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Tragic Dog Killed by Firework

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  • #62
    Knine
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    Evelyn Cusack wrote: »
    Tell me about it, people are so quick to point the finger

    There is no pointing the finger at a dog being chained up, allowed to produce more unwanted puppies with a different breed. The resulting 6 week old puppies wandering around the garden and hiding under a shed for shelter.

    Some people simply should not be allowed have dogs. The tragic result happened because of how irresponsible the owners were.


  • #63
    Evelyn Cusack
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    Knine wrote: »
    There is no pointing the finger at a dog being chained up, allowed to produce more unwanted puppies with a different breed. The resulting 6 week old puppies wandering around the garden and hiding under a shed for shelter.

    Some people simply should not be allowed have dogs. The tragic result happened because of how irresponsible the owners were.

    Some dogs are little houdinis and always manage to escape, there's nothing wrong with a chain as long as it's not a hort and permanent one.
    As i said earlier, it is irresponsible not to chain a dog during lambing season in rural areas, kinder than locking them in a shed to.

    6 week old puppies are pretty big, I wouln't be too worried about them wandering around a yard but yeah, would prefer to see them locked up at night for their own protection.

    But in general, blanket statements (as usual) that chains should never be used are wrong in my opinion.

    And why shouldn't there be mongrel pups!? Much healthier and smarter than their pedigree chums, granted, you should adopt from a shelter but I don't think you should say no one should ever have pups or else then dogs will die out


  • #64
    Knine
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    Evelyn Cusack wrote: »
    Some dogs are little houdinis and always manage to escape, there's nothing wrong with a chain as long as it's not a hort and permanent one.
    As i said earlier, it is irresponsible not to chain a dog during lambing season in rural areas, kinder than locking them in a shed to.

    6 week old puppies are pretty big, I wouln't be too worried about them wandering around a yard but yeah, would prefer to see them locked up at night for their own protection.

    But in general, blanket statements (as usual) that chains should never be used are wrong in my opinion.

    And why shouldn't there be mongrel pups!? Much healthier and smarter than their pedigree chums, granted, you should adopt from a shelter but I don't think you should say no one should ever have pups or else then dogs will die out

    That is why us responsible people have our dogs in the house or build a dog run. 6 week old puppies would not likely to be innoculated or have sense of danger or able to keep themselves warm.

    Nobody should be breeding crossbreeds while so many are dying in pounds. That is a common misconception about being healthier & smarter.

    Those dogs would certainly not have died had they been looked after properly.


  • #65
    seamus
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    Thing is, it's not really a freak accident at all.

    If you leave a dog unattended on a loose chain, there's a pretty good chance it will get the chain wrapped around itself and in the struggle to get free, will strangle itself.

    Happens more than people think. It's also been known to happen indoors, getting collars caught on things, but most collars have enough room in them to avoid killing the dog.

    I'm also curious how this managed to happen so "suddenly", as the article seems to suggest. As with humans, strangulation actually takes quite some time, a few minutes at least, to actually result in death. So if the family witnessed the dog getting the chain wrapped around him, they could easily have freed him in time.
    At a guess, if it was a very long chain and the dog bolted full sprint while it was wrapped around his neck, then he could theoretically break his own neck or crush his windpipe, which would result in a much quicker death. And that's why long chains are so dangerous.


  • #66
    looking_around
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    Our dogs are outside dogs, get fairly stressed if inside too long, but even we brought them in with all the fireworks.

    And I'd never use a chain to hold a dog, don't know how anyone can with ALL the reports of dogs choking themselves with it, horrible ):


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  • #67
    martingriff
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    Claregirl wrote: »
    http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/tragic-dog-killed-firework-explosion-2658540

    A family have been left devastated after a stray firework resulted in the death of their beloved dog and one of its pups.

    Snoop the six-year old Labrador panicked when the firework exploded close to him and was strangled by his chain.

    One of his six-week old pups also died in the incident in Drogheda on Wednesday.

    Leona Reynolds, 34, said she and her children are distraught at the death of their family pet.

    She said: “It was a freak accident but having said that there should not be fireworks in housing estates.

    “My daughter said that the firework landed in the garden and he panicked. He ended up with the chain being wrapped around his neck. It was a freak accident.”

    Snoop was the father of 10 puppies and their mother, Ali, a boxer another family pet.

    Leona added: “The ten pups had hidden underneath the shed and one of them also got caught up (in the chain).”

    The pup also died and it took Leona and her four children – Kayla, 14, Aimee, 12, Stephen, 10 and TJ, 3, an hour to coax the remaining pups out from under the shed.

    Leona said: “It was a firework that did this. It is wrong to have fireworks in a housing estate. There should be a display somewhere safe.

    “I do think this was accidental but it was brought on by a firework that came into my garden.

    “It is just horrible and a loss for everybody. Stephen loves football and Snoop used to play football with him.”

    I saw this in the paper earlier and it just made my blood boil this "poor family" suffering the loss of their "beloved pet" Seriously if it's that beloved what the fúck is it doing chained up in the garden?:mad: Whatever about the rights or wrongs of fireworks I think the owners of this dog have a case to answer the firework didn't kill the dog it was strangled on the chain that the owner placed on it:mad:


    I would give props for the owner to chain up there dog in halloween. Due to fireworks. Pets can get scared from fireworks and may run away also the pet may wander around the estate and stumple on people with get fireworks and could get hurt. The owner did the best thing short of locking him up.


  • #68
    martingriff
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    anncoates wrote: »
    Pets should be inside tonight.

    Still very sad though, obviously.

    Agree with you but maybe they could have not have them in the house or anything so they propably did the nest best them for them


  • #69
    Drakares
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    My colleagues couldn't believe me yesterday when I said fireworks were illegal in Ireland. There's the reason why. Fúcking scummy cúnts. I'd love to get my hands on them.


  • #70
    Knine
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    martingriff wrote: »
    Agree with you but maybe they could have not have them in the house or anything so they propably did the nest best them for them

    Yeah the next best thing was to dump 6 week old babies out in the cold & chain up the adults.


  • #71
    looking_around
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    martingriff wrote: »
    Agree with you but maybe they could have not have them in the house or anything so they propably did the nest best them for them

    What possible reason could they have for not keeping a dog indoors?

    And IF they did, they should invest in proper containment, a chain is not proper containment.


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  • #72
    Evelyn Cusack
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    people are so self-righteous on the internet, I can se why the Daily Mail is so popular


  • #73
    looking_around
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    Evelyn Cusack wrote: »
    people are so self-righteous on the internet, I can se why the Daily Mail is so popular

    you're assuming we don't get pissed off when we KNOW people who this in person??

    Thats a very bad assumption,

    Many of this is not just "armchair police". But actual opinions that we carry in real life too.


  • #74
    WindSock
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    *thought: someone ought to invent some doggy style earmuffs for Hallowe'en and suchlike.

    *Googles Thundershirt*

    Oh. That's a much better idea.


  • #75
    WindSock
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    *Idea: I'm going to invent a Thundersnood.


  • #76
    hatrickpatrick
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    So on Halloween, one of the scariest nights of the year for some dogs, they leave him chained up and alone OUTSIDE where all the noise is?

    Some people shouldn't be allowed to have pets :(

    I took my labrador puppy out for a walk with me last night in the hopes that seeing my calm and lazy reaction to all the fireworks going off would teach her that there's nothing to be scared of - and believe it or not, it actually seems to have worked. She was spooked by them for the first few minutes but by the end of the walk she didn't bat an eyelid, and spent the rest of the night hanging around in our kitchen as if there were no fireworks going off at all.

    Remains to be seen of course whether she'll still remember this next year...


  • #77
    martingriff
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    Knine wrote: »
    Yeah the next best thing was to dump 6 week old babies out in the cold & chain up the adults.

    Had forgot about the pups they should have been inside somewhere that I do 100% agree with. By the way do we know were the pups out or how it got killed. As they don't say it was by the firework.


  • #78
    fishy fishy
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    martingriff wrote: »
    I would give props for the owner to chain up there dog in halloween. Due to fireworks. Pets can get scared from fireworks and may run away also the pet may wander around the estate and stumple on people with get fireworks and could get hurt. The owner did the best thing short of locking him up.

    would bringing him inside not be an option?? seriously, if you purchase a dog as a pet it should be a pet - NOT chained up outside all kinds of weather. The poor dog should have been trained and taught how to behave by his owners, and would then NOT have been chained up. Who buys a pet and then chains it up.


  • #79
    martingriff
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    looking_around wrote: »
    What possible reason could they have for not keeping a dog indoors?

    And IF they did, they should invest in proper containment, a chain is not proper containment.
    Dont know the possible reasons maybe they normally have a shelter but maybe some pups were inside it I agree a chain is not the best but at the time its better than nothing. Do we know where or how the pup died


  • #80
    martingriff
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    fishy fishy wrote: »
    would bringing him inside not be an option?? seriously, if you purchase a dog as a pet it should be a pet - NOT chained up outside all kinds of weather. The poor dog should have been trained and taught how to behave by his owners, and would then NOT have been chained up. Who buys a pet and then chains it up.

    Have you seen a dog around fireworks I have and they can go mad. Why were they not inside I do not know maybe the normall shelter he has was in use for some of the pups (remember we do not know how or where the pup dies). I am not saying I agree with chains I in the main don't. They should have been inside somewhere yes I do agree


  • #81
    fishy fishy
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    martingriff wrote: »
    Have you seen a dog around fireworks I have and they can go mad. Why were they not inside I do not know maybe the normall shelter he has was in use for some of the pups (remember we do not know how or where the pup dies). I am not saying I agree with chains I in the main don't. They should have been inside somewhere yes I do agree

    yes I have seen them scared out of their wits. They should have been inside - the owners should have taken responsibility for its pets and brought them in. What genuine pet owner, in their right mind, would leave a little animal out to be scared to death literally at halloween. If you want to be a pet owner, be a responsible pet owner.


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  • #82
    Einhard
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    Man, people are so fu*cking judgemental in here. Family loses a dog? They deserved it. Chain a dog up= Automatically guilty of animal cruelty. WTF?:confused:


  • #83
    Overflow
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    What was so 'Tragic' about the dog before he died ?


  • #84
    OldNotWIse
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    wtf was the dog doing chained outside on what is the most terrfying night of the year for animals?

    And, "the ten pups had hidden under the shed" - so the pups were out in the garden too. Fantastic owners.

    Edit: nobody said the owners deserved to lose their dogs but this seems to be completely moronic and irresponsible ownership.


  • #85
    hatrickpatrick
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    Einhard wrote: »
    Man, people are so fu*cking judgemental in here. Family loses a dog? They deserved it. Chain a dog up= Automatically guilty of animal cruelty. WTF?:confused:

    They obviously didn't deserve it. But leaving a dog outside and alone on Halloween of all nights is moronic at best and neglectful at worst.


  • #86
    syklops
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    fishy fishy wrote: »
    yes I have seen them scared out of their wits. They should have been inside - the owners should have taken responsibility for its pets and brought them in. What genuine pet owner, in their right mind, would leave a little animal out to be scared to death literally at halloween. If you want to be a pet owner, be a responsible pet owner.

    I walked down to the shop last night around 10 pm. I got a taxi back because I was afraid of dropping my bottle of Staropramen due to being startled by a nearby whizz or bang. I knew what it was, and I knew I wasn't in danger per se, but I was still nervous and jumped occasionally at the noises. Also due to my close proximity to fire arms(including artillery), my hearing is less sensitive than most peoples. A dogs hearing is way more sensitive than a humans. 18 individual muscles can turn a dogs ear to the source of a sound. It can hear a much wider frequency band than we can, so fireworks are torture for a dog.

    Yes it was a freak accident, but really, some amount of shame should lie at the adults feet.


  • #87
    martingriff
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    fishy fishy wrote: »
    yes I have seen them scared out of their wits. They should have been inside - the owners should have taken responsibility for its pets and brought them in. What genuine pet owner, in their right mind, would leave a little animal out to be scared to death literally at halloween. If you want to be a pet owner, be a responsible pet owner.


    I am agreeing with you however the reason I asked about the puup is this.

    A few years ago we had 2 dogs. We live in the countryside. I was home alone one day and heard them yelping. I went out to the door to see what was wrong they were been chased by few grayhounds that had escaped from nest door. I opened the door a bit for my dogs to come in one did and the other ran away. I had to shut the door to stop the greyhounds from coming in my door. Luckly my uncle came and chased them away however before he cam the dog indoor became agaited and started to run at the door to get out and help the other do and crashed into the door and tried to do it agin untill I restrained it.

    Now I tell this story for a reason and it is this. Could it be possible that they normally have a shelter but due to the 10 pups and the mother the one who died could not be kept in it. If the pup was inside and did what my dog did it could have hurt itself or dies so we do not know what happened. The chain could have been temporary. We do not know


  • #88
    syklops
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    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    wtf was the dog doing chained outside on what is the most terrfying night of the year for animals?

    FYI before some titbag corrects you, it happened on Wednesday. The day before halloween.

    As I said previously, its been like Beirut round my estate for a week now.
    Now I tell this story for a reason and it is this. Could it be possible that they normally have a shelter but due to the 10 pups and the mother the one who died could not be kept in it. If the pup was inside and did what my dog did it could have hurt itself or dies so we do not know what happened. The chain could have been temporary. We do not know

    You're clutching at straws there man.


  • #89
    Dravokivich
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    syklops wrote: »
    You're clutching at straws there man.

    While others are clutching at nooses.


  • #90
    OldNotWIse
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    awec wrote: »
    No sympathy?

    Their dog just died.

    Have a shred of decency for fcuk sake. No matter what you think of the chain, if you can't sympathise with someone who lost their dog in such circumstances then there's something wrong there.


    I have sympathy for the terrified dog that choked himself to an agonising death while his owners were safely indoors, and for the pups that were needlessly bred into a world already overpopulated by unwanted dogs - is that enough for you?

    There is something wrong here alright...but not with us.


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  • #91
    OldNotWIse
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    syklops wrote: »
    FYI before some titbag corrects you, it happened on Wednesday. The day before halloween.

    As I said previously, its been like Beirut round my estate for a week now.



    You're clutching at straws there man.
    ok thanks, no doubt I'll be set upon for that. Semantics really that they are relying on, my place has also been like that for well over a week.


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