over the cliff?
    He wanted to test the air-brakes.

    Two Kerrymen were passing by a nudist colony, so they decided to peep in over the
    wall and see what was going on inside. So one Kerryman stood on the other's
    shoulders.
    "Are there men and women there?" asked the lower Kerryman.
    "I can't tell", said the upper Kerryman, "they've got no clothes on".

    Kerry workman to his workmate: "Don't come down that ladder, Mick. I've taken it
    away".

    A Kerryman got a job as a lumberjack, but try as he might, he couldn't meet his
    quota of fifty trees a day. By chance he saw an ad in a shop window for chainsaws
    'guaranteed to fell 60 trees a day'. So he bought one, but the best he could manage was forty trees a day.
    So he took it back to the shop and complained that there must be something wrong
    with it.
    "Let me look at it", said the man in the shop. So he took the chainsaw and switched
    it on.
    "What's that noise?" said the Kerryman.

    A Kerryman wrote the following letter to the editor of a newspaper:
    Dear Sir,
    Last week I lost my gold pocket watch, so yesterday I put in an ad in your LOST AND FOUND columns. Last night I found the watch in the trousers of
    my other suit. God bless your newspaper.

    What is the thinnest book in the world?
    The Kerry book of knowledge.


  • #709
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    0066ad wrote: »
    I'll state my opinion no problem multiculturalism has been proven not to
    work, all it does is form ghettos and segregation and that's not good for
    any society
    0066ad wrote: »
    The question was asking for my opinion so i gave it, now can you prove
    me wrong and tell me in which country multiculturalism has worked?
    pontia wrote: »
    its a valid question,name a country where it has worked ? uk ,france and germany have all said it failed

    Canada. The first country to officially adopt Multiculturalism.
    France on the other hand has no shortage of ghettos but has never been a multicultural state, the official policy of France is that it is integrationist.


  • #710
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The Aussie wrote: »
    Yes that is descrimination, you do know what it is don't you.

    So what your saying is that the Paddy the Irishman jokes of the 80's on UK building sites were just banter

    Of course I understand what discrimination is. I'm not sure if you do.

    Kerryman jokes are not discrimination. Kerry people are jot refused jobs because they are from kerry etc

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #711
    The Aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    mango salsa wrote: »
    Of course I understand what discrimination is. I'm not sure if you do.

    Kerryman jokes are not discrimination. Kerry people are jot refused jobs because they are from kerry etc

    If you can't see that jokes and humour can be used as a form of descrimination to dehumanise as a form of Classism, then I know for a fact that you have no idea in the world what descrimination is (claim other wise all you want there champ), as for jobs where did that come from we are talking about Origin Descrimination Jokes, nice try at fogging though.


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  • #712
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The Aussie wrote: »
    If you can't see that jokes and humour can be used as a form of descrimination to dehumanise as a form of Classism, then I know for a fact that you have no idea in the world what descrimination is (claim other wise all you want there champ), as for jobs where did that come from we are talking about Origin Descrimination Jokes, nice try at fogging though.

    What is this? some crude attempt to prove that kerrymen are more discriminated against more than black people? an attempt to prove that kerrymen are refused jobs because they are from Kerry? an attempt to prove that kerrymen are beaten up and viciously assaulted physically and verbally because they are from Kerry?

    I don't think you actually truly under what discrimination means!

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #713
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    markas wrote: »
    Since colonial times. But I have no experience living there myself. Just relay on opinions of people supposedly better informed. Take the first one
    www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2011/February/Frances-Sarkozy-Multiculturalism-Has-Failed/

    My cat is better informed than Christian Broadcast News.

    If Sarkozy said Sharia law had failed, does that mean they have Sharia law in France?


  • #714
    IamtheWalrus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    All black people are black imho.


  • #715
    The Aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    mango salsa wrote: »
    What is this? some crude attempt to prove that kerrymen are more discriminated against more than black people? an attempt to prove that kerrymen are refused jobs because they are from Kerry? an attempt to prove that kerrymen are beaten up and viciously assaulted physically and verbally because they are from Kerry?

    Ok, I will try and sort this out slowly for you in chronological order, firstly.
    Squ wrote: »
    Could dubs be considered an ethnic group?

    If yes, then we'd have to be up there with the most discriminated group..

    Been listening to the anti dub stuff all my life. Seems to be the only racisim thats socially acceptable in Ireland

    Then you took umberance with this from me.
    The Aussie wrote: »
    Kerry jokes.
    Norrie jokes (north spiders of Cork City)
    Limerick stabbing jokes.

    All fairly derogatory towards minority groups of the same race, and used to discriminate against.

    Your reply.
    mango salsa wrote: »
    Explain where the discrimination is? give us examples please?

    And mine, I have not lost you yet have I.
    The Aussie wrote: »
    Ok, standard Kerry joke is designed to make the Kerryman out to be thick as pig SH!t, is describing someone as stupid because of their birthplace not discrimination?

    And like a tennis match your reply.
    mango salsa wrote: »
    No that's not discrimination

    With a few other replys on this page (48).
    Do you need me go go through that again I've got all day.
    BTW, nice edit starting to come across as a "yes you do, no you don't" debater, descrimination happens no matter what race you are, where you are from even gender preference.


  • #716
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The Aussie wrote: »
    Ok, I will try and sort this out slowly for you in chronological order, firstly.



    Then you took umberance with this from me.



    Your reply.



    And mine, I have not lost you yet have I.



    And like a tennis match your reply.



    With a few other replys on this page (48).
    Do you need me go go through that again I've got all day.
    BTW, nice edit starting to come across as a "yes you do, no you don't" debater, descrimination happens no matter what race you are, where you are from even gender preference.

    Clearly you actually really don't understand what discrimination is!

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #717
    The Aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    mango salsa wrote: »
    Clearly you actually really don't understand what discrimination is!

    And the Tennis continues, you might get a point one day, I will just quote my earlier post for convience.

    The Aussie wrote: »
    If you can't see that jokes and humour can be used as a form of descrimination to dehumanise as a form of Classism, then I know for a fact that you have no idea in the world what descrimination is (claim other wise all you want there champ), as for jobs where did that come from we are talking about Origin Descrimination Jokes, nice try at fogging though.

    No you don't, no you don't....:D


  • #718
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The Aussie wrote: »
    And the Tennis continues, you might get a point one day, I will just quote my earlier post for convience.




    No you don't, no you don't....:D

    I read your post earlier. There is no act of discrimination in kerryman jokes.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #719
    The Aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    mango salsa wrote: »
    I read your post earlier. There is no act of discrimination in kerryman jokes.

    So by your "working theory" is there no descrimination in Irish Jokes then???


  • #720
    pontia
    Site Banned Posts: 385 ✭✭pontia


    mango salsa wrote: »
    Explain where the discrimination is? give us examples please?
    what sort of nonsense is this ? the only purpose yourself and nodin have is to quote people and give a smart arsed reply,boring baiting


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  • #721
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    The Aussie wrote: »
    So by your "working theory" is there no descrimination in Irish Jokes then???

    "Jokes" made on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, religion etc can be very offensive, but they do not constitute discrimination.
    Discrimination occurs where an individual or group are treated less favourably in the provision of either public or private goods or services, or suffer a greater tariff when obtaining them.
    Discrimination is not confined to race it can also be on the grouds of gender, sexuality, religious belief, age etc.
    I hope that helps clear up the difference between offensive remarks/ and discrimination.


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