Geordie bouncer bodyslams man, caught on camera

Smidge

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

And that won't stop some people.
If a bouncer sees someone on the ground and someone stomping on their skull would you tell him to stay at his door and just watch?

Not much point in that.
It'll probably be his bouncer mate doing the stomping.

josip

MonaPizza wrote: »

What my employers trained me to do, i.e. use minimum force (not maximum which is what you seem to orgasm on) to keep the people in the club/pub who I am charged to protect, keep safe, and to keep undesirable clientele from attempting to gain access) Beyond the bounds of this simple task my workspace is confined to the premises wherein I am employed. Venture beyond the confines of said place of emploi negates my duties as security personnel. Engagement in affray, assault forthwith is prosecutable bereft of professional sanction and certainly beyond legal protection.

Does that COMPUTE?

I doubt that you'd use minimum force because your language and tone here are more escalatory than concilatory.

P.Walnuts

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

1. No you don't.

We've all said the second bouncer failed his mate, thats a given.. So how would you have dealt one on one with a violent punter?.. Me, I'd most likely have dumped him too.. So come on, you just said you know what a bouncers job entails so with your experience of working the doors and dealing with violent punters what would you have done?..

(btw I'm not really taking you serious at all but come on and I'll entertain you all the same).

I thought all bouncers were trained professionals, trained to restrain people in a (relatively) safe manner.

Guess not.

If your only course of action is to get into a street fight with the guy, then a bouncer you ain't.

bumper234

P.Walnuts wrote: »

I thought all bouncers were trained professionals, trained to restrain people in a (relatively) safe manner.

Guess not.

If your only course of action is to get into a street fight with the guy, then a bouncer you ain't.

Trained by who?

bumper234

20Cent wrote: »

Lifting another man in the air and smashing his head into concrete. Steroids cause rage and aggression. All those meathead guys use them.

The guy is not particularly big and is wearng a jacket, what makes you think he is a "meathead" on steroids? Adrenalin will give you strength you never knew you had.

20Cent wrote: »

Of course. Most people don't smash others headfirst into the pavement though. Real professional bouncers can't stand fella's like that puts them all in danger. Don't need a psycho on the door with them.

Where is your evidence the doorman is a psycho?

Dempsey wrote: »

Should you being a bouncer concern me?

LOL, what an ego trip! I'm well aware of what a bouncers job entails, thanks :rolleyes:

I would probably have worked with the other bouncer to restrain him and call the police. I think thats a fairly obvious way to handle the situation. I certainly wouldnt have done what he did. How would you have dealt with the situation?

Did you watch the video? It has been pointed out several times and is plain to see that the second doorman does nothing, You say it's an obvious way to deal with it but if you're in that situation where for whatever reason your backup fails then what do you do? What would YOU have done?

Dempsey wrote: »

:rolleyes:

The video and this hypothetical scenario have little in common, its a lame strawman argument. How a bouncer would handle a 1v1 situation with a dangerous drunk doesnt give any justification for what that bouncer did in the circumstances he faced. Somehow, the two of you think it does! Explain that one?

The circumstances where he has been repeatedly attacked you mean?

wprathead wrote: »

Because that is the only two options available..

I don't know, you are the bouncer, what does your training say you do in this situation? (Bare in mind, it is not "one on one" as there is a second bouncer available)

What training are you talking about here? Also i will point out yet again that the second security guy is not doing anything to help.

One thing that they have in England is called taxi bouncers. These are security guys who are hired by the county council to marshal the people queuing for taxi's so the second guy could be one of those. He could also be a security guard from the local burger joint and that's why he didn,t get involved, we don't see his badge so we cannot say for sure.

bumper234

MonaPizza wrote: »

End of story?

I'm sure my meagre training in Wado-Ryu to the level of 4th Kyu may not save me from Maikokomis ear-biting and eye-gouging savagery but that doesn't qualify him to be an artist. And sneering at the destruction of an opponent qualifies him only as a hooligan.

And you "know" so much about the real world yet you spend half your diatribe guessing or wondering or speculating what might have happened. Shoddy speak for someone whose knowledge and experience is rooted in the "real world".

So if you were attacked by someone you would use rules, you would pull punches and kicks while all of the time the other guy is trying to use " ear-biting and eye-gouging savagery"? At what point do you meet like with like? If you end up on the ground do you think the guy will walk away happy or will he continue to kick seven shades out of you?

MonaPizza wrote: »

So you're a violent thug also? And proud of it?

What would you have done if he was still conscious after you "dumped him"? Perhaps a sokuto-fumikumi to the throat? Maybe after that if there was a gasp rattling out of his windpipe you might do the "American History X" Kerb dance on him and if that didn't finish him then maybe the old "head on a stick" blade to the spine?

Self defence, and all that "grasshopper".

He would probably do what the bouncer in the video did...walked away. Again i will ask what if the situation was reversed and it was the bouncer who had been slammed? Do you think mr blue shirt would have walked away or would he have done some of your "American History X" Kerb dance on him and if that didn't finish him then maybe the old "head on a stick" blade to the spine? Defending oneself from attack does not make you a violent thug:rolleyes:

darced wrote: »

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Maybe you should watch the video again, the guy is roughly the same size as the doorman, It's also been pointed out several times that the guy had allegedly attacked the doorman several times before this incident occurred so it was not just some "mouthy drunk" shouting abuse.

Czarcasm wrote: »

In that particular situation, tbh I'd have tried to talk to the guy first instead of taking a run at him to kick him in the leg like a cissy. If the guy wasn't open to verbal negotiation, then I'd have waited for him to throw the first punch so I could then restrain him.


These are some contributions from another thread that I'll leave here and you can make of them what you will -

What's to say the bouncer has not been trying to talk the guy down for the previous 20 minutes? Waiting for someone who is obviously approaching you in a confrontational matter to throw the first punch is a sure fire way of waking up in hospital.

Dyr

poor decision making by the bouncer, but then ya train a monkey to do something then that's what they'll do

Ebr sniper

Ok I speak as a bouncer here, my brothers and father are bouncers and security is the family business. We do not see the full story of what has gone on here so we can only comment on what we see. The other security officer in all black fails in support from what we see but we are not sure what else is going on at this time that he may be keeping an out for. The bouncer from what we see is OUT OF LINE!!! He has martial arts training it is OBVIOUS to see. It's a well placed calf kick to weaken the guy in the blue shirt. The then knees him in the stomach/ribs while bringing the guy in the blue shirts head down and bringing more momentum into the strike. Then he transitions into a choke hold before he body slams the guy into the kerb. That was a well measured attack and was purely WRECKLESS as it could have easily killed the guy. The was trained and could have easily restrained the guy but instead blew a fuse and endanangered a member of the publics life. He was the sober one and should have been thinking clearer than that. He brings a bad name to bouncers and the profession. It's a very tough job and idiots like that make it tougher. NO MATTER what happened before the clip started the bouncer is the attacker and aggressor so he deserves to be punished for his actions and should never work the doors again!
That is my opinion and I'm sure people will probably disagree with me but hey that's life!

wp_rathead

SIA Training

Im assuming there is something similar in Ireland - along with risk assessments and Code of Practice done so bouncers aren't put in this situation of, what some seem tl think, body slamming is only solution

Oranage2

bumper234 wrote: »

The guy is not particularly big and is wearng a jacket, what makes you think he is a "meathead" on steroids? Adrenalin will give you strength you never knew you had.



Where is your evidence the doorman is a psycho?



Did you watch the video? It has been pointed out several times and is plain to see that the second doorman does nothing, You say it's an obvious way to deal with it but if you're in that situation where for whatever reason your backup fails then what do you do? What would YOU have done?




The circumstances where he has been repeatedly attacked you mean?





What training are you talking about here? Also i will point out yet again that the second security guy is not doing anything to help.

One thing that they have in England is called taxi bouncers. These are security guys who are hired by the county council to marshal the people queuing for taxi's so the second guy could be one of those. He could also be a security guard from the local burger joint and that's why he didn,t get involved, we don't see his badge so we cannot say for sure.

What training do bouncers get is a good question!

How do the bouncers here think running out like the karate Kid and beating a guy uconscience is better than trying to diffuse the situation and inform the guy that the police will be notified.

From reading this thread some bouncers sound like thugs who see bouncing as a platform to beat up drunks with their martial arts training.

bette

Lots of gutter wisdom being displayed here! Solomon was only an amateur compared to some of you clowns! If, if, if...

You weren't there nor do you see what is going on to the sides! The other bouncer may have been otherwise engaged. But hey, keyboard warriors, you arfe so wise in the ways of night club brawling. Did you study in Kings Inns?

bumper234

Oranage2 wrote: »

What training do bouncers get is a good question!

How do the bouncers here think running out like the karate Kid and beating a guy uconscience is better than trying to diffuse the situation and inform the guy that the police will be notified.

From reading this thread some bouncers sound like thugs who see bouncing as a platform to beat up drunks with their martial arts training.

Ok

How would you have diffused the situation when the guy is approaching you in an aggressive manner? How would you diffuse the situation when the guy has already attacked you. At what point do you stop trying to diffuse the situation and defend yourself?

Also how do you not know the police have not already been called? He coauld have asked for police assistance ten minutes before this happened but on a busy night in a city center police cannot always be there in 3 minutes.

But hey you have watched the video and saw what the bouncer did (never mind what happened in the preceding minutes right?) and that's all your closed mind will ever see.

bette

bumper234 wrote: »

But hey you have watched the video and saw what the bouncer did (never mind what happened in the preceding minutes right?) and that's all your closed mind will ever see.

Just to add to that comment; a video such as this does not show exactly what happened. The only credible video would be directly from CCTV and from a sealed unit with a genuine timeline.

Hollywood supplies us with many interesting videos which clowns take as real. For God's sake, even that machine gunned cat had people incensed!

Ebr sniper

bumper234 wrote: »

Ok

How would you have diffused the situation when the guy is approaching you in an aggressive manner? How would you diffuse the situation when the guy has already attacked you. At what point do you stop trying to diffuse the situation and defend yourself?

Also how do you not know the police have not already been called? He coauld have asked for police assistance ten minutes before this happened but on a busy night in a city center police cannot always be there in 3 minutes.

But hey you have watched the video and saw what the bouncer did (never mind what happened in the preceding minutes right?) and that's all your closed mind will ever see.

Bumper none of us will ever know everything that happened but we judge the actions we see! The doorman does not just defend himself he uses excessive force which by any letter of the law is wrong! Unfortunately taking **** from drunks is part of the every night occurance for a door man. People are entitled to they're opinion it's not a case of "closed mindedness"!

bette

Ebr sniper wrote: »

Bumper none of us will ever know everything that happened but we judge the actions we see! The doorman does not just defend himself he uses excessive force which by any letter of the law is wrong! Unfortunately taking **** from drunks is part of the every night occurance for a door man. People are entitled to they're opinion it's not a case of "closed mindedness"!

As Dirty Harry once remarked; opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one and they all stink...

bumper234

Ebr sniper wrote: »

Bumper none of us will ever know everything that happened but we judge the actions we see! The doorman does not just defend himself he uses excessive force which by any letter of the law is wrong! Unfortunately taking **** from drunks is part of the every night occurance for a door man. People are entitled to they're opinion it's not a case of "closed mindedness"!

Sniper...i agree....i cannot be insulted because no matter what someone says to me i have heard it at least 10 times before so insults are nothing, The moment someone attacks me then that's when i will use whatever force i deem necessary to ensure that i get home safely at night.

Most door men are just normal guys, with families trying to earn money, they don't have any martial arts or such training. I know for myself personally a long slow boring night was considered a successful night but on the odd occasion where i did have to use force/violence to defend myself i didn't hold back because i knew that the people attacking me were not going to.

FTA69

MonaPizza wrote: »

If you would like to broadcast the fact that you are a Martial Artist, yet gleefully rejoice in the near killing of someone out of revenge or bloodlust, then refer to yourself as a thug, not an artist.

I don't recall either him or myself "rejoicing" at your man getting a hiding. Similarly I'm NOT saying that what went on was an ideal outcome, rather the fact that we don't fully know what went on in this situation and that the best response would have been for both doormen to restrain your man on the floor.

I'm sure my meagre training in Wado-Ryu to the level of 4th Kyu may not save me

I couldn't care less how many coloured belts you have in your drawer at home to be honest. It doesn't make you any more experienced about what it's like to be in this particular situation.

And you "know" so much about the real world yet you spend half your diatribe guessing or wondering or speculating what might have happened.

I'm a former full-time doorman who did that job for long enough; which is why I can sympathise to a degree with your man IF indeed it emerges that he was repeatedly attacked prior to the filming.

Pointing out that you shouldn't write someone off as a complete maniac unless you're familiar with the full story isn't me being shoddy or guessing. It's simply pointing out the fact that I'm not fully familiar with all the facts, the same way you aren't.

I think this situation was badly handled and unfortunate, so please stop trying to portray me as a thug with a bloodlust please.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Ebr sniper wrote: »

Ok I speak as a bouncer here,

I doubt it.. You also play soldiers with airsoft toys ~ you like to make believe.

Its funny that no one here except the guys who work the doors can say how they'd have handled the punter in a different manner ~ not one!.

Oh wait, here's how!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z0_n7tGnK0

</insert rolly eyes>

bumper234

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

I doubt it.. You also play soldiers with airsoft toys ~ you like to make believe.

Its funny that no one here except the guys who work the doors can say how they'd have handled the punter in a different manner ~ not one!.

Oh wait, here's how!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z0_n7tGnK0

</insert rolly eyes>

I actually used that technique on a guy one night....ok i had just had onion rings and garlic chips maybe that had something to do with it

P.Walnuts

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

I doubt it.. You also play soldiers with airsoft toys ~ you like to make believe.

Its funny that no one here except the guys who work the doors can say how they'd have handled the punter in a different manner ~ not one!.

Oh wait, here's how!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z0_n7tGnK0

</insert rolly eyes>

Honest question, do Bouncers in Ireland not have to be trained and certified before they go on the door?

bumper234

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Honest question, do Bouncers in Ireland not have to be trained and certified before they go on the door?

They have to go on a training course but there is no physical training that teaches you how to deal with a violent person. (At least there wasn't when i did my licence).

arybvtcw0eolkf

bumper234 wrote: »

I actually used that technique on a guy one night....ok i had just had onion rings and garlic chips maybe that had something to do with it

Guinness farts work too.. btw, I'm out of this thread ~ its beyond stupid & dim.. If you have any contact for Justin or Jean I'd love to get it from you.. I'm just finishing up my lunch break, I'll PM you later..

Regards, and if you ever go back on the doors be safe.

P.Walnuts

bumper234 wrote: »

They have to go on a training course but there is no physical training that teaches you how to deal with a violent person. (At least there wasn't when i did my licence).

In this day and age where you have to go to a health and safety course to lift a bloody box in work, I think it's a bit of an oversight not to train bouncers how to safely restrain people, since that is one of the main tasks they will need to regularly complete.

truebluesac

Madisyn Ambitious Snowmobile wrote: »

Good ol' Chuck, is he still up in The Harp?.

Last time I seen him he was looking the worse for his years on the door.

Yeah he's still up there . Still drop the odd call to him but I'm off doors along time now so just drifted . Ya know how it is

dazberry

P.Walnuts wrote: »

In this day and age where you have to go to a health and safety course to lift a bloody box in work, I think it's a bit of an oversight not to train bouncers how to safely restrain people, since that is one of the main tasks they will need to regularly complete.

My wife has to regularly train in restraint techniques, once called "control and restraint", now called "care and responsibility". She doesn't work as a door person...

D.

MonstaMash

Oranage2 wrote: »

What training do bouncers get is a good question!

A FETAC Level 4 Minor Module in Door Supervisor Procedures is required for any door personnel in order to work in the industry in this country.

http://www.psa.gov.ie/Website/psa/psa.nsf/undefined/newsitems/29E2BB3D191F6EB0802571B90058F739?Opendocument

josip

dazberry wrote: »

My wife has to regularly train in restraint techniques, once called "control and restraint", now called "care and responsibility". She doesn't work as a door person...

Customer Care at Ryan Air?

truebluesac

We don't see the full story before or after the fact . The threat of immeniant force is classed as assualt whereas the act of hitting Sombody is called battery

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault

The blue topped man is the aggressor as he is verbally abuseing as he walk towards the doorman . He got his come up ins . Although the ending was a little OTT .

If this had of been 2 scummers on the side of the road we would be reading the title on you tube similar to bully gets owned or bully fail and wed all be laughing at him .

Similar to
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HX5xFwVz2tE

http://m.youtube.com/?layout=mobile&client=mv-google&ytsession=QXAf1QPTQr_MWD7SdfEfpg83xiX2xybcPk6dHFUXu32LeFqhpB22ej2UgHTznT_M1FPwpq7rxODws8z0XRtlMFaeppmcPoONHfzrAFumVi3KTa-qknX6e4y7TRCcrpPPeFrwyOydOYBHcWsc_Klyid4r1_yNKj8AYlM1RLx2iGL4u65yZJZgtKbr0h-On6V5qU8qFXbWM_P46yXfhwRC5cJ0PYp2k2D9AZP5uMFgIGFtW6B8E9Es4oNgU52I-QwgZwExzVc9I2KVx57ODg6KWg#/watch?v=9uVrWogbsPk

Tom.D.BJJ

"If the only tool you have is a hammer, you'll treat everything as if it were a nail"

bumper234

MonstaMash wrote: »

A FETAC Level 4 Minor Module in Door Supervisor Procedures is required for any door personnel in order to work in the industry in this country.

http://www.psa.gov.ie/Website/psa/psa.nsf/undefined/newsitems/29E2BB3D191F6EB0802571B90058F739?Opendocument

Yeah and this is what that course entails for your €145

Course Content
The course content is as per the FETAC Module Descriptor (Guarding Skills Level 4 - 4N1118). It is broken down into four units:

• Unit 1. Background and Theory
• Unit 2. Legislation and Regulation
• Unit 3. Retail Security
• Unit 4. Practical and Emergency Procedures

There are two skills demonstrations that each candidate must complete. Each candidate must complete 4 specific practical skills related to workplace familiarisation. There is also a practical examination at the end of the course. The examination will be based on specific learning outcomes and will be one hour in duration. The format of the examination is 40 short answer questions using the tick or cross method. 1 mark each.

What is included?
• FETAC Level 4 minor award Certificate. (No hidden certification charges!)
• Letter in a prescribed manner which enables licence application.
• All course handouts
• Experienced and highly qualified instructors.
• Licence application and instruction on next steps.
• Full back up service to all past students which includes licence application support.

FTA69

I other words you sit in a room for half a day. The bored instructor goes through a few things, you do a tick sheet questionnaire and you can send off for your license. It isn't difficult stuff.

Dempsey

bumper234 wrote: »

Did you watch the video? It has been pointed out several times and is plain to see that the second doorman does nothing, You say it's an obvious way to deal with it but if you're in that situation where for whatever reason your backup fails then what do you do? What would YOU have done?

Ah yes, I watch the video, that hows I'm able to describe what went on. I also read subsequent reports giving more information about what happened and the guys involved.

Another hypothetical situation! As I said already, a 1v1 shouldnt end with a bouncer putting a guy head first into the pavement. I keep answering the answering the question and you two keep changing the question.

How often does it happen that you ask another bouncer to help you restrain a guy and he doesnt help after you go to restrain him?

AckwelFoley

Little brat was schooled.

He'll think twice before being a tosser....thats of course if he ever remembers being a little pup.

bumper234

Dempsey wrote: »

Ah yes, I watch the video, that hows I'm able to describe what went on. I also read subsequent reports giving more information about what happened and the guys involved.

Another hypothetical situation! As I said already, a 1v1 shouldnt end with a bouncer putting a guy head first into the pavement. I keep answering the answering the question and you two keep changing the question.

How often does it happen that you ask another bouncer to help you restrain a guy and he doesnt help after you go to restrain him?

How do you know the other guy is a bouncer? You are able to describe what you see but you have no idea what happened previous to the video. You can claim it should not have happened all you like but the fact of the matter is you never have and never will be in a situation like that and therefore yo8r opinion is just that...an opinion.

bumper234

FTA69 wrote: »

I other words you sit in a room for half a day. The bored instructor goes through a few things, you do a tick sheet questionnaire and you can send off for your license. It isn't difficult stuff.

It's actually more like 3 days. My instructor was a small South African guy who had 12 years experience working security in the camera room of a Johannesburg casino. He talked about the law for 3 days and then gave us the multiple choice questions. Safe to say everyone passed.

Irlandczyk

bumper234 wrote: »

How do you know the other guy is a bouncer?

Does he not have a bouncers ID badge on his right arm? It's mentioned in the article, anyway, though it is perhaps an assumption. Seems the most likely explanation anyway.

bumper234

Irlandczyk wrote: »

Does he not have a bouncers ID badge on his right arm? It's mentioned in the article, anyway, though it is perhaps an assumption. Seems the most likely explanation anyway.

He has a security barge on. This does not make him a doorman he could be from the local burger joint or could be one of the taxi rank marshals

FTA69

bumper234 wrote: »

It's actually more like 3 days. My instructor was a small South African guy who had 12 years experience working security in the camera room of a Johannesburg casino. He talked about the law for 3 days and then gave us the multiple choice questions. Safe to say everyone passed.

Ha, mine was four hours long and was the most boring thing I ever did. I was working unlicensed for a while before that.

Dempsey

bumper234 wrote: »

How do you know the other guy is a bouncer? You are able to describe what you see but you have no idea what happened previous to the video. You can claim it should not have happened all you like but the fact of the matter is you never have and never will be in a situation like that and therefore yo8r opinion is just that...an opinion.

Are you serious?? You can see his id tag on his right arm!

You are full of shít tbh

Dempsey

Dempsey wrote: »

Are you serious?? You can see his id tag on his right arm!

You are full of shít tbh

How do you know it was a guy :P

He is deffo a bouncer.

bumper234

Dempsey wrote: »

Are you serious?? You can see his id tag on his right arm!

You are full of shít tbh

No you see a security badge on his arm....here's a little test for you....walk through town at night and look at all of the different security with badges on their arms....the badges look the same but the job is different.

Irlandczyk

bumper234 wrote: »

No you see a security badge on his arm....here's a little test for you....walk through town at night and look at all of the different security with badges on their arms....the badges look the same but the job is different.

Eeh, you sorta gave us the answer to that test before we had a chance to answer. Thanks anyway, I suppose.

Is it not within reason to believe that given he's in the area at the time, given he goes towards the fight, and given that he comes from pretty much the same direction as the bouncer involved, that he's working the same door, or even the same establishment? It actually looks like he goes to help, but at the last minute figures his partner's got this one and walks back to the door...

Dempsey

bumper234 wrote: »

No you see a security badge on his arm....here's a little test for you....walk through town at night and look at all of the different security with badges on their arms....the badges look the same but the job is different.

LOL, you were able to read the details on his arm?

Does Ireland and the UK have the same regulations?

bumper234

Dempsey wrote: »

LOL, you were able to read the details on his arm?

Does Ireland and the UK have the same regulations?

No....were you?

Dempsey

bumper234 wrote: »

No....were you?

A minute ago you were claiming he wasnt a bouncer! Now your saying that he has a different job! :rolleyes:

I never claimed to know his job description other than saying he was wearing a security id. You keep asking me if I watched the video yet you didnt spot the obvious!

chopper6

josip wrote: »

I doubt that you'd use minimum force because your language and tone here are more escalatory than concilatory.

I reckon he's telling fibs about being a bouncer in the first place.

bumper234

bumper234 wrote: »

How do you know the other guy is a bouncer? You are able to describe what you see but you have no idea what happened previous to the video. You can claim it should not have happened all you like but the fact of the matter is you never have and never will be in a situation like that and therefore yo8r opinion is just that...an opinion.

Dempsey wrote: »

Are you serious?? You can see his id tag on his right arm!

You are full of shít tbh

Deleted User wrote: »

How do you know it was a guy :P

He is deffo a bouncer.

bumper234 wrote: »

No you see a security badge on his arm....here's a little test for you....walk through town at night and look at all of the different security with badges on their arms....the badges look the same but the job is different.

Dempsey wrote: »

LOL, you were able to read the details on his arm?

Does Ireland and the UK have the same regulations?

bumper234 wrote: »

No....were you?

Dempsey wrote: »

A minute ago you were claiming he wasnt a bouncer! Now your saying that he has a different job! :rolleyes:

I never claimed to know his job description other than saying he was wearing a security id. You keep asking me if I watched the video yet you didnt spot the obvious!

I never said he wasn't a bouncer i said that is not 100% certain. Regardless of what he is or isn't the fact remains that you are preaching the bouncer should not have used that force but cannot/will not explain how it should have been handled.

Dempsey

bumper234 wrote: »

I never said he wasn't a bouncer i said that is not 100% certain. Regardless of what he is or isn't the fact remains that you are preaching the bouncer should not have used that force but cannot/will not explain how it should have been handled.

So its near impossible to restrain a guy without putting him head first into the pavement?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1abC7KtfiNM

This not work?

bumper234

Dempsey wrote: »

So its near impossible to restrain a guy without putting him head first into the pavement?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1abC7KtfiNM

This not work?

Yeah he talks a great fight doesn't he? The fact that you have linked that proves to me that you have never been in a situation like in the ops video.

Dempsey

bumper234 wrote: »

Yeah he talks a great fight doesn't he? The fact that you have linked that proves to me that you have never been in a situation like in the ops video.

Not surprised by your reaction and yet again you avoid answering my questions properly.