Tragic Dog Killed by Firework

meoklmrk91

Tegan Shallow Poplin wrote: »

So basically you remove the dog from the dog.

What's the end result?

What do you mean? Are you asking if neutering a dog changes them? If so, in my opinion no it doesn't, in some cases it makes them a bit calmer but that's about it.

OldNotWIse

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

What do you mean? Are you asking if neutering a dog changes them? If so, in my opinion no it doesn't, in some cases it makes them a bit calmer but that's about it.

possibly makes males less aggressive (if they are even that to start with) and less likely to wander. Makes females less prone to certain cancers.

OldNotWIse

ViveLaVie wrote: »

Well we won't neuter our dog at home because as reports go, the dog can end up lethargic and depressed from it. There's a problem with overpopulation in the world too and children are leading horribly lonely lives in orphanages but people don't criticise others for having their own children instead of adopting.

I think crossbreeds are lovely and I dislike this elitist idea that mixed breeds have no use. If this attitude was stamped out, maybe more people would take puppies from shelters instead of forking out for pure breeds.

Not neutering is fine if you are willing to keep the dog away from females in season, or if its a bitch, keeping her away from males at this time. You're hardly contributing to the population problem by not neutering - breeding is different. It's not like the bitch will automatically get pregnant by default because she's not done.

Dravokivich

fishy fishy wrote: »

leaving a dog on a chain with numerous pups running around coming up to the worst night of the year for dogs is abuse. tool or no tool - it should not be how an animal is treated. Anything else is just an excuse.

You are not demonstrating how it is outright abusive to chain a dog.

fishy fishy

thegreatgonzo wrote: »

I think it would be more accurate to call it neglect.

no, you neglect to take in the washing when it rains - chaining an animal is a lot more than neglect imo.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Evelyn Cusack wrote: »

after 10 years they all become extinct?

I dislike this.

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

What do you mean? Are you asking if neutering a dog changes them? If so, in my opinion no it doesn't, in some cases it makes them a bit calmer but that's about it.

I'll apply another posters logic here;

"If you don't have the time to look after your pets properly without resorting to lazy measures, then you shouldn't have pets"...

Might help YOU, but I doubt you'd like to be neutered. Why is it ok to neuter a dog? If a dog is aggressive and neutering is a cure for this aggressiveness, then it's arguably ok.

meoklmrk91

Tegan Shallow Poplin wrote: »

I dislike this.



I'll apply another posters logic here;

"If you don't have the time to look after your pets properly without resorting to lazy measures, then you shouldn't have pets"...

Might help YOU, but I doubt you'd like to be neutered. Why is it ok to neuter a dog? If a dog is aggressive and neutering is a cure for this aggressiveness, then it's arguably ok.

My dog is nuetered because at the time we were living near a puppy farm, all those bitches coming in and out of heat would have driven him crazy, I also wouldn't have to worry about him getting out and running off putting himself in danger to get to a bitch in heat.

Your view is very idealistic, we are putting thousands of dogs to sleep every year, we cannot sustain the ammount we have now, never mind if no one nuetered. It is my view that it is better for the dog, he does not seem to be adversely effected by it, he seems to be very happy, he enjoys his life, I'm sure that if vets, rescue workers or charities thought that there was something wrong with nuetering a dog then they wouldn't so whole heartedly recommend it the way they do, Dogs trust even subsidise it for gods sake.

junior_apollo

Logic goes:

A chain can be used to restrain your dog.
Yes, there are other methods of achieving this.
Using a chain is abuse in some peoples opinions.

Nuetering your dog prevents them running away, aggressiveness and p!ssing on things.
Yes, there are other methods of achieving this.
Neutering a dog is abuse in some peoples opinions.

"We can't control him... oh lets neuter him. It's for his own good"

thegreatgonzo

junior_apollo wrote: »

Nuetering your dog prevents them running away, aggressiveness and p!ssing on things.
Yes, there are other methods of achieving this.
Neutering a dog is abuse in some peoples opinions.

"We can't control him... oh lets neuter him. It's for his own good"

Just to be clear, no vet or vet nurse will tell you that it will prevent running away or aggressiveness, there are other motivations for those things besides testosterone.
However, there are health benefits and social benefits to neutering that cannot be denied.

[-0-]

Papers will print anything these days.

"Tragic dog", what was so tragic about the dog?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

[-0-] wrote: »

Papers will print anything these days.

"Tragic dog", what was so tragic about the dog?

It's death, and the manner of which the dog had passed.

Claregirl

Evelyn Cusack wrote: »

I disagree, I'd prefer to keep one on a long chain in a huge backyard than kept in a shed. But they shouldn't be chained up every night of course. In my opinion.
Maybe you shouldn't have a pet

My dog was rescued from the local pound, she's part of the family, she's been spayed, fully vaccinated and has the run of the house, she's walked twice a day every day and is the most gorgeous loveable dog with a beautiful shiny coat.

I won't say I'm the best owner in the world but at least I'm not putting my dog at risk of strangling herself.

My name is URL

[-0-] wrote: »

Papers will print anything these days.

"Tragic dog", what was so tragic about the dog?

That's one of my pet peeves

borderlinemeath

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I have a dog. It is chained more than half the time. It never gets in the house. It is considered an animal, not part of the family.

But I'll tell you so called 'dog lovers' in this thread one thing for nothing;

yous haven't a fcuking clue.

You come across more animal that the dog.

No animal should be chained up for any amount of time. It's cruel, dangerous and unnecessary. If you need to contain your dog then invest in secure fencing or a dog run.

I feel very sorry for your dog, if you're willing to keep it chained for the length of time you say it must lead a miserable existence. No animal deserves that. All dogs should have at least the following and I would be fairly certain you're not meeting the dogs behavioural needs and mental stimulation. And god knows what else given what you've admitted here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_freedoms

agreed. Mixed breeds are evolution in action. Let the dogs decide their mates - they know best, as long as you're willing to bring up the pups of course.

Do you know how ridiculous this statement is?? You know male intact dogs will mate with ANY female in heat? They don't 'decide' they can't help it, they are driven by hormones, and it's an instinctual behaviour, not indiscriminate. They don't prefer the blonde to the brunette.

How about you let a labrador (male) mate with a jack russell, or another fairly small dog?? Do you realise that a larger male mating with a smaller female can produce a pregnancy and that the resulting pups can grow so large they can kill her as she may not be able to whelp naturally and even surgical intervention can be too late.


I live locally and foster for the local rescue. The particular estate that it happened in isn't the nicest, there's parts of it that are quite rough and the local papers front headline was about the council confiscating 400 tyres and hundreds of pallets that were stacked up by the local kids/thieves/vandals in a boarded up house, presumably for use in a bonfire. What happened was a completely avoidable situation, the blame is squarely with the adults. The fact that they thought it was ok to leave dogs in a garden in a housing estate such as this and then go further by chaining the dog speaks volumes about their irresponsibility. People like this shouldn't breed dogs, pure breeds, cross breeds, or any dogs. I highly doubt these pups ever saw the inside of the house, so these pups were destined to end up with behavioral problems in the first instance, not to mention probable health issues as both breeds suffer from various issues, boxers much more so than labs.

Oh, and as I've said, I foster for the local rescue. Guess what I have right now?? A lab/boxer cross, that was found running down the road with a chain attached to his neck. He was an absolute nervous wreck when he arrived here. Terrified to approach any person, terrified to come into the house, exhibiting all sorts of traits that suggest he was completely undersocialised and ignored. He's been here 6 weeks but nobody else will take him because he's a big black dog and they get overlooked time after time. So why these people thought it was a good idea to breed more dogs like him is beyond my comprehension.

Claregirl

Tegan Shallow Poplin wrote: »

They should be thrown in jail :rolleyes:

Why would the ISPCA get involved?

10 six week old pups left outside - 1 dead after becoming entangled in the chain.

1 adult dog dead due to strangulation from the same chain.

Tegan Shallow Poplin wrote: »

The term "cruel" shouldn't be used so loosely. It's quite an inaccurate description of the adults.

Again, sensationalist use of the word. It has a very strong meaning which I believe you may misunderstand.

I've supplied the definition of cruel for you - as it would appear that you don't quite understand the meaning of the word.

cruel (ˈkruːəl Pronunciation for cruel )

Definitions
adjective

causing or inflicting pain without pity
causing pain or suffering

Tegan Shallow Poplin wrote: »

Somebody suggested a garden shed. This is quite hilarious, I think this poster also mentioned the word "cruelty"? I could be wrong there though.

The only thing you're correct on in my opinion - I mentioned the shed as one of a number of alternatives to chaining that you've completely overlooked however I meant this as a short term solution i.e. short period of time and certainly not a permanent / long term solution:rolleyes:

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Oh, and as I've said, I foster for the local rescue. Guess what I have right now?? A lab/boxer cross, that was found running down the road with a chain attached to his neck. He was an absolute nervous wreck when he arrived here. Terrified to approach any person, terrified to come into the house, exhibiting all sorts of traits that suggest he was completely undersocialised and ignored. He's been here 6 weeks but nobody else will take him because he's a big black dog and they get overlooked time after time. So why these people thought it was a good idea to breed more dogs like him is beyond my comprehension.

At least this one seems to have had a lucky escape I hope ye get to re home him to someone who'll care for him properly and give him the loving home he deserves.