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UK graduate thrown out of gay club after "triggering" Blurred Lines is played

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    Greetings fellow homo sapien what is your desired label at the moment?

    Don't be so insensitive.

    Scientists have recently discovered that Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens were inter-breeding up untill (in the scale of things) quite recently.

    How dare you label him/she/her/he without first asking what species blend they (?) ascribe as?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    tritium wrote: »
    Would they have a bad reaction because of a) the lyrics, in which case just about any song is potentially off limits and we end up with an approach to free speech compatible to the Taliban, or b) because of all the ruckus and assorted bollocks raised about the song by certain groups pushing an agenda?

    I'd say it's because of the lyrics, which are overtly misogynistic and have dodgy ideas about consensuality. Plus, the line "You know you want it" was also the line used by her rapist.
    "That wasn't hard" ?

    You're missing the point: how the fcuk would the staff know what Georgia wanted to be identified as?? It's not about it being easy or difficult. It's about not having psychic abilities.

    Like I said, I don't know why she expected the DJ to know which pronouns to use. I'm more getting at the amazement some people in the thread have at the idea that people can be more than purely straight or gay, or man or woman.


    lol. She just wanted to make a point?? In the middle of a DJ's set?? He's working ffs!! Write a letter c/o of the club the next day. You don't start whinging to DJs about how songs remind you of being raped. What absolute entitled nonsense.

    I don't think it was a good idea, but I can imagine something like that happening in a student nightclub. Georgia may be obnoxious, and may have some silly ways to protest, but I don't think it's too surprising that something like this would happen in student culture. And if Georgia was upset after hearing the song (understandably enough), I wouldn't expect their actions to be completely logical.


    The DJ's response was spot on. They (both of them, not just Georgia - yeah, this is real "easy") deserved to be told to fcuk off.


    Can you read? They said: "I don’t want to hear this s***" to the DJ. They (Georgia, not both of them) were obnoxious and rude.

    I don't doubt at all that they came across as obnoxious. Maybe they're both obnoxious people in general. But I still don't understand someone saying “**** off you silly bitch” over a microphone to a professed upset rape victim.
    Also, Georgia is professional victim. Here's one of her recent tweets were she was causing trouble at another club:

    https://twitter.com/GeorgiaG92/status/595226148675649536


    Oh, and they told her to fcuk off as well.

    And maybe Georgia is a pain in the ass, and maybe they do look for things to complain about (there are a few people like that, though their number is often vastly exaggerated), but I still think the DJ was out of order.
    I don't think anyone comes out of this story well, but I think I can understand Georgia more (young person, doesn't conform to social norms, fresh out of college and wants to make a sociopolitical point due to a combination of genuine pain, idealism and vanity [maybe, I don't know them well enough]), than I do the DJ (d*ck).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    galljga1 wrote: »
    Personally, I think Blurred Lines is one of the best pop songs of this decade.

    I disagree. I think it's rubbish even without the lyrical content.


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    For the record, I think blurred lines is a terrible song and he's a sleazy c*nt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    Greetings fellow homo sapien what is your desired label at the moment?

    I find that very toastist.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    That article is for transgender people. She identifies as non-binary, not transgender. Are they one in the same? To me, she seems to think they're not, otherwise she would have identified herself as such.

    My evidence that it's ridiculous? How do you prove a personal opinion as opposed to something put forward as proof?
    Way I understood those things and what always made sense to me was that transgendered people are literally the opposite mentall as they are phyiscally (ie male mind, female body or female mind, male body) and genderqueer etc all under the queer label are more "don't fit into gender stereotypes" which opens a new can of worms.

    Personally I figure we're in a time were there's more of a "enjoy wtf you want, even if that means being a man that likes soaps or a woman that likes playing football". Course we're also in a time where people can rant and rave online for an audiance so... :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 843 ✭✭✭QuinDixie


    galljga1 wrote: »
    Not sure. I thought SJWs were those who supported the outraged and easily offended.

    So, this is the perfect thread.
    Anyone who shows support for her on this thread can be classified as a SJW.
    Everyone else can be classified as a norm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    Kev W wrote: »
    I feel sorry for you if the idea of politeness seems silly to you.

    And you don't see it as impolite to ask every person you meet "How do you identify?"

    How many obviously male/female people would be offended that you would even have any kind of doubt as to what they are. You're going to offend far fewer by not asking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    Well if you are that sensitive then 90% of rap/hip hop is a no-no. A fair few of those poppy American gits aswell can have dodgy undertones mate. Just an idea to avoid your moral outrage.

    It's nothing to do with sensitivity. it's a rubbish song.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,879 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Kev W wrote: »
    Yes, exactly! And then others are free to make a judgement on that opinion, even if that opinion is "you're being a prick!"

    we have an accord then. I still would never ask somebody what their preferred pronoun is. If it isnt clear i just use their name. much simpler.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭zeffabelli


    Kev W wrote: »
    Not quite, Alanis.

    What "blurred lines" am I defending? If anything I'm on the side of clarity.

    Your talking about gender as a spectrum, nothing clear in that. The blurred lines of gender.

    As for calling me Alanis, at least you got the gender right. That's a good start.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    valoren wrote: »
    This is classic attention seeking.

    Are you referring to Kev W?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    CruelCoin wrote: »
    And you don't see it as impolite to ask every person you meet "How do you identify?"

    How many obviously males/females would be offended that you would even have any kind of doubt as to what they are. You're going to offend far fewer by not asking.

    Where did I say it should be "every person you meet"? I specifically said if it wasn't obvious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    we have an accord then. I still would never ask somebody what their preferred pronoun is. If it isnt clear i just use their name. much simpler.

    That works too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    CruelCoin wrote: »
    Don't be so insensitive.

    Scientists have recently discovered that Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens were inter-breeding up untill (in the scale of things) quite recently.

    How dare you label him/she/her/he without first asking what species blend they (?) ascribe as?
    ****.

    Hello Earthling? Does that offend aliens? Is nothing safe?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,932 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    galljga1 wrote: »
    Give over man/woman. If she looks like a woman, I will address her as a woman. Mistakes may be made, but in general less offence will be given than asking everyone we meet whether they identify as male, female or whatever. Or do we have to do a Mick Dundee?

    Can you imagine the ****storm when you ask some woman if she identifies as a woman, its guaranteed she will think you are taking the mick and saying she is so ugly that men can't tell if she is female or not. You will be called the biggest prick ever all because you tried to follow this gender labelling nonsense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    Kev W wrote: »
    Where did I say it should be "every person you meet"? I specifically said if it wasn't obvious.

    I'm sure no women are going to be offended by being asked to confirm their gender.


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    I get transgender people don't identify as their biological gender. Well, I don't, as someone who isn't, but I can take that as fact. But non-binary is identifying as no gender.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    zeffabelli wrote: »
    Your talking about gender as a spectrum, nothing clear in that. The blurred lines of gender.

    As for calling me Alanis, at least you got the gender right. That's a good start.

    I'm talking about people being on different SPECIFIC points on that spectrum and being allowed to refer to themselves in that SPECIFIC way.

    If the lines seem blurred to you, perhaps you need to focus better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Kev W wrote: »
    It's nothing to do with sensitivity. it's a rubbish song.

    Perhaps but you have decided its rapey. Which it simply isnt.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭zeffabelli


    Kev W wrote: »
    I'm talking about people being on different SPECIFIC points on that spectrum and being allowed to refer to themselves in that SPECIFIC way.

    If the lines seem blurred to you, perhaps you need to focus better.

    It's not me that needs to focus. I'm not confused here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    I get transgender people don't identify as their biological gender. Well, I don't, as someone who isn't, but I can take that as fact. But non-binary is identifying as no gender.

    No particular gender, yes. Going by that you seem to understand it just fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    ****.

    Hello Earthling? Does that offend aliens? Is nothing safe?

    Stop digging. Now you're classist against planetary type.

    And don't get me started on systemal / galactical prejudices either!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,820 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    ****.

    Hello Earthling? Does that offend aliens? Is nothing safe?

    Ugh. Check your Earth privilege.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,547 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I was born with a genetic tendency to be tall. However I do not identify as tall, I feel as though I am about 5'5". For that reason I would like people to not look upwards when talking to me, as this is offensive to me, it goes against my personal identification.

    I also resent having leg lengths on trousers specified (tall, normal, short), as this categorises me in a way I do not identify with.

    I expect people to ask me how I height-identify before addressing me or asking me if it is cold up here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    zeffabelli wrote: »
    It's not me that needs to focus. I'm not confused here.

    Am I? What about?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,879 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Kev W wrote: »
    I'm talking about people being on different SPECIFIC points on that spectrum and being allowed to refer to themselves in that SPECIFIC way.

    If the lines seem blurred to you, perhaps you need to focus better.


    when you say spectrum you need to be clear which spectrum you are referring to. Earlier you posted about sexuality as a spectrum and then referred to transgender. transgender is not on the sexuality spectrum. they are not related.


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    Kev W wrote: »
    No particular gender, yes. Going by that you seem to understand it just fine.

    Knowing what it is and understanding something are two completely different things, my friend.

    (I'm not your friend, guy).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Kev W wrote: »
    I'm talking about people being on different SPECIFIC points on that spectrum and being allowed to refer to themselves in that SPECIFIC way.

    If the lines seem blurred to you, perhaps you need to focus better.

    Does this eejit not use two alternating pronouns? How does someone who actively uses multiple pronouns fit clearly in your spectrum? Or is it a seasonal spectrum?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,879 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    looksee wrote: »
    I was born with a genetic tendency to be tall. However I do not identify as tall, I feel as though I am about 5'5". For that reason I would like people to not look upwards when talking to me, as this is offensive to me, it goes against my personal identification.

    I also resent having leg lengths on trousers specified (tall, normal, short), as this categorises me in a way I do not identify with.

    I expect people to ask me how I height-identify before addressing me or asking me if it is cold up here.

    i have always hated that. I feel your pain.


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