Skoda/Hyundai/Kia estate. Which is better?

Jesus.

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

it needs momentum, it doesn't like accelerating, hills or overtaking.

Other than that its great though, eh?!! :pac::pac::pac:

ba_barabus

colm_mcm wrote: »

Drove a polo 1.2 TSI and it was great, isn't the new octavia fairly light??

I'd love to have a 1.2TSI 105BHP Fabia for a drive in Monte Carlo spec. I reckon it could be good for a warmish hatch for the price.

Jesus.

ba_barabus wrote: »

It's better than most engines it's size, actually I struggle to think of anything it's size that better.

That's the point though isn't it. The size ain't right

ba_barabus

Jesus. wrote: »

That's the point though isn't it. The size ain't right

As said I've had great fun in one and the size doesn't matter. Would you say an Elise is shyte as it's small and only comes with a 1.8?

Tea 1000

Jesus. wrote: »

I tried to tell her that last night but she wasn't having it

Come on mate, don't be saying size don't mean sh*t and then coming up with motors from the 30's. The 30's for Christ's sake!!

The new Mondy is going to be even bigger than the last which is already the biggest motor in its class. It'll be as big as, if not bigger than, some executive cars. And I'm sure the weight will match. Yet you're trying to tell me that a 3 banger 1 liter could be fine in it?

Pull the other one Teabag

It probably will be grand. As in as grand as the old 1.6 that came in it. Neither will be magical, but they're both aimed as entry level models.
There are 2 litre Evo's that'll shít all over some 4 litre cars. F1 engines next year will be 1.6. 600cc motorbikes can crap on Mustang's!
A crap 1.6 N/A engine in a Mondeo will be no better than a good 1 litre turbo.

dr.fuzzenstein

ba_barabus wrote: »

I don't think you were driving it right. You don't need to mash the pedal to the floor in every gear to get the best out of it.

I've made it move pretty sharpish. It's better than most engines it's size, actually I struggle to think of anything it's size that better.

I was driving it right, but then again I was sitting in the outside lane of the Autobahn on a steep enough incline when suddenly traffic came to a near standstill.
I could have dived inbetween the trucks and moved at 60-80 km/h for the next while, or I could step on it and try not to hold up the Beemers and Audis in the Ueberholspur.
I went from 6th down to 3rd, there was zero power anywhere in the powerband, this engine has not much torque and that is what I needed, torque not being available I had to go for power and that isn't found lower down in the rev-range.
It wasn't all that bad other than that, but I did miss my 1.8 oilburner, that would have taken off in 5th, 4th if I had to push it.
If the Yeti is available with a decent sized diesel, I'm having it. Lovely car and very comfy.

ba_barabus

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I was driving it right, but then again I was sitting in the outside lane of the Autobahn on a steep enough incline when suddenly traffic came to a near standstill.
I could have dived inbetween the trucks and moved at 60-80 km/h for the next while, or I could step on it and try not to hold up the Beemers and Audis in the Ueberholspur.
I went from 6th down to 3rd, there was zero power anywhere in the powerband, this engine has not much torque and that is what I needed, torque not being available I had to go for power and that isn't found lower down in the rev-range.
It wasn't all that bad other than that, but I did miss my 1.8 oilburner, that would have taken off in 5th, 4th if I had to push it.
If the Yeti is available with a decent sized diesel, I'm having it. Lovely car and very comfy.

In fairness the 1.2TSI isn't made for that kind of driving. Anything sub 1.8 would be stunned by that.

The 1.6TDI isn't bad in it but I think it comes with a 2.0TDI. In the UK it does anyway as I had one out. Loved it. Still, I won't have one until I have kids.

Jesus.

ba_barabus wrote: »

Would you say an Elise is shyte as it's small and only comes with a 1.8?

Of course not because its small with a 1.8. The Yeti is far bigger with a 1.2!

ba_barabus

Jesus. wrote: »

Of course not because its small with a 1.8. The Yeti is far bigger with a 1.2!

It's not about capacity. My example is poor to be fair but the elise can punch far above it's size which is what you were talking about as can the 1.2TSI.

Jesus.

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

torque is what I needed, torque not being available I had to go for power and that isn't found lower down in the rev-range.
It wasn't all that bad other than that, but I did miss my 1.8 oilburner.

I'm with you on this Doc. I was driving a nice torquey diesel for the past week and got back into my petrol today and you couldn't compare 'em.

Its diesel and torque all the way for me.

ba_barabus

Jesus. wrote: »

I'm with you on this Doc. I was driving a nice torquey diesel for the past week and got back into my petrol today and you couldn't compare 'em.

Its diesel and torque all the way for me.

There is no real point in comparing diesel and petrol cars though. They're inherently different in how they deliver the power and therefore how they're going to drive.

Jesus.

ba_barabus wrote: »

It's not about capacity. My example is poor to be fair but the elise can punch far above it's size which is what you were talking about as can the 1.2TSI.

The elise can because its lightweight and its got a 1.8 with a decent amount of power. I'm not disputing that. What I'm saying is there comes a point when engines just get too small for the loads they're hauling around and I think that we've reached that point with 1.2 Octy's and 1.0 Mondeos.

You must know what I'm getting at here Barabbus?

Jesus.

ba_barabus wrote: »

There is no real point in comparing diesel and petrol cars though. They're inherently different in how they deliver the power and therefore how they're going to drive.

I don't understand what you're saying here. There's no point comparing them because they're different, hence they'll drive differently? I would've thought that's exactly why you'd compare them!

Pound for pound, give me a daysul all day

ba_barabus

Jesus. wrote: »

You must know what I'm getting at here Barabbus?

I know what you are getting at and if you notice I've not commented on the Ecoboost in the Mondeo as I haven't driven one. You've made plenty of assumptions about the 1.2TSI Yeti having admittedly not driven one.

I've driven one and rated it well. Maybe you should at least try one before rubbishing it. Colm MCM has at least tried the engine and liked it while Dr.Fuzz found it gutless trying to keep up with autobahn traffic (I expect it would be as I've already said it's performance is great below motorway speed).

It's not a diesel but I love it's willingness to rev and pick up at low speed. I've driven the TDI version and loved the torque and overall power but I prefer the lighter petrol and it's willing engine.

You'd be better off driving one before saying how cr@p you think it is. I can assure you even I was surprised.

JohnBoy26

ba_barabus wrote: »

In fairness the 1.2TSI isn't made for that kind of driving. Anything sub 1.8 would be stunned by that.

The 1.6TDI isn't bad in it but I think it comes with a 2.0TDI. In the UK it does anyway as I had one out. Loved it. Still, I won't have one until I have kids.

a b16 powered Honda civic wouldn't.

ba_barabus

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

a b16 powered Honda civic wouldn't.

Well, most cars would be. Not all.

Tea 1000

Jesus. wrote: »

I don't understand what you're saying here. There's no point comparing them because they're different, hence they'll drive differently? I would've thought that's exactly why you'd compare them!

Pound for pound, give me a daysul all day

525i vs same price 520d? Feck off diesel is all I'll say to that!!

colm_mcm

A glanza engine could easily haul a carina e around.

ba_barabus

colm_mcm wrote: »

A glanza engine could easily haul a carina e around.

:D:D:D

Jesus.

ba_barabus wrote: »

Dr.Fuzz found it gutless

I'm not surprised he found it gutless. Some things are transparent enough so as not to require further investigation.

You'd be better off driving one before saying how cr@p you think it is.

I've never drank urine but I know it'd taste like piss.

I don't want to sound crass mate but I think it just boils down to what one man might find adequate, another might find it gutless. Its just opinions at the end of the day.

ba_barabus

Jesus. wrote: »

I've never drank urine but I know it'd taste like piss.

Mind over matter son.

Jesus. wrote: »

Its just opinions at the end of the day.

That it is and I'll be the first to admit I thought the engine would be shyte before I drove it. I came away very surprised and I've enjoyed every time I've driven it. As this one will be serviced bang on time every time I'm happy it won't suffer from the usual Irish problem of neglect.

sdanseo

1.2 in a car like that is a terrible choice. It'll be horrifically underpowered and get well less MPG than claimed. The car will simply be too heavy for the engine.

Not to mention the poor performance in terms of actual power and acceleration - it'll be boring to drive.

Go for at LEAST a 1.6. Petrol and Diesel are 5c different in price at the pump and some Petrol cars out there will get very reasonable mileage - given the difference in price on the road there is no absolute need to get a Diesel for the sake of it being "more economical".

Jesus.

ba_barabus wrote: »

I came away very surprised and I've enjoyed every time I've driven it. .

I probably would too, I'm just old-fashioned and stubborn!

Oi Barabbus, any idea as to why my images on the "Exotic Police Cars" thread are now only coming up as small wee things when my previous pictures were grand and big?

Tea 1000

Jesus. wrote: »

I probably would too, I'm just old-fashioned and stubborn!

Oi Barabbus, any idea as to why my images on the "Exotic Police Cars" thread are now only coming up as small wee things when my previous pictures were grand and big?

We've discussed this already... size doesn't matter... smaller is better!

Jesus.

Tea 1000 wrote: »

We've discussed this already... size doesn't matter... smaller is better!

I knew someone would say that!! :pac::P:D

delly

And after all of those (slightly) off topic posts....

OP, I've spent a bit of time over the last few months picking out a fleet purchase in this exact class. Although a good warranty wasn't the only requirement, it was high on the list. I was very surprised at how little warranty was given on most brands that pretty much ruled most of them out. In the end it came down to the ceed and i30 which both have good reps while fulfilling our requirements. The KIA won out in the end on a couple of points, but most noteworthy being that the KIA has the 128bhp 1.6 engine over the 110bhp 1.6 in the i30.

colm_mcm

The spec on the kia seems better overall really.

rocky

i'd go skoda meself, but only with DSG.

Drove a rental 105bhp manual golf for a weekend and was surprised how linearly it pulls from about 1500 rpm. 4 adults and 1 baby, no bother.

odckdo

Thanks all for the comments and suggestions.

The main reason I am looking at an estate is that I need a larger boot for transporting dogs - not necessarily people! Also I mainly do local trips - maybe every 1 or 2 months a motorway trip to Dublin. My 3 year Golf has only 15,000 Km. (Previously I was told on boards with that mileage to get a bike!)

I like the look of the Hyundai i30 estate but with the Skoda estate I can get a 1.2 TSI petrol which would work out cheaper. Also I was told before that with my low mileage a diesel wouldn't suit as I would need to give the car a good run every week.

I understand what you are saying about having a bigger engine for a bigger car. But with my low mileage, local trips and lower load would the 1.2 TSI 86bph not do? Why would Skoda have such a engine available if it couldn't do a job?

Also I have to check if the Octavia saloon boot might work for my dogs i.e. will they be able to sit/stand up? Years ago when I first enquired about a Skoda estate, a dealer told me there would be a better resale market for the saloon.

Thanks for all the advice!

colm_mcm

odckdo wrote: »

I understand what you are saying about having a bigger engine for a bigger car. But with my low mileage, local trips and lower load would the 1.2 TSI 86bph not do? Why would Skoda have such a engine available if it couldn't do a job?
!

This is skoda, part of Volkswagen. Who as well as producing some cracking engines, are also responsible for some disgracefully underpowered cars.
People will still buy them though.
Drive one and see if it suits you, but don't assume that they wouldn't sell it if it wasn't up to the job.