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Why are dole bashing threads allowed?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Gatling wrote: »
    What dole bashing thread is the op on about

    The sense of entitlement in Ireland thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The sense of entitlement in Ireland thread.

    Ahhh must have a read .

    Thanks


  • Site Banned Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭XR3i


    you can find

    what your searching for

    in my eyes

    if you'd only look


  • Site Banned Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭XR3i


    i would move everything i can

    to

    steer

    you

    away from where i am :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭Specialun


    I heard that enda kenny is putting all dole scrougers on an island off mizen head


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  • Site Banned Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭XR3i


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  • Site Banned Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭XR3i


    coulld u be quite for one minute


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Ronin247


    XR3i wrote: »
    coulld u be quite for one minute

    Quite what?


  • Site Banned Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭XR3i


    welcome sunset people

    take the late night flight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,794 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Dole threads, feminism threads and Northern Ireland threads make you lose the will to live.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    I was granted a wish once but there was a condition. The condition was that whatever I wished for my neighbour would get twice. So I thought about this for a while... and said, 'take my eye'.


  • Site Banned Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭XR3i


    what color is the wind, paddy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Overheal wrote: »
    You are born into being brown, you aren't born into being unemployed.

    Being a part of a certain religion is more of a choice than being unemployed. Being born into the travelling community is about the same. There's absolutely no justification for the double standard beyond "these people fall outside the scope of political correctness while these do not".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    osarusan wrote: »
    Dole threads, feminism threads and Northern Ireland threads make you lose the will to live.

    Try reading vladi Putin for sainthood threads


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,751 ✭✭✭✭Ally Dick


    I couldn't give two fiddler's f@cks about dole bashers. I collect my dole money once a week, and have a good laugh signing on once a month. I worked for over 30 years before my employer decided to seek cheaper alternatives. I paid a lot of tax. I'm in the process of looking for a job and I intend to enjoy myself until I do


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    I couldn't give two fiddler's f@cks about dole bashers. I collect my dole money once a week, and have a good laugh signing on once a month. I worked for over 30 years before my employer decided to seek cheaper alternatives. I paid a lot of tax. I'm in the process of looking for a job and I intend to enjoy myself until I do

    You'll not be enjoying yourself too much on the dole. But sure enjoy yourself. You got the last laugh... I think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,751 ✭✭✭✭Ally Dick


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    You'll not be enjoying yourself too much on the dole. But sure enjoy yourself. You got the last laugh... I think?

    My last job seekers benefit payment is tomorrow, but I am approved for job seekers allowance should I need it. Don't get me wrong, I want to work...and contribute to the exchequer again. I've a few interviews pending. Several people who left my industry ended up having heart attacks, and many have depression. I have no intention of being like that. I am probably lucky that I am not disposed to depression or feeling bad about things. For that I am eternally grateful. p.s. I don't feel like I am having the last laugh. Not like that for me at all. Just want to stay positive


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Jeebus. A dole bashing thread that has lasted seven hours without getting locked? How rare!

    OP, you'll find most of the dole bashing threads spawn from an article about someone with 5 to 10 kids looking for more money because they can barely survive, and/or she's getting evicted, and/or it's none of the government's business that someone is living with her whilst she's getting single parent allowance, etc, etc.

    Add the above to a thread such as AH, and you get madness. Bring back TCN, or Thunderdrome, I say, and you'd find just how mad some of the threads go when they get sent there to die... death by cat meme :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    the_syco wrote: »
    Jeebus. A dole bashing thread that has lasted seven hours without getting locked? How rare!

    This is really more a dole bashing thread bashing thread.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    This is really more a dole bashing thread bashing thread.

    Bloody philistines


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,262 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Everybody accepts the need for social insurance against loss of employment.

    Indeed, I argue that JSB is too low at 188 pw, it should be increased, and made pay-related.

    Example: USA pays 50% of former wages for 6 months, extendable to 99 weeks during recessions.

    Germany = 60-67% of former net pay for 12 months.

    So I suggest 50% of former gross for 6 months, dropping to 40% of former gross for next six months.


    What people don't tend to agree with is:

    JSB rate = JSA rate
    JSA has an indefinite duration


    We pay you more if you are long-term unemployed, no other country does that.

    Solution: increase duration and rates of JSB

    Limit the duration of JSA.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭esforum


    I often wonder why people bitch about the dole, If it's so great jack in the job and go live on the €188 PW.

    cause someone has to pay for it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Canadel


    Overheal wrote: »
    You are born into being brown, you aren't born into being unemployed.
    That just makes it worse.

    Any rational, half way intelligent person knows straight away that criticising or being mean to someone because of the colour of their skin is ridiculous. And racist.

    With unemployment though, there are so many more factors at play. So many more assumptions to be had. Unemployment is something that effects so many people for so many different reasons. For the rational, intelligent person to come along and then bash those people as a group, to belittle them, and to say that they are leaches on the state and so on and so forth as you read everyday on boards, is much more than just being mean or having a laugh. It's perverse. And an exertion of psychological power. It's the use of societal standards to exclude a section of society who don't belong in the cool gang.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭KomradeBishop


    What's more, a lot of people actively want people to be unemployed as well, as that is what affords business greater power over their workers, and what warps the whole economy in a way that allows e.g. wages to be pushed down to increase profits generally.

    Unemployment - even high unemployment - is a good thing for certain sections of society. It's not all about money, it's about power over people/society too - when people have to fear losing their job and not finding another, a lot of power is wielded over them, generally they'll put up with a lot more shít, for more work and less pay.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭KomradeBishop


    Permabear wrote: »
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    Yes pretty much all economic conservatives - predominantly and most politically influentially represented by business/finance and other well-off/powerful sections of society, who stand to benefit power-wise from unemployment - always lobby against any possibility of government propping up employment in bad times, and actively lobby for cuts in employment in existing government programs, through funding cuts.

    So they actively lobby against policies that would reduce unemployment, they actively lobby for policies that would hold down Aggregate Demand - helping to keep employment from recovering in the private economy - and they actively lobby for policies that would cut existing public employment.

    Being among that group though, it will not be surprising that you act 'unconvinced' by this though.

    EDIT: Oh, and lets not forget part of that group creating the crisis that caused the unemployment in the first place - and managing to offload such a huge debt burden onto government, that - at the time - it would cripple any existing government ability to alleviate unemployment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭KomradeBishop


    Yes I've given you a ton of examples through actual policy lobbying plus other actions - actions speaking louder than words - showing it in action on the scale of entire industries...

    I'm not going to give you a platform to act perpetually 'unconvinced' though, so feel free to provide a counterargument if you disagree.


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