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Stabbing incident at Milltown LUAS station

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  • #32
    Nalz
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    I leave five mins from the stop, a little shocked this has happened tbh... The article in the indo = glorified tabloid rag


  • #33
    ABC101
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    While serious for you or I, in the eyes of the law it is a bit of a non event, the culprits will just give the old sob story of how they had a rough / disavantaged childhood and how they did not get the same chances as others .... And voila...they will be off with a caution!


  • #34
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,124 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    The news reports are thin on detail, sure - that's why I was wondering if there was more info out there.

    They don't have security on the Green Line all the time, just when they think they need it. I didn't think Easter Sunday evening would be one of those times, which shows you what I know.

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • #35
    neckedit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭neckedit


    stunmer wrote:
    My job requires me to have a knife. People who camp, sailors, scouts all may be carrying knives.


    does your job require you to travel on the Luaa with your tools.....Scouts, Sailors. ...really kinda clutching at straws here. .....Any way the point is there are a lotta scumbags carrying knives....not for work or any other outdoor pursuits, but for intimidation and actually harming people.


  • #36
    RedemptionZ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭RedemptionZ


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    Lol. I suppose no "scum" live in mansions either

    Stop looking to get offended, you know what I meant. Scum from upper class backgrounds don't normally go around the stabbing people, doesn't mean they're not scum(ie. a lot of bankers from the recession who owe the country millions).


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  • #37
    nc19
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭nc19


    bnt wrote:
    If you've been to the Milltown area of South Dublin, you'll know it's quite nice: one of the posher parts, o


    columbanus and Rosemount 5 mins walk away. there's scum everywhere

    /thread


  • #38
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    LadyAthame wrote: »
    Thank you!

    No bother pet.


  • #39
    Joe prim
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    Simon2015 wrote: »
    There could be any number of reasons why someone would carry a knife but is far from a Scumbag.

    I always carry a knife (accompanied by a fork) when travelling on the Southside in case i encounter one of these "pop-up" restaurants described in the irish times weekend supplement, and I can assure you that I am no scumbag, far from it, my good man....


  • #40
    KD345
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    Simon2015 wrote: »
    If it happened on the red line it probably woundn't even make it into the headlines.

    Last month: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/tallaght-luas-red-line-stop-closed-after-two-males-assaulted-1.2143224

    Anti social behaviour is city wide.


  • #41
    moc moc a moc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭moc moc a moc


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    Lol. I suppose no "scum" live in mansions either

    Plenty of scum in the Fatima Mansions.


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  • #42
    stunmer
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    neckedit wrote: »
    does your job require you to travel on the Luaa with your tools.....Scouts, Sailors. ...really kinda clutching at straws here. .....Any way the point is there are a lotta scumbags carrying knives....not for work or any other outdoor pursuits, but for intimidation and actually harming people.

    Yup, I have had jobs where it is easier to travel on the Luas / bus than drive especially during rush hour. Also there is 53 degrees North in Carrickmines on the luas line which sell knives for adventure sports. There is a good DIY shop 2 minutes from Charlemount which sell knives also. Not at all clutching at straws. You asked for any number of reasons why someone would have a knife on the luas and I gave you many reasons.

    It is difficult because many scumbags may carry knives but there will be people legitimately carrying knives also. An outright ban is not the solution.


  • #43
    jungleman
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    Just hearing reports that one of the assailants was a scout, the other a sailor. They were both about to go camping on the Luas.


  • #44
    stunmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭stunmer


    jungleman wrote: »
    Just hearing reports that one of the assailants was a scout, the other a sailor. They were both about to go camping on the Luas.

    Hey, I'm just pointing out that your suggestion below is ridiculous.
    jungleman wrote: »
    Anyone who is found carrying a concealed knife should have a fixed term sentence.


  • #45
    jungleman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 803 ✭✭✭jungleman


    stunmer wrote: »
    Hey, I'm just pointing out that your suggestion below is ridiculous.

    Thanks. For. That.


  • #46
    AndonHandon
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    Unconfirmed that the perpetrators were homeless or from the travelling community.

    You send a LUAS out to Balally; you must deal with the consequences.


  • #47
    KD345
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭KD345


    Simon2015 wrote: »
    There could be any number of reasons why someone would carry a knife but is far from a Scumbag.

    These guys attacked the Luas security with a knife and pepper spray. I think calling them scum is acceptable.


  • #48
    Streetwalker
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    nc19 wrote: »
    columbanus and Rosemount 5 mins walk away. there's scum everywhere

    /thread

    Wft is that supposed to mean?


  • #49
    UCDVet
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    Streetwalker wrote: »
    Lol. I suppose no "scum" live in mansions either

    Oh plenty of scum live in mansions. But you won't need to worry about them stabbing you with a knife if you don't hand over your phone.


  • #50
    listermint
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    Axton Ripe Kitten wrote: »
    They are not actually allowed touch people. The do look rather KGB though.

    Being regulated security staff they are entitled to eject people or restrain.much the same as nightclub staff but sure whatever you are having yourself.


  • #51
    kylith
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    moc moc a moc wrote: »
    Plenty of scum in the Fatima Mansions.

    Not any more there's not. The Mansions are long gone.

    The scum roam the streets these days.


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  • #52
    Lux23
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    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    Stop looking to get offended, you know what I meant. Scum from upper class backgrounds don't normally go around the stabbing people, doesn't mean they're not scum(ie. a lot of bankers from the recession who owe the country millions).

    I know two Young lads in prison for stabbing/killing someone at a party, they are both from one of the most expensive streets in Dublin. Drink and drugs can make anyone act like a maniac.


  • #53
    Gummy Panda
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    Looks like a game of knifey spooney got out of hand


  • #54
    myshirt
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    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    Looks like a game of knifey spooney got out of hand

    Do you know what it is liked to be stabbed? You do recognise you could kill a man with a spoon having the right knowledge.


  • #55
    Greenmachine
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    Lux23 wrote: »
    I know two Young lads in prison for stabbing/killing someone at a party, they are both from one of the most expensive streets in Dublin. Drink and drugs can make anyone act like a maniac.

    Correction: Drink and drugs can make scum act like thugs.


  • #56
    Reati
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    jungleman wrote: »
    When I read these stories I just feel disgust in the pit of my stomach. Pure and utter scumbags. Anyone who is found carrying a concealed knife should have a fixed term sentence.

    What a load of sh*t. Typical uneducated about the world attitude. The world isn't some black and white place where you can have these absolute laws. There is plenty of reasons one might have a knife on them, the most logically one is for ones job.

    But because some scumbag stabs someone, your logical, clearly well thought through solution is anyone who ever carrys a knife on them (and unless you are carrying it your hand it's likely to fall under the "concealed" aspect) should face jail.

    Using that logic, we should have fixed term sentences for people who are drunk in public in case they might fight or people who speed because they might cause a road accident.

    But that'd be ridiculous... Wouldn't it.


  • #57
    Don't Chute!
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    myshirt wrote: »
    Do you know what it is liked to be stabbed? You do recognise you could kill a man with a spoon having the right knowledge.

    Do you recognise what a joke is?


  • #58
    TGJD
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    neckedit wrote: »
    Why would you carry a knife? give me any number reasons please.

    Might need to open a tin of paint later


  • #59
    PARlance
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,982 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Reati wrote: »
    What a load of sh*t. Typical uneducated about the world attitude. The world isn't some black and white place where you can have these absolute laws. There is plenty of reasons one might have a knife on them, the most logically one is for ones job.

    But because some scumbag stabs someone, your logical, clearly well thought through solution is anyone who ever carrys a knife on them (and unless you are carrying it your hand it's likely to fall under the "concealed" aspect) should face jail.

    Using that logic, we should have fixed term sentences for people who are drunk in public in case they might fight or people who speed because they might cause a road accident.

    But that'd be ridiculous... Wouldn't it.

    Reati
    Reacting

    That's you overreacting.

    Legislation and policing can deal with differentiating between a carpenter and his Stanley knife vs an idiot with no valid reason.

    Uneducated about the world attitude.... You do know that many places around the world are cracking down on knife crime?

    It doesn't mean we'll have to arrest all our chippies when they return from Oz.


  • #60
    Danye
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    Axton Ripe Kitten wrote: »
    They are not actually allowed touch people. The do look rather KGB though.

    Maybe they need to be told that. I've seen them assault people.


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  • #61
    DivingDuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭DivingDuck


    Low-income scum: somewhat likely to present an immediate physical danger to those around them, as they have little to lose by acting on their scummy impulses, like stabbing someone on a LUAS.

    High-income scum: unlikely to present an immediate physical danger to those around them, as acting on their scummy impulses and stabbing someone on the LUAS means their life as they know it is over.

    Members of the second group are no less awful and no less detrimental to society, but to argue that they're as likely to stab somebody in a populated public area is factually untrue. It's not that it doesn't happen, as several high-profile cases in the past demonstrate... But the fact that those cases are high-profile illustrates how far from the norm these instances are.

    As for carrying knives... I carried a Swiss Army knife for years. The knife, screwdriver, and other tools proved invaluable on multiple occasions, and not one of them was ever violence against another person. I'm not completely opposed to a blanket ban on knives because I can see the benefit of it, but to say anyone carrying a knife is automatically a scumbag is pretty far removed from the truth in my experience.


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