'Racist ' Comments

FTA69 · 18-07-2013 02:07PM

crockholm wrote: »

Genuinely interested in this topic,and I'm aware that you cannot de facto speak for "the black community", but would the "N" word,because of it's historical and social connotations therefore be less barbed were it 1) said by a Chinese man, 2) said about a black person who was not the descendant of Slaves ?

Obviously the labelling of black people as subhuman apes isn't limited to whites alone. For instance Bangladeshis around where I am sometimes refer to black people as "bunder" which is Sylheti for "monkey"; I imagine the Chinese have a similar term. Similarly blacks calling Chinese people "chinks" is unacceptable.

Basically using anti-black racial slurs is wrong, but when you're black yourself the context obviously changes. A concept some people are unable to grasp.

Ush1 · 18-07-2013 02:08PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Right so give me some examples when a white person calls a black person a n*gger in a non-racist sense? The word was used by white society as a form of oppression, that was the whole purpose of the word. It was a tool of white oppression and the vast, vast majority of times a white person used it was to remind blacks of their inferior social standing.

Blacks don't use the word in the same manner. And even then many black people hate the use of the word. "N*gger" in a white context is inherently racist, black people use it in a different sense. Unless of course they're being racist against themselves? :rolleyes:

So you don't think black people can use the word n*gger in a derogatory sense?

major bill · 18-07-2013 02:08PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

major bill wrote: »

I am far from being PC but this is nonsense. An Irish man calling a group "Paddies" is not the same as an Englishman.

And American blacks use the N word with an a at the end.

Even if its said in the same joking context?

As for Nigga? google the teacher in America saying that back to a student and see the ridiculous nature of media attention it got.

If Black people are so offended by the word then they should stop using it themselves, chip on shoulder comes to mind!!

jimgoose · 18-07-2013 02:09PM

Ush1 wrote: »

So you don't think black people can use the word n*gger in a derogatory sense?

Here - this should explain evetything:

Ush1 · 18-07-2013 02:10PM

jimgoose wrote: »

Here - this should explain evetything:

Just what I was thinking.:)

FTA69 · 18-07-2013 02:10PM

Ush1 wrote: »

So you don't think black people can use the word n*gger in a derogatory sense?

Not in the same way no. It's used in a different manner and serves a different purpose. Same word, different connotations.

FTA69 · 18-07-2013 02:11PM

Ush1 wrote: »

Just what I was thinking.:)

Do you realise he stopped doing that routine after stupid people then thought it gave them the right to use the word "n*gger" when referring to black people.

A lot of the stuff here really is classic facepalm material.

sbsquarepants · 18-07-2013 02:11PM

FTA69 wrote: »

The word is the epitome of white supremacy, that's why white people can't use it. White supremacy can't be divorced from the word. In what possible context could a white person call a black person "n*gger" in a non-racist sense?.

In the same context that i when my mate paulie phones me i answer with "alright fatso" it's not an insult. If he was black i may just as well answer with "what's up nígger?"

FTA69 wrote: »

Eh, no it wouldn't.

How can you say that? Who are you to speak for my imaginary black friend?:D

Ush1 · 18-07-2013 02:13PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Not in the same way no. It's used in a different manner and serves a different purpose. Same word, different connotations.

How exactly? How is Eminem saying the word in a rap song any different to Dr.Dre exactly? The context is exactly the same.

jimgoose · 18-07-2013 02:14PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Do you realise he stopped doing that routine after stupid people then thought it gave them the right to use the word "n*gger" when referring to black people.

A lot of the stuff here really is classic facepalm material.

The point for me, Grasshopper, is that the vast majority of "Niggaz" I've encountered have been pure Whitebread hon-kaaaaaaaayyy. :cool:

FTA69 · 18-07-2013 02:14PM

Ush1 wrote: »

How exactly? How is Eminem saying the word in a rap song any different to Dr.Dre exactly? The context is exactly the same.

Eminem never uses the word. Because he knows full well it's not on for a white person to refer to a black person like that. Point me out where he says it?

Irish Guitarist · 18-07-2013 02:15PM

gramar wrote: »

Why are they called Pakis if they're from India?
If it's used to identuify someone in a non-offensive way then I don't see the problem.

People use my nationality all of the time to identify me but it's not offensive.

It's a derogatory term used to describe someone from South East Asia, not solely Pakistan. The proper name for someone from Pakistan would be Pakistani. I don't think I've ever heard anyone use the word paki in a non offensive manner.

Ush1 · 18-07-2013 02:16PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Do you realise he stopped doing that routine after stupid people then thought it gave them the right to use the word "n*gger" when referring to black people.

A lot of the stuff here really is classic facepalm material.

There was people referring to it long before he did that routine.

Dialogue from Boyz n the Hood where a black police officer is portrayed as racist against black people.

I fired at him with my piece, and he ran away.
- You didn't get him? - Lf I did, he'd be laid out here.
- Is there anything missing? - No.
Good, no need to make out a report.
- Got a 415 on Florence between Vermont and Normandie.
Too bad you didn't get him.
Be one less ****** out here we have to worry about.
Hey, little man, how you doing?
Go on in the house, Tre. Go on.
- Something wrong? - Something wrong? Yeah.
It's just too bad you don't know what it is...
...brother.

major bill · 18-07-2013 02:17PM

Ush1 wrote: »

How exactly? How is Eminem saying the word in a rap song any different to Dr.Dre exactly? The context is exactly the same.

Don't bother us Honky's can't grasp it

FTA69 · 18-07-2013 02:17PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

In the same context that i when my mate paulie phones me i answer with "alright fatso" it's not an insult. If he was black i may just as well answer with "what's up nígger?"

How can you say that? Who are you to speak for my imaginary black friend?:

Because you just wouldn't. I'm not black myself, but I've enough experience in working and socialising with them to know that calling them n*ggers isn't on really. (Can't believe I've to actually explain this btw) I'm not saying that colour doesn't feature into banter between friends but it isn't acceptable to generally throw the word around the gaff and not expect a negative reaction.

FTA69 · 18-07-2013 02:19PM

Ush1 wrote: »

There was people referring to it long before he did that routine.

Dialogue from Boyz n the Hood where a black police officer is portrayed as racist against black people.

More self-hating, internalised racism. The same way Irish people back in the day scorned the Irish language and encouraged their kids to only speak English because they associated Irish with backwardness and ignorance.

That scene is a far cry from "what's up nigga".

Ush1 · 18-07-2013 02:25PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Eminem never uses the word. Because he knows full well it's not on for a white person to refer to a black person like that. Point me out where he says it?

Are you for real???

http://www.lyricsty.com/eminem-nigga-lyrics.html

I could point you to multiple songs but you're seriously talking through your hoop at this stage.

Ush1 · 18-07-2013 02:28PM

FTA69 wrote: »

More self-hating, internalised racism. The same way Irish people back in the day scorned the Irish language and encouraged their kids to only speak English because they associated Irish with backwardness and ignorance.

That scene is a far cry from "what's up nigga".

Call it what you like it is racism, he just happens to be of the race he is racist against. You said black people can't use the term in a derogatory sense and I just illustrated they certainly can.

FTA69 · 18-07-2013 02:29PM

You're actually full of it. That's a chorus in a song on a mix tape he's doing a verse in. He doesn't use it once in his own verse. He's famous for not using the word actually.

You haven't a clue.

FTA69 · 18-07-2013 02:32PM

Ush1 wrote: »

Call it what you like it is racism, he just happens to be of the race he is racist against. You said black people can't use the term in a derogatory sense and I just illustrated they certainly can.

It's a black man with internalised racism. That's the point of the whole scene like, to show how black people have internalised hatred for themselves.

If you think that's the same thing as using "nigga" in a rap tune then you're deluded as f*ck to be honest. If you think you have the right to call blacks n*ggers then crack on. I'm sure they'll put you right themselves.

moneyman · 18-07-2013 02:34PM

Ush1 wrote: »

Are you for real???

http://www.lyricsty.com/eminem-nigga-lyrics.html

I could point you to multiple songs but you're seriously talking through your hoop at this stage.

Nah, you googled that and haven't really got a clue what you're talking about. He never uses the word. I can't believe people are willing to overlook context. Whether people like it or not, white and black people do not have the same histories (at least not in the context of this discussion), which means abnormalities like the "n***a" debate do legitimately exist.

Despite attempting to do the opposite, you're actually being incredibly PC, trying to insist that everyone is the same. FTA69 is spot on, and I have no idea how people can't see that.

crockholm · 18-07-2013 02:36PM

Would it be deemed as offensive if the black person was not the direct descendant of Trans-Atlantic Slaves?

Ush1 · 18-07-2013 02:40PM

FTA69 wrote: »

You're actually full of it. That's a chorus in a song on a mix tape he's doing a verse in. He doesn't use it once in his own verse. He's famous for not using the word actually.

You haven't a clue.

Check the song Foolish Pride then. You haven't explained the difference of context either.

Ush1 · 18-07-2013 02:44PM

FTA69 wrote: »

It's a black man with internalised racism. That's the point of the whole scene like, to show how black people have internalised hatred for themselves.

If you think that's the same thing as using "nigga" in a rap tune then you're deluded as f*ck to be honest. If you think you have the right to call blacks n*ggers then crack on. I'm sure they'll put you right themselves.

Where did I say it's the same as using the word in a rap song exactly? You said it can't be used by black people in a derogatory way and it can.

It's really that simple.

I don't use that word, where would you get idea that I do? I'm saying it's a negative word for anyone to use.

sbsquarepants · 18-07-2013 02:47PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Because you just wouldn't. I'm not black myself, but I've enough experience in working and socialising with them to know that calling them n*ggers isn't on really. (Can't believe I've to actually explain this btw) I'm not saying that colour doesn't feature into banter between friends but it isn't acceptable to generally throw the word around the gaff and not expect a negative reaction.

It's surprising that in all your working and socialising with black people you haven't noticed that they are individuals, not the borg with suntans. You can say irish people will take offence at being called paddys, but it's a generalisation not a set in stone law.
To claim it is impossible for a white person to use the word nígger without it being an insult, while black people routinely do so is just plainly ridiculous.

Ush1 · 18-07-2013 02:50PM

moneyman wrote: »

Nah, you googled that and haven't really got a clue what you're talking about. He never uses the word. I can't believe people are willing to overlook context. Whether people like it or not, white and black people do not have the same histories (at least not in the context of this discussion), which means abnormalities like the "n***a" debate do legitimately exist.

Despite attempting to do the opposite, you're actually being incredibly PC, trying to insist that everyone is the same. FTA69 is spot on, and I have no idea how people can't see that.

I'm not trying to say everyone is the same or being PC. I'm saying it should be a negative term in any context, same as any number of racial slurs. The reason it's divisive is because it's supposed to be.

kaimera · 18-07-2013 02:51PM

A racist comment would be "that door is painted white instead of black cos it works"

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Can't be racist against white people. O.o

FTA69 · 18-07-2013 02:52PM

Ush1 wrote: »

Check the song Foolish Pride then. You haven't explained the difference of context either.

You're really grasping now. Get off google, you don't know what you're on about. 1) he doesn't use "n*gger" in that song (which is your argument debunked on that front.) 2) he was 15 when he made it and 3) he got ribbed for the racist comments he made on the tape when it came out.

You haven't explained the difference of context either.

I have. Multiple times. N*gger is a word used by whites to denigrate blacks and remind them of their position as second-class people. It was a tool of social supremacy. When blacks use the term it isn't with that view in mind, unless of course that black person is trying to emulate white racism. Like our friend in Boyz N The Hood.

The different context is that you're white and therefore you saying it will have different connotations to the black person hearing it. Because that's how history played out unfortunately. Don't worry though, you aren't necessarily hard done by because you can't call black people n*ggers.

caustic 1 · 18-07-2013 02:52PM

If I call someone black it's because they are and it as not meant as a derogatory term, same way as I would say black haired or red haired, I honesty believe the PC way is a step to far sometimes I mean where do you stop. will it be that we can not use colours to describe things in the long run. In playschool you cannot sing Baa baa black sheep anymore, it was deemed inappropriate.

FTA69 · 18-07-2013 02:54PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

It's surprising that in all your working and socialising with black people you haven't noticed that they are individuals, not the borg with suntans. You can say irish people will take offence at being called paddys, but it's a generalisation not a set in stone law.
To claim it is impossible for a white person to use the word nígger without it being an insult, while black people routinely do so is just plainly ridiculous.

The one pretty universal thing you can say about blacks is that they don't like being called n*ggers by white people. But maybe I'm the paternalistic racist here? :rolleyes:

Perhaps you could give me an example where whites call black people n*ggers in a non-racist context?