Stabbing incident at Milltown LUAS station

Baron Kurtz

myshirt wrote: »

Do you know what it is liked to be stabbed? You do recognise you could kill a man with a spoon having the right knowledge.

Thanks, Jason.

Baron Kurtz

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Looks like a game of knifey spooney got out of hand

Ooh, I'd say you were waiting a while for this one!:)

Hans Bricks

Are there actually people here foaming at the mouth over some naive imminent danger from bankers ? Someone who takes brown envelopes or runs an institution lending more than it can make back in profit is most likely that middle aged, suit & tie who'd squirm at the thought of physical altercations.

The knuckle draggers in this case are the ones you should keep your eye on when on public transport. Not Seanie Fitz with the briefcase and long overcoat. :rolleyes:

bsloepro

myshirt wrote: »

Do you know what it is liked to be stabbed? You do recognise you could kill a man with a spoon having the right knowledge.

You probably could. You are unlikely however to sever an artery unintentionally with a spoon.
I got stabbed/slashed pretty deep with a Stanley on the inside of my bicep, trying to fight my way out of a mugging. To me it in itself was not a massive big deal. I got about 20 stitches. What makes me cringe is how close to my artery the cut was....and how that could have panned out..........purely for the contents of my wallet.

bucketybuck

My grandfather lived his whole life carrying a pocket knife, until this thread I didn't realise he was actually a scumbag who should have been locked up.

anncoates

I have to get the green line tomorrow and I'll be packin'.

Berserker

bnt wrote: »

If they're anything like the guys I've seen before - huge Polish rugby players - the attackers are lucky they weren't stomped flat.

And if excessive force was used, they would probably end up suing the security company with the backing of the bleeding heart brigade.

stunmer wrote: »

My job requires me to have a knife. People who camp, sailors, scouts all may be carrying knives.

Yes because Milltown is a prime location for the above.

stehyl15

RedemptionZ wrote: »

There's always been a bit of an exaggeration about the green line on boards, it's doesn't just go by mansions the whole way, plenty of the stops have nearby council estates, bound to be a few scum around(though the majority from these areas are lovely). I've seen a few assaults in Balally stop and Ballyogan Wood.

There Ballyogan isint too bad the kids there just can be very annoying at times

mikom

You think the green line is bad.......... you should see what they stab you with on the pink line.......

I used to get the green line quite a lot a while back. It's most definitely not all posh. There's two stops in particular where you'd get a crowd of dodgy kids who would get on one and then get off the other stop. Can't think of the stops now, but I'm sure people know the ones I'm talking about.

What I noticed is that the inspectors/security would ride the luas all the way to Bride's Glenn in the morning, but they'd only ever get on the stop right after those dodgy kids got off.

jamesbondings

I think its simple. If you have any type of knife ALONE then you are asking/looking for trouble, however if it is in your tackle box or on your tool belt with other tools or in a tool box then there is no issue, if you have a knife without any other signs of work or recreational purposes then you are deemed up to no good in my opinion.

I NEVER carried a knife of any description outside the house unless with a tackle box or in a tool box. There is no need. I dont come from a wealthy/posh/scumbaggy area, i just know if I have a knife and get in a fight it could be used, by me or by others on me. You are some sort of special if you bring one out for the craic, or in a just in case kind of way. Especially in Dublin.

bucketybuck

jamesbondings wrote: »

I think its simple. If you have any type of knife ALONE then you are asking/looking for trouble, however if it is in your tackle box or on your tool belt with other tools or in a tool box then there is no issue, if you have a knife without any other signs of work or recreational purposes then you are deemed up to no good in my opinion.

I NEVER carried a knife of any description outside the house unless with a tackle box or in a tool box. There is no need. I dont come from a wealthy/posh/scumbaggy area, i just know if I have a knife and get in a fight it could be used, by me or by others on me. You are some sort of special if you bring one out for the craic, or in a just in case kind of way. Especially in Dublin.

Well, if you never did it then thats how it must be.

jamesbondings

so under what pretense is it deemed acceptable to have a knife for no reason at all in a public place?

I was not saying that because i never did i am holier than thou, i just cant fathom how anyone could bring a knife out for no reason. I think that you would have to be a bit stupid it you thought it was ok to do so?

osarusan

jamesbondings wrote: »

so under what pretense is it deemed acceptable to have a knife for no reason at all in a public place?

The 'no reason at all' bit is the part that would be difficult to argue/prosecute in court.

Who decides what reasons are legitimate and how will it be proven that the carrier doesn't have one of these legitimate criteria?

jamesbondings

osarusan wrote: »

The 'no reason at all' bit is the part that would be difficult to argue/prosecute in court.

Who decides what reasons are legitimate and how will it be proven that the carrier doesn't have one of these legitimate criteria?

If they have other gear on them, like a tackle box, bag or ropes (for fishing climbing etc,) toolbox etc again i see no reason to leave the house carrying a knife, without any of the above, it may take a bit of forward planning but it isnt too much to ask people dont arm themselves with deadly weapons

Help!!!!

Reati wrote: »

What a load of sh*t. Typical uneducated about the world attitude. The world isn't some black and white place where you can have these absolute laws. There is plenty of reasons one might have a knife on them, the most logically one is for ones job.

I think the gardai, like most intelligent people can tell the difference between someone carrying a knife for work or some other innocent reason & someone concealing something like a large kitchen knife in their sock.
I don't understand why there is not much stop & search by the gardai

Help!!!!

Help!!!! wrote: »

I think the gardai, like most intelligent people can tell the difference between someone carrying a knife for work or some other innocent reason & someone concealing something like a large kitchen knife in their sock.
I don't understand why there is not much stop & search by the gardai

When you look at the last poster, being you, Help!!!!, and the thread title together on the preview, it looks like you're the one getting stabbed.

Lenin Skynard

It's the sailors, scouts and various other miscellaneous luas-riding adventurers that are the real victims here.

Bruthal

neckedit wrote: »

does your job require you to travel on the Luaa with your tools.....Scouts, Sailors. ...really kinda clutching at straws here. .....Any way the point is there are a lotta scumbags carrying knives....not for work or any other outdoor pursuits, but for intimidation and actually harming people.

The point is, its possible for a non scumbag to have a knife in their pocket. I often use one for the work I do, and keep it in pocket all day because of its frequent use, so I might have it in pocket going home, forgetting to put it into the tool box.

osarusan

jamesbondings wrote: »

If they have other gear on them, like a tackle box, bag or ropes (for fishing climbing etc,) toolbox etc again i see no reason to leave the house carrying a knife, without any of the above, it may take a bit of forward planning but it isnt too much to ask people dont arm themselves with deadly weapons

scumbags are more likely to carry around some rope or fishing line than disarm I'd say.

One problem with what you're suggesting is that it gives scumbags an easy way to defend themselves in court, based on the letter of the law.

"Your honour, he might have 97 convictions, but he had 20 metres of line in his pocket and a couple of hooks, so he has the right to carry that kitchen knife."

Baron Kurtz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw8E2ku1xIY

stehyl15

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I used to get the green line quite a lot a while back. It's most definitely not all posh. There's two stops in particular where you'd get a crowd of dodgy kids who would get on one and then get off the other stop. Can't think of the stops now, but I'm sure people know the ones I'm talking about.

What I noticed is that the inspectors/security would ride the luas all the way to Bride's Glenn in the morning, but they'd only ever get on the stop right after those dodgy kids got off.

It would be handy if you named them

shampoosuicide

i wonder do people ever be on the brink of stabbing someone and then say '**** wait, this is a respectable area. let's not do this here'.

conorh91

Milltown is a weird area. There's a very rough-looking housing estate across the river at the bottom of the road leading to the Luas station. Everywhere else is gated and respectable.

Usually it's such a sleepy little place. No matter how rough the kids from that estate might be, you'd never expect anything like this.

stehyl15

stehyl15 wrote: »

It would be handy if you named them

Balally and Ballyogan road? I can't remember 100%

stehyl15

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Balally and Ballyogan road? I can't remember 100%

Ballyogan theres just a few kids running amuck nothing too serious I never tought Balally was bad either but there seems to be a security presence around it at evening time I always thought it was to keep an eye on the kids coming out from Dundrum SC

Reati

PARlance wrote: »

Uneducated about the world attitude.... You do know that many places around the world are cracking down on knife crime?

There is a difference in cracking down on knife crime and imposing a fixed term sentence on anyone who has a knife on their person.

The suggestion of a fixed sentence for carrying a knife is stupid and a knee jerk "won't somebody please think of the children" style reaction. Just because there is few reasons to have a knife on you in Milltown, doesn't mean the rest of country is the same. Ridiculing the idea that a farmer, camper or sailor might carry a knife is also an uneducated attitude.

Laws don't get made just for Milltown...

RDM_83 again

Help!!!! wrote: »

I think the gardai, like most intelligent people can tell the difference between someone carrying a knife for work or some other innocent reason & someone concealing something like a large kitchen knife in their sock.
I don't understand why there is not much stop & search by the gardai

Ironically I actually got stabbed by somebody that had a legitmate reason to carry a knife :mad:

A way tougher line with knife crime and going armed with knives needs to be taken though, in the area I live now (UK) there's been two extremely serious stabbings in the last month or so.

How the law is written might take some working out but even if you simply made it that anyone with a recent criminal conviction faced mandatory time (and actually had to serve it) for carrying a knife it would still improve the situation.

nc19

Streetwalker wrote:

Wft is that supposed to mean?

there is plenty of scum in both those areas and if there is trouble in the area there's a high probability that the perpetrators are from said areas.

not all residents in these areas are scum but certainly a vastly higher percentage than surrounding areas of Orwell, Miltown, Clonskeagh etc.

thought it was fairly obvious what the post meant

Simon2015

If all the Scumbags are going to be carrying knives then law abiding citizens should also have a right to carry them to defend themselves against the Scumbags.